Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

weldoninhio · 11-02-2014 11:36PM

Smidge wrote: »

Do you think that the DCC or anyone else would give a damn about that statement of fact?
On the other hand, they may take very seriously the threat to break peoples windows with objects

I'm pretty sure DCC won't take anything from this thread as "a statement of fact".

The concerts are happening. Even the local councilor has stated that he thinks they will

"We feel completely abandoned by the agencies of the state. Every objection that the residents have ever put forward has been rejected" - disgruntled resident in Dublin People

"I’ve been on the council for five years and I’ve yet to see an application for an event licence like this being turned down"
and
"I expect the events to be approved" - FG Councillor for North Inner City

Stheno · 11-02-2014 11:40PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

A simple, No, i can't provide an example to back up my hyperbolic statement would have been fine.

There is a running road race in Swords every year that started a couple of years ago.

The first year, FCC forgot to tell residents as much as possible, and people were stuck in there houses including a heavily pregnant woman who had difficultly

Fingal CC responded to the complaints and put measures in place to communicate better (there is even a thread on it in DCN forum with me complaining and then complimenting FCC) leading to less issues and complaints. The roads were completely blocked off.

Far smaller event than 5 concerts in five days, but complaints to local officials had a high impact and led to change.

As a Garth Brooks fan, albeit one without a ticket, I can see both sides, and would come down solidly on the sides of the residents here, I live in North County Dublin and commute through Drumcondra regularly, and even socialise there, I won't dream of either when these concerts are on, so it doesn't just impact local residents. I'll likely end up using the tunnel and paying a lot to do so to avoid the chaos of what should be a normal trip home from work

Smidge · 11-02-2014 11:42PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

I never wrote that.

I never said you did! :rolleyes:

Smidge · 11-02-2014 11:45PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm pretty sure DCC won't take anything from this thread as "a statement of fact".

The concerts are happening. Even the local councilor has stated that he thinks they will

"We feel completely abandoned by the agencies of the state. Every objection that the residents have ever put forward has been rejected" - disgruntled resident in Dublin People

"I’ve been on the council for five years and I’ve yet to see an application for an event licence like this being turned down"
and
"I expect the events to be approved" - FG Councillor for North Inner City

Very important word there!

Jamsiek · 11-02-2014 11:46PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm pretty sure DCC won't take anything from this thread as "a statement of fact".

The concerts are happening. Even the local councilor has stated that he thinks they will

"We feel completely abandoned by the agencies of the state. Every objection that the residents have ever put forward has been rejected" - disgruntled resident in Dublin People

"I’ve been on the council for five years and I’ve yet to see an application for an event licence like this being turned down"
and
"I expect the events to be approved" - FG Councillor for North Inner City

Seems Ireland is just as corrupt as ever then

Pwindedd · 11-02-2014 11:47PM

Seeing as this has descended into name calling, I'm going to bow out now with my dignity intact. Only time is going to tell on this one, will the concerts go ahead ? Who knows, probably. There's bound to be a few incidents, 80000 people x5 consecutive nights, would be a miracle if there wasn't. Just hope no one is either seriously hurt or worse. A Monday night outside Coppers and a girl gets knocked unconscious in a crowd of just a few hundred..anyone who thinks safety is not an issue is seriously misguided.

Rough Sleeper · 11-02-2014 11:49PM

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Concert goers has no control over public transport.

Im just sayin that it will be difficult to be in Dublin for 3 or 4 pm for alot of people.

What do you want them to do? But then its clear you couldn't care less what they do. They paid for a ticket, not you.

Yeah, and it's so unfair that Electric Picnic start the music so early, some of my friends are scheduled to work that day and they might miss some of the acts

I know the majority of people attending Garth Brooks could count on one hand the number of gigs they've been to in the last five years, but this takes the ****ing biscuit . You could make it Croke Park for 3pm if you lived in Paris.

The attitude of some the posters in this thread is disgraceful. Ignorant, childish and full of entitlement. FWIW I think the concerts should go ahead but the total absence of any sort of conciliatory tone is worrying. "Arra I'll just park me tractor outside someone's house for the day, shore it isn't against the law." I wonder how they'd feel if half the population of Dublin descended on their farm/bog/halting site for a 5-day rave?

smileyj1987 · 11-02-2014 11:50PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm pretty sure DCC won't take anything from this thread as "a statement of fact".

The concerts are happening. Even the local councilor has stated that he thinks they will

"We feel completely abandoned by the agencies of the state. Every objection that the residents have ever put forward has been rejected" - disgruntled resident in Dublin People

"I’ve been on the council for five years and I’ve yet to see an application for an event licence like this being turned down"
and
"I expect the events to be approved" - FG Councillor for North Inner City

“We were told when the three U2 concerts happened over four nights in 2009 that it would never happen again"

We can all copy bits out of an article to suit an agenda .

Stheno · 11-02-2014 11:53PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

Yeah, and it's so unfair that Electric Picnic start the music so early, some of my friends are scheduled to work that day and they might miss some of the acts

I know the majority of people attending Garth Brooks could count on one hand the number of gigs they've been to in the last five years, but this takes the ****ing biscuit . You could make it Croke Park for 3pm if you lived in Paris.

The attitude of some the posters in this thread is disgraceful. Ignorant, childish and full of entitlement. FWIW I think the concerts should go ahead but the total absence of any sort of conciliatory tone is worrying. "Arra I'll just park me tractor outside someone's house for the day, shore it isn't against the law." I wonder how they'd feel if half the population of Dublin descended on their farm/bog/halting site for a 5-day rave?

But but, they've waited more than 15 years to see their idol, so that makes it all ok?

That's tongue in cheek I was working in Canada when the tickets went onsale and my poor OH tried to get two but couldn't so hey ho. For Xmas this year he bought me the greatest hits of GB

Regardless, if I'd have gotten tickets, I'd have used public transport and been on the way home in a taxi after to avoid chaos

There is a large part of me that doesn't want to go having to be one or two of 80,000 and the chaos that entails

weldoninhio · 11-02-2014 11:55PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

“We were told when the three U2 concerts happened over four nights in 2009 that it would never happen again"

We can all copy bits out of an article to suit an agenda .

I'd imagine if there was a chance of them being cancelled the councillor would be all over the opportunity to be a local hero. I'd go with what he's saying considering theres an election soon.

smileyj1987 · 11-02-2014 11:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'd imagine if there was a chance of them being cancelled the councillor would be all over the opportunity to be a local hero. I'd go with what he's saying considering theres an election soon.

How do you know he won't use it as part of his ammunition when he goes out on campaign trail . This could also be a case of the people in the area so annoyed at this that they won't back down too .

JRant · 12-02-2014 12:01AM

Why can't some realise that the residents are only looking for very reasonable measures to be implemented?

Things such as;
More port-a-loos inside and around the cordon.
Stricter traffic management in surrounding areas (this would easily be a nice little earner for the traffic corps).
More temporary bins inside and around the cordon.
Move the times of the midweek concerts forward so they are well finished by 10pm.
Garda helicopter to be kept away, there's just no need for it.
Free park and ride for concert goers. Dunboyne has a huge facility that will be sitting empty, it would be ideal if coming from the country and is only 20 mins from CP.

None of these measures would cost much to implement but would greatly enhance the concert goers and residents experience.

The GAA has always prided itself on being community orientated. Nows the time to start acting like it again.

El Guapo! · 12-02-2014 12:06AM

Hard Luck Woman, enough trolling. Don't post in this thread again.

JRant · 12-02-2014 12:08AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'd imagine if there was a chance of them being cancelled the councillor would be all over the opportunity to be a local hero. I'd go with what he's saying considering theres an election soon.

"Hero", really?!

Nobody wins if the concerts are cancelled. If you can't see that then there's not much else to be said.

Zirconia · 12-02-2014 12:10AM

I guess the concert promoters, GAA etc. are "only doing it for the fans"?

I would suggest that due to their original commitment with the local residents, they (GAA, the concert promoters/management and Mr Brooks), should be forced to forfeit all ticket and associated concert revenue for all the concerts after the first three, which should be donated for the betterment of the local residents facilities in the area (but not direct payment to the residents)

I suspect the GAA and Concert parties will not be quite as keen to trample over their original commitment in those circumstances?

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:04AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Yup.

The more idiotic posts they throw out there the better. As stated already this thread is a gold mine for someone thinking of making an effort to get these concerts stopped. Just show some of the replies from the brooks fans to show the how little people care about others.

actually its not, posts on boards won't be taken into acount in relation to the decisian over the concerts

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:13AM

JRant wrote: »

Garda helicopter to be kept away, there's just no need for it

how do you know theirs no need for it? maybe theirs a reason they use it after concerts and other events?

JRant · 12-02-2014 01:16AM

end of the road wrote: »

actually its not, posts on boards won't be taken into acount in relation to the decisian over the concerts

No but a petition signed by a few thousand people may just get their attention. This is exactly why the GAA don't want to go down this road.

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:20AM

Zirconia wrote: »

I would suggest that due to their original commitment with the local residents, they (GAA, the concert promoters/management and Mr Brooks), should be forced to forfeit all ticket and associated concert revenue for all the concerts after the first three, which should be donated for the betterment of the local residents facilities in the area (but not direct payment to the residents)

no, absolutely not, let the residents pay for their own facilities or look for council funding like everywhere else

Zirconia wrote: »

I suspect the GAA and Concert parties will not be quite as keen to trample over their original commitment in those circumstances?

why wouldn't they? any supposed agreement with residents means nothing. why should the GAA or a promotor be forced to forfeit any money they make for some agreement with residents that means nothing and that is rather irrelevant to anything? as i've explained and others have explained, its the planning stipulation that matters which is no more then 3 non-sporting events per year without applying for an events licence, they have applied for the events licence so its up to the council or whoever makes that decisian to decide whether they get it or not

JRant · 12-02-2014 01:21AM

end of the road wrote: »

how do you know theirs no need for it? maybe theirs a reason they use it after concerts and other events?

For what possible reason would you need to hoover in a helicopter over a heavily residential area at midnight?
It's a complete waste of resources and should only be used when needed.

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:23AM

JRant wrote: »

No but a petition signed by a few thousand people may just get their attention. This is exactly why the GAA don't want to go down this road.

it will be taken into consideration but thats it, their will be many other factors that will help with the decisian making, the most likely evidence will be from the guards and other emergancy services, local residents will be down the pecking order more then likely

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:26AM

JRant wrote: »

For what possible reason would you need to hoover in a helicopter over a heavily residential area at midnight?

you could always ask that to the guardai?

JRant wrote: »

It's a complete waste of resources

how do you know? the guardai don't put it in the sky for the laugh as it costs money every time it flies, so i suspect theirs a reason which they will know about unlike you or me

JRant wrote: »

should only be used when needed.

it is

JRant · 12-02-2014 01:27AM

end of the road wrote: »

it will be taken into consideration but thats it, their will be many other factors that will help with the decisian making, the most likely evidence will be from the guards and other emergancy services, local residents will be down the pecking order more then likely

Well AGS and DCC have both agreed that their are issues that need to be addressed in pervious meetings involving all parties.
A strong campaign from the residents would be major pain in the hole for the GAA to have to deal with.

smileyj1987 · 12-02-2014 01:32AM

JRant wrote: »

Well AGS and DCC have both agreed that their are issues that need to be addressed in pervious meetings involving all parties.
A strong campaign from the residents would be major pain in the hole for the GAA to have to deal with.

This is why the GAA and Aiken are sitting down with the residents tomorrow . They know that if they push hard enough they could get a decision their way .

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:33AM

JRant wrote: »

A strong campaign from the residents would be major pain in the hole for the GAA to have to deal with.

not really, they just talk to the guards iron out any issues the guards raise and that will be it

Gran Hermano · 12-02-2014 01:33AM

Approval is granted by DCC. The people giving approval are the same people who will be knocking on the doors of locals around Croke Park looking for their vote in the up coming elections. The councilors and political parties are representing the locals. The people deciding have no loyalties or ties to the people travelling from around the country and going to the concert.

If I was looking for election and counting on the votes of people living around Croke Park there is no way I'd be granting approval.

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:34AM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

This is why the GAA and Aiken are sitting down with the residents tomorrow . They know that if they push hard enough they could get a decision their way .

or its the most likely action of ticking the boxes

JRant · 12-02-2014 01:34AM

end of the road wrote: »

you could always ask that to the guardai?

how do you know? the guardai don't put it in the sky for the laugh as it costs money every time it flies, so i suspect theirs a reason which they will know about unlike you or me

it is

That post is just obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

There is no need for it. It serves no other purpose than to make it look like they're doing something. Seriously, it should be used in serious crime cases or high speed chases. Mind you some may very well argue Garth Brooks music is a serious crime against music but that hardly warrants a garda helicopter presence.

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:37AM

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Approval is granted by DCC. The people giving approval are the same people who will be knocking on the doors of locals around Croke Park looking for their vote in the up coming elections. The councilors and political parties are representing the locals. The people deciding have no loyalties or ties to the people travelling from around the country and going to the concert.

If I was looking for election and counting on the votes of people living around Croke Park there is no way I'd be granting approval.

lots of councilors in DCC, many of which won't be from the area, if those who are not from the area outnumber those from the area then it won't make a difference

end of the road · 12-02-2014 01:41AM

JRant wrote: »

That post is just obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

no it isn't

JRant wrote: »

There is no need for it.

the guardai disagree, its not up there for the laugh

JRant wrote: »

It serves no other purpose than to make it look like they're doing something.

obviously it does serve a purpose or it wouldn't be up there

JRant wrote: »

Seriously, it should be used in serious crime cases or high speed chases.

it is.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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