Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Santa Cruz · 07-02-2014 06:10PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Try refurbishing a house in the area and get deliveries made.
There are a lot of family owned pubs in the area not part of chains. You are right the money doesn't stay in the local area or benefit the local people who actually put up with the disruption.

So there are no locals employed in the local pubs, shops, restaurants, No locals selling souveneirs. No local with the ability to make any money from having 80000 people come in to the area.
Are they all on social welfare or what?

Ray Palmer · 07-02-2014 06:29PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

So there are no locals employed in the local pubs, shops, restaurants, No locals selling souveneirs. No local with the ability to make any money from having 80000 people come in to the area.
Are they all on social welfare or what?

A very minimum amount of locals to the area work in the shops, pubs etc... in the same way most people working in the city don't live in the city centre. The people selling souvenirs are very organised and go to all such events and are not local people. They would also be pretty aggressive if you started selling on what they see as their patch.

They aren't on social welfare they work other jobs like everybody else. Do you live right beside where you work? Most people don't. You will also find you can't just start selling things from your house legally so what exactly to you expect an IT manager to do to make extra money because his area is crowded by Garth Brooks fans? A teacher? Vet? Doctor? All people I know who live around there.

You would be hard pressed to own a house there and work as a barman or in a shop.

RiverOfLove · 07-02-2014 06:30PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

Clondiff road and Jones road always seem to have dog crap all over them. It would be great if the residents would clean up aftwr their dogs.

And dirty neck of them to turn around blame concert goers and those attending sporting events.
They're probably all going around ****ting and pissing on each other up there.

****ting and pissing in public is against the law. Large events has a high number of gardai present, all around.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 06:30PM

stinkle wrote: »

if the residents roll over now then they'll be screwed the next time.

well roll over they hopefully will as the promotors will get the best lawyers they can afford and cripple the residents with the costs hopefully

RiverOfLove · 07-02-2014 06:33PM

A certain scumbag from drumcondra had no problem down here coming down here to the west and setting up tent at the ballybrit galway races and taking their helicopters with them. Did the people of ballybrit piss on their parades?

miss no stars · 07-02-2014 06:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

well roll over they hopefully will as the promotors will get the best lawyers they can afford and cripple the residents with the costs hopefully

You seem to have some personal vendetta against people living in a residential area beside Croke Park. Why is this? What did they do to you?

Ghost Buster · 07-02-2014 06:38PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

But surely people knew what to expect when buying their homes?

I don't know, it's a hard one to call.

Ever hear the one about the American tourist who couldn't understand why Bunratty castle was built so close to the road?
Croke Park used to be in suburbia, was quite a bit smaller, held bugger all concerts and many of the houses are and have been inhabited by the same families almost as long.
A concert is a major inconvenience and one hardly ever hears a complaint but this is 5 nights on the trot.
I have some sympathy. I live on a rural back road. The type with grass up the middle. Once a year a motor rally (legally) uses this road. What this means is that from 8am til about 4pm you cannot use the roads. If you need to be else where you either get out before 7.30 and stay out or you just don't bother. Im assuming residents there tolerate similar along with the noise, drunks, illegal parking, gardens being pissed in etc.

Ghost Buster · 07-02-2014 06:40PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I should point out I am not unsympathetic to the residents nor am I trying to be nasty or cynical.

I just think asking for an outright ban is a little extreme.

If not an outright ban then what? Ask him to turn it down and limit the crowd to 100 and the set to 30 minutes?

end of the road · 07-02-2014 06:40PM

miss no stars wrote: »

It's attitudes like yours that make residents come out looking for the gigs to be cancelled.

no its not, its just them looking to see what they can get out of this thats all.

miss no stars wrote: »

Yeah, they live by a stadium. Many of them live in houses that have been in the family for decades and didn't move in next to Croke Park as it is now with sell out concerts 5 nights in a row.

so? its a large venue which should be used to its full potential

miss no stars wrote: »

They DO have an agreement with the GAA for 3 concerts a year.

thats very little, to little, the venue should be used to its full potential as much as possible

miss no stars wrote: »

They didn't get upset when they added 2 more Garth Brooks concerts. Or even a third.

i don't believe that.

miss no stars wrote: »

It was the 5th in a row that got to them.

5 is only 2 more then 3

miss no stars wrote: »

I can understand residents being upset. As you said, it's perfectly easy for people to get there by public transport. Park and ride should be simple - the GAA has plenty of pitches that could be used for parking and having a shuttle bus too and from. They could employ lots of extra security to make sure that local people don't have their letter boxes pissed into, don't have litter dropped everywhere, that people do keep moving and that only residents park in the residents areas during the concerts.

the residents could also pay for this if their bothered enough

miss no stars wrote: »

Maybe if the GAA weren't consistently giving the residents the two fingered salute during events there wouldn't be this issue.

of course their would, where the possibility of compensation is involved people will make an issue over something

miss no stars wrote: »

Which is what you're doing by the way. Feck them anyway, I want to have my fun. Your attitude does no favours for having concerts there.

thats nonsense, peoples attitudes have nothing to do with this, only in your world.

miss no stars wrote: »

Ya know how this can be fixed? People waking up and realising that yea, there is a problem here. It needs to be addressed. How do we address it?

no problem, an 80000 seeter stadium being used to its full potential is a good thing, it will bring much needed funds into the local economy which is a good thing

07-02-2014 06:41PM

The whole of Galway city is taken over for 7 days and nights in a row every year for the races and everyone manages just fine, and the ones that do complain are ignored or told where to go.

LOSTfan57 · 07-02-2014 06:45PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

The whole of Galway city is taken over for 7 days and nights in a row every year for the races and everyone manages just fine, and the ones that do complain are ignored or told where to go.

As these moaners should be too

Ghost Buster · 07-02-2014 06:45PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

The whole of Galway city is taken over for 7 days and nights in a row every year for the races and everyone manages just fine, and the ones that do complain are ignored or told where to go.

A city centre is different to a residential area.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 06:46PM

miss no stars wrote: »

It's not down to €€€€€€

i bet you it is

miss no stars wrote: »

it's because of people being entirely dismissive of (and ignorant to) the residents trying to LIVE there while everyone else has their fun.

yeah, right, a good reason to spend money or force tax payers to spend money on lawyers just because "people are dismissive of (and ignorant to) the residents trying to LIVE there while everyone else has their fun" ambulance chasers is all they are as far as i'm concerned

smileyj1987 · 07-02-2014 06:51PM

end of the road wrote: »

i bet you it is

yeah, right, a good reason to spend money or force tax payers to spend money on lawyers just because "people are dismissive of (and ignorant to) the residents trying to LIVE there while everyone else has their fun" ambulance chasers is all they are as far as i'm concerned

I tell you what how about we throw a loud party outside your home . Get locked and throw up and piss all your property and see how you feel when we are done .

end of the road · 07-02-2014 06:55PM

Big Steve wrote: »

I totally agree with this more than anything else in the thread. They need to stand together. Especially now in this climate, people can't just up sticks and move at the drop of a hat.

no, they need to stop whining

Big Steve wrote: »

I'm not sure if I am correct in saying this (maybe someone living locally can correct me) but I worked in Croker about 5-6 year ago and from what I remember every address get put in a lotto and then they win 2 measley tickets for a house of maybe 4 or 5 etc. Wow 2 tickets for people that may have 2 or 3 kids what a gesture.

its enough tickets cost money to print and the GAA and others can't afford to lose money by giving away free tickets in this current climate

Big Steve wrote: »

There needs to be a limit on it and/or a stricter curfew on the noise. I know it sounds mad but 10:00pm or 10:30pm for a gig to be over means people are not totally gone till at least 11:00pm - 11:30pm somewhere like Croker that makes a big difference when people are trying to sleep or put kids to bed.

no their doesn't, you live in such an area noise happens, get on with it, infact maybe these people should have thought about whether bringing kids up in such an area was a good idea

Big Steve wrote: »

I'm sure it can be worked out that it can be beneficial to both the residents and the G.A.A. etc.

no, and i hope its not, their doesn't need to be anything worked out to be beneficial in any way to the residents as they knew what they were getting themselves in to, the amount of people living there since before the 60s or even slightly after is probably in the minority now at this stage, i suspect most have moved in in the last 25 years at least

RiverOfLove · 07-02-2014 06:59PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

The whole of Galway city is taken over for 7 days and nights in a row every year for the races and everyone manages just fine, and the ones that do complain are ignored or told where to go.

During the summer months many Irish students come about to the Gaelacht villages. Every sunday their parents and families would be down visiting. Places gets fully packed - shops, local bars and restaurants. If its a hot day, the beaches are packed cars all over the place.

Every sunday your home village is not your own. My like going to my local drinking and establishment regularly, but sundays during the summer, i can't go there. Other locals too. Our village is not our own during these times.

Santa Cruz · 07-02-2014 06:59PM

end of the road wrote: »

i bet you it is

yeah, right, a good reason to spend money or force tax payers to spend money on lawyers just because "people are dismissive of (and ignorant to) the residents trying to LIVE there while everyone else has their fun" ambulance chasers is all they are as far as i'm concerned

Don't any of the residents ever go to these concerts or are they all stuck in the mud whingers?

end of the road · 07-02-2014 06:59PM

Psychobabble wrote: »

Just another point of clarification; this discussion that has been going on regarding long-term residents and more recent buyers in the area is totally moot. Anyone who bought near Croke Park more recently would have perused the planning permissions for Croke Park, which stipulate 3 events per year, there is no proviso for the proposed 5 extra (even excluding the American football) events this year. So no, residents who bought more recently did so in the expectation that the law would be adhered to. If a stand isn't made now, what's to prevent Croke Park and concert promoters putting on as many concerts as they want each year. This is the reason civil society has such agreements as planning laws, to balance the needs of groups within society.

they moved in to an area near an 80000 seeter stadium, they can make a stand all they like but i and many others have no sympathy for them, just because only 3 concerts are held a year doesn't mean those who have moved in to the area in the last 15 or more years have any right to complain when they knew they were living near or beside a large venue, Croke Park and concert promoters should be able to put on as many concerts as they want, its a large venue that isn't being used to its full potential like it should

Spanish Eyes · 07-02-2014 07:02PM

miss no stars wrote: »

Here's the thing.

Croke Park, when it was first opened, was right at the edge of the city. Even as recently as the 70s the limit of the city was the bishop's palace. Fans going to matches didn't mean 80,000 people being in an area that's right in the centre of the city. They also didn't drive and block off access to people's homes.

When the GAA were deciding what to do with Croker, they could have moved their main stadium to somewhere on the periphery with a big feck off car park and buses on match days. They decided, instead, to develop a bigger stadium in what is now a much more inner city area with far more population density and knowing full well that attendees would drive and park in the area, but made no remediation for the parking issue. They did this against the residents' objections, but promised proper crowd control and event management and all sorts of things that they just do not come through on. They said they would limit the number of non-sporting events to 3 per year.

They've basically shat all over the people of the area and people on here think that the residents are just trying to make a quick buck and have no real complaint? The mind boggles. Ballybough and Drumcondra do not belong to the GAA. They can't just do as they please.

But for the record, I don't want the concerts cancelled, I'd rather they go ahead and proper management put in place for the events and to have them sit down with the residents and work out a binding longer term plan.

That would have been because a certain Bertie AYhern gave the Ga loadsa dosh one time,(3million I think grant WTF) and probably put Croker staying in his constituency as the price... Fecker he is, was.

Really, why don't the GAA and Aiken make some sort of gesture to the residents. Say, those who are members of a residents association, and are clearly impacted by this..and give them a few bob compo every time there is a concert.

Jeez ehen you think of the millions both the GA and the Aiken or whoever are making out of this, it would be great PR to do something.

But no....just give me the moola, and feck everyone else.

The GA and the promoters should close off all streets for parking (with the nod from the Gordie), they should monitor this in the interests of the residents, they should clean up before and after..

It's a two way street.

Seems to me that they could give a flying F?ck about anything or anyone except their profits.

And I dont blame the residents one bit.

Give the residents a piece of the action, patrol the place, sort out parking, keep drunken pissing in your garden types out and so on.

All people want is fair play I think. And who could blame them.

LOSTfan57 · 07-02-2014 07:05PM

Give them free season tickets to GAA or free concert tickets they'll be amazingly silenced I'm sure.

Santa Cruz · 07-02-2014 07:08PM

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

Give them free season tickets to GAA or free concert tickets they'll be amazingly silenced I'm sure.

That wouldn't do for those kill joys

cson · 07-02-2014 07:08PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Don't any of the residents ever go to these concerts or are they all stuck in the mud whingers?

I've lived in the Croker residents 'zone' for 3 years at this stage; policy is you sign up to the residents list with Croke Park and you get entered into a draw for (presumably free but I'm not sure) tickets for the Concerts. You get entered into a draw to win the right to buy tickets for the All Ireland Finals. So **** all for free really. We haven't gotten anything in my time, nor have any of my friends who've lived in the area for the same period. So I'd imagine the 'draw' suits the powers that be on the vocal Residents Association or else you might get a few thrown your way if you make enough noise to quieten you.

To be honest; outside of the Semi Finals and the Final the GAA games are grand. The Dubs matches aren't great but then the Dubs are familiar with the City and get around without causing too much hassle.

The concerts are a ****ing nightmare plain and simple. Soundchecks in the morning; its difficult to get down Clonliffe Road with the crowds, the eager stewards will stop you if you don't have a ticket and generally it ****s up your day. You really have to plan around it which is annoying. Brooks being on during the week when some of us are going to be working will be ****e plain and simple. Forget about driving too for any of the concert days.

So while I don't necessarily agree with the injunction; I do think we deserve something for putting up with a combined week of Garth Brooks and One Direction.

I mean come on; how many of you will be forced to listen to One Direction sound checking outside your window? :eek:

LOSTfan57 · 07-02-2014 07:10PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

That wouldn't do for those kill joys

True. They get pleasure from moaning and nothing else :P

LOSTfan57 · 07-02-2014 07:12PM

cson wrote: »

I've lived in the Croker residents 'zone' for 3 years at this stage; policy is you sign up to the residents list with Croke Park and you get entered into a draw for (presumably free but I'm not sure) tickets for the Concerts. You get entered into a draw to win the right to buy tickets for the All Ireland Finals. So **** all for free really. We haven't gotten anything in my time, nor have any of my friends who've lived in the area for the same period. So I'd imagine the 'draw' suits the powers that be on the vocal Residents Association or else you might get a few thrown your way if you make enough noise to quieten you.

To be honest; outside of the Semi Finals and the Final the GAA games are grand. The Dubs matches aren't great but then the Dubs are familiar with the City and get around without causing too much hassle.

The concerts are a ****ing nightmare plain and simple. Soundchecks in the morning; its difficult to get down Clonliffe Road with the crowds, the eager stewards will stop you if you don't have a ticket and generally it ****s up your day. You really have to plan around it which is annoying. Brooks being on during the week when some of us are going to be working will be ****e plain and simple. Forget about driving too for any of the concert days.

So while I don't necessarily agree with the injunction; I do think we deserve something for putting up with a combined week of Garth Brooks and One Direction.

I mean come on; how many of you will be forced to listen to One Direction sound checking outside your window? :eek:

Ok 1D would make me feel like getting a shotgun or something haha thats a horrifying thought tbh

RiverOfLove · 07-02-2014 07:15PM

cson wrote: »

I've lived in the Croker residents 'zone' for 3 years at this stage; policy is you sign up to the residents list with Croke Park and you get entered into a draw for (presumably free but I'm not sure) tickets for the Concerts. You get entered into a draw to win the right to buy tickets for the All Ireland Finals. So **** all for free really. We haven't gotten anything in my time, nor have any of my friends who've lived in the area for the same period. So I'd imagine the 'draw' suits the powers that be on the vocal Residents Association or else you might get a few thrown your way if you make enough noise to quieten you.

To be honest; outside of the Semi Finals and the Final the GAA games are grand. The Dubs matches aren't great but then the Dubs are familiar with the City and get around without causing too much hassle.

The concerts are a ****ing nightmare plain and simple. Soundchecks in the morning; its difficult to get down Clonliffe Road with the crowds, the eager stewards will stop you if you don't have a ticket and generally it ****s up your day. You really have to plan around it which is annoying. Brooks being on during the week when some of us are going to be working will be ****e plain and simple. Forget about driving too for any of the concert days.

So while I don't necessarily agree with the injunction; I do think we deserve something for putting up with a combined week of Garth Brooks and One Direction.

I mean come on; how many of you will be forced to listen to One Direction sound checking outside your window? :eek:

All would be ok if it was 3 and 5 nights of musical acts that you like though, wouldn't it?

cson · 07-02-2014 07:15PM

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

Ok 1D would make me feel like getting a shotgun or something haha thats a horrifying thought tbh

Here; we already had to deal with Westlife!

Not a happy Saturday morning for me listening to Kian Egan soundchecking backing vocals and I hungover to shite.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 07:16PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Then they also expanded Croke Park against the objection of the residents

no, they were given planning permission by the council to do so, obviously the residents objections were found to be nonsense hense the expansian was allowed

Ray Palmer wrote: »

the residents do have a pretty decent reason to complain.

they don't

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Croke Park should never have been allowed to expand and grounds made into residential property.

agree, but it was, so now people will just have to live with it and the consiquences of that happening

cson · 07-02-2014 07:16PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

All would be ok if it was 3 and 5 nights of musical acts that you like though, would it?

I make the 1D/Brooks point in jest.

Disruption is disruption regardless of what's on the label.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 07:28PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

really?? How about 50 concerts every year then? Would that do?

its what the venue is there for, may as well make as much use of it as possible

end of the road · 07-02-2014 07:31PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Or he's someone fed up having the piss taken out of him and his fellow residents by concert promoters who failed to adhere to an agreement.

he's the one taking the piss

Xavi6 wrote: »

By all means pay him per concert. That would be a lot more acceptable than now where they get thrown into a raffle for tickets to a sh*t concert they probably have no interest in.

and have him looking for more and being a bigger ambulance chaser the next time? no chance

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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