Iona vs Panti

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 04:06PM

Dades wrote: »

And JW's solicitor should get one too if he thinks his client was popular on the Internet prior to this debacle.

He even has his own *fan* thread here.

Was he googling the director?

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 04:28PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Was he googling the director?

That could be it...
Search 'The REAL John Waters'
Search 'The OTHER John Waters'

hmmmmmmmm.....

Brian Shanahan · 07-02-2014 04:34PM

Jernal wrote: »

That sounds like a euphemism for

a Santorum?

Brian Shanahan · 07-02-2014 04:36PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Had never heard of Panti/Rory O'Neill until I heard him being interviewed by
Aoibheann Ní Shúilleabháin on her Sunday programme during the summer.
She was filling in for Miriam O'Callaghan. Was wondering about her choice
of someone so 'unknown' for her first programme. When I heard on the
SNS that he was from Ballinrobe, it kind of made sense, as Aoibheann hails
from that part of the country.

This controversy has certainly done his career no harm. Quite the opposite.

Don't like the guy. Am not homophobic. I do not like John Waters either!!

So what was the point of your post?

It just went "waffle, waffle, waffle, don't like Rory, don't like Jawn".

I just don't see how it further's the debate.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 04:37PM

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

So what was the point of your post?

It just went "waffle, waffle, waffle, don't like Rory, don't like Jawn".

I just don't see how it further's the debate.

The Mayo Agenda?

oscarBravo · 07-02-2014 04:44PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The Mayo Agenda?

Careful now.

Nodin · 07-02-2014 04:58PM

The bould Rory is on CH4 at 7.30 or so tonight.....

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/07/staying-in-3/

Nodin · 07-02-2014 05:01PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Someone needs to give RTE a lesson in Google if they couldn't find John Waters saying anything homophobic in the course of a two day search.

...I didn't know they were using jobbridge to let the monkeys get some out and about time from the Zoo....

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 05:03PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The Mayo Agenda?

Did my PhD on 16th C Mayo so I too could be part of the Great Mayo Lobby.

Nodin · 07-02-2014 05:04PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Did my PhD on 16th C Mayo so I too could be part of the Great Mayo Lobby.

In the 16th Century, when the leading lord in Mayo did well, did they get a load of sports funding all of a sudden as well?

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 05:11PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Did my PhD on 16th C Mayo so I too could be part of the Great Mayo Lobby.

Writing PhD about Mayo, I both respect you immensely and sympathise. :P

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 05:11PM

Nodin wrote: »

In the 16th Century, when the leading lord in Mayo did well, did they get a load of sports funding all of a sudden as well?

Nope.

But they did manage to hold out against Anglicisation longer than any one else.

pauldla · 07-02-2014 05:21PM

Dades wrote: »

...

He even has his own *fan* thread here.

And I really, really hopes he reads it. Really.

aloyisious · 07-02-2014 05:27PM

I'm still puzzled as to how JW undervalued his good name, proposing €15,000 and an apology of his own wording, getting a counter offer from RTE for €40,000 and a broadcast apology spoken by the presenter responsible for eliciting the guest-reply that ignited the matter. T'is gas how things are worked out here. As a licence-payer, I'm glad that he seem's to have disagreed with his legal advisor on the matter, maybe he knew the value of free publicity and didn't want to spoil it

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 10:39PM

David Norris on the Late Late now talking about people getting their Panti in a twist. No mention of an Iona presence so unless they have their usual mole in the audience will more letters fly RTE's way?

Turtwig · 07-02-2014 10:40PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

David Norris on the Late Late now talking about people getting their Panti in a twist. No mention of an Iona presence so unless they have their usual mole in the audience will more letters fly RTE's way?

You watch the late late show? :eek: Your level of cool just dropped drastically.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 10:56PM

Jernal wrote: »

You watch the late late show? :eek: Your level of cool just dropped drastically.

It was on when I came back down stairs after having Lila Pirate read to me by Hermoine. Cracking Story. I was handed a warm choccy pudding by my partner in a lesser relationship so feck finding the remote like.

I am also addicted to PantiGate

mcmoustache · 07-02-2014 11:03PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I am also addicted to PantiGate

Me too but I don't want to watch the LLS. Is Norris on now?

vitani · 07-02-2014 11:04PM

David Norris is a legend. 'Can I use the word fat or will you have to give the pigeons €85k?'

Very honest about some of the homophobia he's been subjected to, and his reasons for not talking about it before. And *loved* him reading the 'gay marriage is a satire' quote out. I'd say a certain Mr Waters is tearing his hair out right now.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 11:04PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Me too but I don't want to watch the LLS. Is Norris on now?

He's gone.

You missed little to nothing.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 11:06PM

vitani wrote: »

David Norris is a legend. 'Can I use the word fat or will you have to give the pigeons €85k?'

Very honest about some of the homophobia he's been subjected to, and his reasons for not talking about it before. And *loved* him reading the 'gay marriage is a satire' quote out. I'd say a certain Mr Waters is tearing his hair out right now.

Yes, he did - I think I utterly failed to get past my eek it's the LLS apathy...:o

mcmoustache · 07-02-2014 11:28PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

He's gone.

You missed little to nothing.

Ah OK. At least I don't have to leave my seat. I'll check youtube later.

I'm finding this fascinating. All of this snowballed from Rory basically explaining what homophobia is on TV to a national debate on gay rights and the spotlight on Iona and RTE's easy payout. In the middle was Panti's speech which is still making its way around the world. The amount of support has been amazing.

It feels like this is the beginning of something.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 11:39PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Ah OK. At least I don't have to leave my seat. I'll check youtube later.

I'm finding this fascinating. All of this snowballed from Rory basically explaining what homophobia is on TV to a national debate on gay rights and the spotlight on Iona and RTE's easy payout. In the middle was Panti's speech which is still making its way around the world. The amount of support has been amazing.

It feels like this is the beginning of something.

It really does feel like the start of something doesn't it.

I haven't felt this energised since Stop The Clause in the 80s.

My hope is we are getting the message out that homophobia is not just torture, State sanctioned violence and murder or beatings by random bigots.

It is also the death of self worth by a thousand cuts delivered over years that causes our lives to slowly drip away and makes us feel lesser inside our own heads.

It is sly. It is sneaky. It has a veneer of respectability but it is insidious and it surrounds us every second of every day hiding in plain sight.

mcmoustache · 08-02-2014 12:13AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It really does feel like the start of something doesn't it.

I haven't felt this energised since Stop The Clause in the 80s.

My hope is we are getting the message out that homophobia is not just torture, State sanctioned violence and murder or beatings by random bigots.

It is also the death of self worth by a thousand cuts delivered over years that causes our lives to slowly drip away and makes us feel lesser inside our own heads.

It is sly. It is sneaky. It has a veneer of respectability but it is insidious and it surrounds us every second of every day hiding in plain sight.

This is what Panti's speech captured so well. It's loads of little thing every day telling gay people that they are abnormal. She* put it in really simple terms that anyone could understand. Best of all, anyone who has ever been picked on for anything - which is pretty much everyone - could identify with that speech. I think it managed to make acceptance of homosexuality an issue that affects us all.

*I'm going with "he" for Rory and "she" for Panti in case there's any confusion.

robindch · 08-02-2014 12:56AM

Matt Frei interviews Panti. BTW, what the hell is Matt Frei doing on Channel 4?

Panti: You are perfectly free to call me anything under the sun. I will not be running to my solicitor’s skirts and, you know, trying to shut you up.

http://www.thejournal.ie/panti-channel-4-1305825-Feb2014/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K7GXzyJchE

...and more about the controversy on the Beeb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7XnYrMIqSw

rughdh · 08-02-2014 01:22AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It really does feel like the start of something doesn't it.

I haven't felt this energised since Stop The Clause in the 80s.

My hope is we are getting the message out that homophobia is not just torture, State sanctioned violence and murder or beatings by random bigots.

It is also the death of self worth by a thousand cuts delivered over years that causes our lives to slowly drip away and makes us feel lesser inside our own heads.

It is sly. It is sneaky. It has a veneer of respectability but it is insidious and it surrounds us every second of every day hiding in plain sight.

All oppression is emotionally abusive, which is torture. Violence doesn't have to be physical and in this case it's clearly state sanctioned. Emotional abuse is the hidden abuse and turns physical eventually as the body shuts down due to the stress of it.

Being into electronic music in the 80s meant that there was no escaping being very much aware of the oppression that the likes of Bronski Beat and others wrote about. It was very difficult to be anti-gay when you were enjoying the music, identifying with the oppression in a general way and the only thing you didn't have in common was your sexual orientation.

pauldla · 08-02-2014 01:56AM

rughdh wrote: »

All oppression is emotionally abusive, which is torture. Violence doesn't have to be physical and in this case it's clearly state sanctioned. Emotional abuse is the hidden abuse and turns physical eventually as the body shuts down due to the stress of it.

Being into electronic music in the 80s meant that there was no escaping being very much aware of the oppression that the likes of Bronski Beat and others wrote about. It was very difficult to be anti-gay when you were enjoying the music, identifying with the oppression in a general way and the only thing you didn't have in common was your sexual orientation.

Sorry to go off topic, but did you see the clip of Jimmy Somerville and a busker doing Smalltown Boy?

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 02:00AM

pauldla wrote: »

Sorry to go off topic, but did you see the clip of Jimmy Somerville and a busker doing Smalltown Boy?

No.

Linky please.

I once dirty danced with Jimmy.

We were both Veh drunk (and young...oh so very young...) at the time.

rughdh · 08-02-2014 02:06AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

No.

Linky please.

I once dirty danced with Jimmy.

We were both Veh drunk (and young...oh so very young...) at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_DWWE3cjgg

pauldla · 08-02-2014 02:21AM

rughdh wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_DWWE3cjgg

That's the one, thanks! Jimmy seems like a dote and I like his wee dog.

Iona vs Panti

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