Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

PopePalpatine · 08-02-2014 02:03AM

No

iwantmydinner wrote: »

The grammar and syntax skills on display lead me to very seriously question the presence of a certain PhD wot is claimed.

His PhD could have been in theology, or from some bizarre ultramontane university.

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 02:03AM

No

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Dont be ridiculous grammer has nothin to do with PhD!!!!1!!!one!!1

Indeed.

It's all about the footnotes in my experience.

Corkfeen · 08-02-2014 02:04AM

No

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Indeed.

It's all about the footnotes in my experience.

Indeed,backtracing footnotes got me through college.

efb · 08-02-2014 02:14AM

No

Delighted with All the contributions so far

JackF1 · 08-02-2014 02:21AM

No

Preserving the institution of marriage. Another divorce referendum so?

J_E · 08-02-2014 02:25AM

No

JackF1 wrote: »

Preserving the institution of marriage. Another divorce referendum so?

People conveniently forget that divorce goes against the institution of marriage when they argue about marriage equality. It's yet another indication that what we consider marriage, changes over time, adapts for the better. It's the same with many things that would have been a hot topic in Ireland but are now taken for granted without second thought, stuff like secularism, contraception, women's freedom, divorce, homosexuality. Funny John Waters would wattle on about how sacred marriage is considering his own history!

JackF1 · 08-02-2014 02:29AM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

People conveniently forget that divorce goes against the institution of marriage when they argue about marriage equality. It's yet another indication that what we consider marriage, changes over time, adapts for the better. It's the same with many things that would have been a hot topic in Ireland but are now taken for granted without second thought, stuff like secularism, contraception, women's freedom, divorce, homosexuality. Funny John Waters would wattle on about how sacred marriage is considering his own history!

Ah in fairness the two of them wouldn't of been good for the child together I'm sure she's just fine with them separated.

alaimacerc · 08-02-2014 06:04AM

Google just auto-suggested "john waters make divorce illegal" to me... But it's the other JW, as it turns out.

Zubeneschamali · 08-02-2014 10:23AM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

I am just a regular Joe!

I find it surprising that so many regular Joes (even Joes with PhDs) are so fascinated by bum sex.

There, I said it: Bum sex!

That's what you're really talking about, Dr. Joe, right? Not children and mothers, it's all about willies and bum-holes.

Come on, admit it! You'll feel better, and can start the long road to learning to mind your own damned business.

eyescreamcone · 08-02-2014 10:46AM

No

Vote YES to same sex divorce
It's the future!
;-)

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 11:01AM

No

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Vote YES to same sex divorce
It's the future!
;-)

Told SonofMine to do law and specialise in Gay divorce. Did he listen? Did he 'Uck. :mad:

dirkmeister · 08-02-2014 11:22AM

JackF1 wrote: »

Another divorce referendum so?

Hopefully not,he's a terrible horse.

Annasopra · 08-02-2014 11:25AM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Nope but someone thought I was some kind of ultra right wing urban dweller when I am far from that so was just setting them right. As a fellow culchie you should know it would be quite hard to believe that Seamus and Bridie down the road are going to go putting up Mr. Panti posters and they represent the majority of active voters and political party activists in FF/FG and to a lesser extent in Labour. This referendum is exactly like the Seanad referendum skewed polls over estimated support with no basis in fact and is dead in the water but the SSM lobby don't even realise it.

Hilarious - there is by the way loads of Seamus and Bridies down the boreen with gay children

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 11:29AM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

Hilarious - there is by the way loads of Seamus and Bridies down the boreen with gay children

He has obviously never been to West Cork.

Annasopra · 08-02-2014 11:32AM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Ya well I ain't no Maud Flanders but is it so left of field to maybe suggest man woman father mother figure is preferable than man man woman woman?

Is it so un PC to suggest such a crazy concept or raise concerns about this. The SSM lobby is not remotely concerned about how this experiment might impact on large numbers of children rather they are worried about having the right where no right natural or otherwise exists just it seems to stick it to those nasty straight people.

30 years of extensive research has shown no ill effects on children

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/131/4/e1374.short

But hey keep banging the drum. Maybe Seamus and Bridie will come down and take the drumsticks away from you.

El Weirdo · 08-02-2014 11:45AM

No

Bridie and Seamus are probably too busy making rainbow flags.

I live in a tiny village in the west of Ireland. A couple of years ago we had a pride march. I can't ever remember even having a St Patrick's day parade in the village.

Annasopra · 08-02-2014 11:48AM

No

El Weirdo wrote: »

Bridie and Seamus are probably too busy making rainbow flags.

I live in a tiny village in the west of Ireland. A couple of years ago we had a pride march. I can't ever remember even having a St Patrick's day parade in the village.

I know. I mean the idea that every Bridie and Seamus down the country are very socially conservative and against equal marriage is quite a fallacy

J_E · 08-02-2014 12:14PM

No

If anything, it's the smaller villages who end up being more accepting of diversity because they usually know the people involved. My friend was unfairly outed by a bitter old woman in a notable southwest seaside village who wanted to ruin his reputation and she ended up getting shunned by the village for it, they were shocked at first but he came back with his partner and everyone got on brilliantly.

If anything, it's the rural community who, after they get over their prejudices, accept diversity very well.

I got a sneak preview of Breda O Brien's latest article, it's being posted up in an hour. Predictable drivel about dictionary terms and shutting down debate. I really expected something more interesting from her this time.

mickstupp · 08-02-2014 12:21PM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

I got a sneak preview of Breda O Brien's latest article, it's being posted up in an hour. Predictable drivel about dictionary terms and shutting down debate. I really expected something more interesting from her this time.

Did you really? Like really really?

Your optimism, I wish I had it.

J_E · 08-02-2014 12:22PM

No

mickstupp wrote: »

Did you really? Like really really?
Your optimism, I wish I had it.

To be honest she's an intelligent woman who has brought forth compelling arguments before re: State and education. It's completely clouded and overshadowed by the organisation she supports though. She's practically forced to have the same stance on certain issues and use the same preset phrases.

mickstupp · 08-02-2014 12:25PM

No

Well that's a pity then, because the current furor is really doing her credibility no good. I'd never heard of her before this business, presumably there are plenty of others in the same position. Now I hear her name and straight away think: ignorance.

J_E · 08-02-2014 12:27PM

No

mickstupp wrote: »

Well that's a pity then, because the current furor is really doing her credibility no good. I'd never heard of her before this business, presumably there are plenty of others in the same position. Now I hear her name and straight away think: ignorance.

Oh believe me, some of us have made that connection between her and that word for many years now

I remember a friend of mine scored a job with Irish Times and all I could have thought was "you'll have to work with her?"

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 12:38PM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

If anything, it's the smaller villages who end up being more accepting of diversity because they usually know the people involved. My friend was unfairly outed by a bitter old woman in a notable southwest seaside village who wanted to ruin his reputation and she ended up getting shunned by the village for it, they were shocked at first but he came back with his partner and everyone got on brilliantly.

If anything, it's the rural community who, after they get over their prejudices, accept diversity very well.

I recall that the principle of the local primary school in a Gaeltacht town came out in a national newspaper as part of the setting up of the INTO LGBT thingy and was widely supported by the local community and you can't get more culchi than a small town in the Gaeltacht.

Happyman42 · 08-02-2014 12:48PM

No

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I recall that the principle of the local primary school in a Gaeltacht town came out in a national newspaper as part of the setting up of the INTO LGBT thingy and was widely supported by the local community and you can't get more culchi than a small town in the Gaeltacht.

It's something that is never reflected on in our 'national media'. Irish people are generally very accepting of honest ways of life on a one to one basis, I have always found.
As we unyoke from the influence of the state and religious thought police you will see more and more able to express that in their public comment and voting preferences.

Taco Chips · 08-02-2014 12:59PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

They were defamed end of story there. If they weren't why didn't RTE drag them through the courts they didn't since they knew they didn't have a leg to stand on. Just because you keep repeating that SSM should happen doesn't make it true either so.

Defamed? There is a litany of journal articles, "opinion" pieces and the like published by them and their ilk spouting homophobic rubbish. It's not defamation if it's true. Are you trying to deny that Waters et al haven't had an anti-equality agenda for years now? If they don't want to be called homophobic then maybe they should, I dunno stop behaving like homophobes?

cletus van damme · 08-02-2014 01:09PM

mango salsa wrote: »

30 years of extensive research has shown no ill effects on children

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/131/4/e1374.short

But hey keep banging the drum. Maybe Seamus and Bridie will come down and take the drumsticks away from you.

you say no ill effects which I'll accept but that doesn't mean it's not more benefical to be raised by a man and women.

That said if a child is in an orphanage - get them to a good home is my view.

J_E · 08-02-2014 01:12PM

No

cletus van damme wrote: »

you say no ill effects which I'll accept but that doesn't mean it's not more benefical to be raised by a man and women.

That said if a child is in an orphanage - get them to a good home is my view.

To be honest, I think if a child has any two loving parents, they'll usually turn out just fine. That's all a child really needs at the end of the day - love. Love doesn't discriminate by gender.

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 01:19PM

No

cletus van damme wrote: »

you say no ill effects which I'll accept but that doesn't mean it's not more benefical to be raised by a man and women.

That said if a child is in an orphanage - get them to a good home is my view.

Why exactly is it more beneficial?

I keep reading about beneficial and 'better' yet when I ask for details all I get is silence...

Funny that.

Friend Computer · 08-02-2014 01:19PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

you say no ill effects which I'll accept but that doesn't mean it's not more benefical to be raised by a man and women.

Do you realise you just contradicted yourself there? If there are no ill effects then by definition there can't be a more beneficial alternative; they are equal, because one lacking something the other has would itself be an ill effect.

So yes, it does mean it's not more beneficial to be raised by a heterosexual couple.

Benny_Cake · 08-02-2014 01:29PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

To be honest she's an intelligent woman who has brought forth compelling arguments before re: State and education. It's completely clouded and overshadowed by the organisation she supports though. She's practically forced to have the same stance on certain issues and use the same preset phrases.

I've always been surprised by her lining up with the rest of the Iona Institute, her opinion pieces on social justice and poverty are quite good and her views on those issues would be almost the complete opposite of those held by David Quinn, for example. On topics unrelated to SSM she is quite sensible.

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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