Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

roadsmart · 07-02-2014 02:57PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

How many fatalities have there been as a result of these "delays"

Exactly.

I've already answered that question. I suggest you read the thread properly.

Santa Cruz · 07-02-2014 02:58PM

Big Steve wrote: »

I totally agree with this more than anything else in the thread. They need to stand together. Especially now in this climate, people can't just up sticks and move at the drop of a hat.

I'm not sure if I am correct in saying this (maybe someone living locally can correct me) but I worked in Croker about 5-6 year ago and from what I remember every address get put in a lotto and then they win 2 measley tickets for a house of maybe 4 or 5 etc. Wow 2 tickets for people that may have 2 or 3 kids what a gesture.

There needs to be a limit on it and/or a stricter curfew on the noise. I know it sounds mad but 10:00pm or 10:30pm for a gig to be over means people are not totally gone till at least 11:00pm - 11:30pm somewhere like Croker that makes a big difference when people are trying to sleep or put kids to bed.

I'm sure it can be worked out that it can be beneficial to both the residents and the G.A.A. etc.

And a lot of these tickets were then touted around on the day of the concert.

Gannicus · 07-02-2014 03:00PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

And a lot of these tickets were then touted around on the day of the concert.

That's a totally different thread right there.

I just merely propose these issues to highlight people grievance and mention some possible compromises they could all reach.

Potatoeman · 07-02-2014 03:04PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

right. . . this thread becomes more absurd by the minute.
I wouldn't know the exact issues of the residents. I do know from two people (1 friend, 1 colleague) living in the area (off Clonliffe road, 2-3 minutes from Croke Park) that on a day Croke Park has an event (any kind of event), they are practically stuck in their apartments. Like someone said, it's a dozen sports events a year and 3 (three) concerts a year, so they get a hassle for 15-20 days a year and know that they have to deal with it - I would probably have the same mindset, if I was leaving there.

Now, the concerts are up from 3 to 8 in one year. I am pretty sure the additional 5 (Garth Brooks) concerts will be licensed. That, for me, opens a can of worms. Next year, the 8 concerts can easily go up to, say, 12. Then. . .who knows. . .sky's the limit.
At this stage, I don't think there is much to be done. My opinion is that the concerts have to go through. If the state want to control this, they could do it by, say, having the promoters clear any licensing issues before any tickets go on sale. Not sure if this is possible or agrees with local rules and regulations (I am a foreigner), in Greece where I come from the system pretty much works like that.

As for the comment regarding emergency situations (how rare they happen), sorry but I couldn't disagree more. You don't wait for something really bad to happen in order to take measures. Health and safety comes (or at least should come) first. Again I think there are ways to deal with it (e.g. not allow any traffic in a certain area around Croke Park on event days - only local residents who, if I'm not mistaken, can have a special permit).

As I posted above I lived on Jones road and had no real issues. Its very busy for the thirty minutes before and after. People exaggerate the impact. You wouldnt want to be moving house in the area during match day but you can still pick your time and get in and out easily on foot.

super_furry · 07-02-2014 03:06PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I don't think there is any danger of the concerts being cancelled as at the end of the day the residents have no real power to stop them.

The concerts haven't been given permission to go ahead yet. Croke Park is supposed to only hold three concerts a year and with One Direction already playing three dates there, another five or even six Garth Brooks dates to be added, the residents could prove to be a very big thorn in Aiken's side.

roadsmart · 07-02-2014 03:08PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

As I posted above I lived on Jones road and had no real issues. Its very busy for the thirty minutes before and after. People exaggerate the impact. You wouldnt want to be moving house in the area during match day but you can still pick your time and get in and out easily on foot.

You obviously lived inside the cordon, where parking is not the main issue. I live directly outside the cordon, where parking is an acknowledged problem which goes on for much longer. People don't seem to realise what effect an event at Croker has within a 1 mile radius.

07-02-2014 03:10PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

they are practically stuck in their apartments.

This is absolute nonsense. How are they stuck in their apartments? They are living in the middle of Dublin even if they couldn't use their car (which I will come back to). They can walk to O'Connell street in 15 mins for gods sake. These residents wouldn't want to be living in the country if say, there was bad snow when they actually were stuck in their houses.

On the subject of cars, I don't think I've ever walked down Clonliffe road going to a match where at least one car didnt drive passed me and park outside a house, the Guards let residents pass. The 30 mins right after a game or gig are about the only time you couldn't drive and that doesn't stop people as there are always cars in the middle of the crowds of people trying to drive along Clonliffe road right after matches.

super_furry wrote: »

The concerts haven't been given permission to go ahead yet. Croke Park is supposed to only hold three concerts a year and with One Direction already playing three dates there, another five or even six Garth Brooks dates to be added, the residents could prove to be a very big thorn in Aiken's side.

What are they going to do to stop it? All they can do is campaign and if that falls on deaf ears then what?

Smidge · 07-02-2014 03:11PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Tbf, I am no stick in the mud. If I was renting there, let's say in a student house with a half dozen or so other students, it'd probably be gas, few drinks making a party out of the couple of nights, Wolf whistling at ladies and what not.

If I had a pride of joy, family home with a nicely kept garden, few kids etc, I imagine 5 nights of folk tramping past the front door, pissin in my garden, smoke butt's and bottles discarded in the front yard, I'd be rightly annoyed too.

I kinda get where they're coming from tbh.

As someone who lived beside Croke Park(I lived right beside one of the gate entrances so you couldn't get any closer)you could not have been more correct in your assessment of the situation. Except you didn't go far enough!

I had no front garden(front door and then the footpath). I had someone urinate THROUGH my letterbox into my hall:eek: I later learned from neighbours that I should have taped up my letterbox as this was something that happened regularly.
I had to clean puddles of vomit, not only from my doorstep but my window and sill, the front of my house and the side of my house.
The same with excrement. For some lovely but unknown reason, people would "relieve" themselves while leaning against my hall door for support.
Then there was the rubbish(the amount of beer cans/cider bottles/empty spirit bottles was unreal)that was THROWN over my back wall into the back garden. I could go on and on here folks!

And that's without the noise, the drinking, the fighting and the damage to our cars.I couldn't count how many neighbours had their cars damaged while legally parked at THEIR OWN HOMES. Mirrors knocked off from drunk people falling against them, dinges on bonnets from fools trying to be Don Jonhson.

And for people saying you shouldn't have bought there etc, I was renting, stayed a year and moved on. Lots of the other folks on the road were elderly and the house had been in the family for a long time. And in a lot of cases these houses were not sold after someone died but taken over by a child/family member.

I think the concert commitee should honour their agreement with the residents about 3 concerts. If they can't, they should be taken to task on it.

Garth Brooks for FIVE nights???
Those residents will surely have a place in heaven secured for them

Skylinehead · 07-02-2014 03:12PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

And a lot of these tickets were then touted around on the day of the concert.

What would you do with a ticket you didn't want given to you as "compensation"?

anncoates · 07-02-2014 03:23PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

What about if a tiger escapes from the zoo and hides in Ballybough flats?
or aliens land in Clonliffe road? The risks are endless

Heaven forbid that Dublin citizens might have the temerity to complain about the GAA treating north Inner city Dublin like it's their own little fiefdom.

Ray Palmer · 07-02-2014 03:24PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Surely those residents knew what they were getting into when buying their homes?

You do realise some of the property around there is a couple of hundred years old? Some contain descendants of the original owners.
Then there are the people that bought the house many decades ago when concerts weren't held there.
Then they also expanded Croke Park against the objection of the residents and promised controls on event and gigs beyond the usual sporting events.

So the residents do have a pretty decent reason to complain. Croke Park should never have been allowed to expand and grounds made into residential property.

super_furry · 07-02-2014 03:24PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

What are they going to do to stop it? All they can do is campaign and if that falls on deaf ears then what?

The biggest thing and most problematic is to object to the granting of the licences, and given the circumstances, they're going to have a very good case.

weldoninhio · 07-02-2014 03:25PM

roadsmart wrote: »

I've already answered that question. I suggest you read the thread properly.

Your posts come across as something written by Helen Lovejoy

weldoninhio · 07-02-2014 03:29PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

What would you do with a ticket you didn't want given to you as "compensation"?

Sell it at face value and be up E65.

Skylinehead · 07-02-2014 03:36PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sell it at face value and be up E65.

I'd want a hell of a lot more than 65 quid if people were pissing in my letterbox 5 times in a week.

roadsmart · 07-02-2014 03:37PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Your posts come across as something written by Helen Lovejoy

And yours are eerily similar to the style of Ralph Wiggum. What's your point?

Irish Aris · 07-02-2014 03:42PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

This is absolute nonsense. How are they stuck in their apartments? They are living in the middle of Dublin even if they couldn't use their car (which I will come back to). They can walk to O'Connell street in 15 mins for gods sake. These residents wouldn't want to be living in the country if say, there was bad snow when they actually were stuck in their houses.

On the subject of cars, I don't think I've ever walked down Clonliffe road going to a match where at least one car didnt drive passed me and park outside a house, the Guards let residents pass. The 30 mins right after a game or gig are about the only time you couldn't drive and that doesn't stop people as there are always cars in the middle of the crowds of people trying to drive along Clonliffe road right after matches.

What are they going to do to stop it? All they can do is campaign and if that falls on deaf ears then what?

Sorry, I should have put the word stuck in quatotation. I didn't mean it literally, just in a sense that there is some kind of hussle - and it varies amongst individuals. I guess it depends on the level of tolerance. I would be towards your line of thinking, but then I don't drive which makes things eaiser.

Like I said, for me this is an issue of principle - the "3 concerts per year" rule is going out the window.

wedger · 07-02-2014 03:43PM

I think a lot of people are confused here.

The agreement for 3 music events in Croke Park per year is not an agreement between the residents and Croke Park.

It is a stipulation in the approval of planning permission for the stadium that no more than 3 NON SPORTING EVENTS can be held, without seeking proper event licences.

Now in AVIVA stadium their planning states that the can only have 3 and absolutely no more in a year and the reason given by the council is "To protect public amenity".

So the lovely people in Dublin 4 can be protected by the council and those of us in D3 can shut up and put up is that it?

As for the amount of events annually (sporting or other wise) it normally exceeds 37 and this year will exceed 40. That is more than one tenth of the year with restrictions placed on our freedom of movement.

We all put up with it and get on with our lives and plan around it primarily because its only for the day maybe two. But when you have these restrictions placed on you for almost a week thats definitely taking the piss.

07-02-2014 03:48PM

super_furry wrote: »

The biggest thing and most problematic is to object to the granting of the licences, and given the circumstances, they're going to have a very good case.

It would be a very brave man that wouldn't grant the licence.

super_furry · 07-02-2014 03:53PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

It would be a very brave man that wouldn't grant the licence.

Not really. Just one that looked at all the facts and applicable conditions to granting such a licence. I don't think there's any danger of the first three dates being denied but after that, it could get sketchy. Aiken have really made a rod for their own back here and outside of really buttering up and splashing some serious cash the community's way, they're going to have problems.

The weekday gigs are going to be subject to some restrictive conditions regardless and I'd expect an early start on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and 10pm/10.30pm finish.

Irish Aris · 07-02-2014 03:55PM

super_furry wrote: »

Not really. Just one that looked at all the facts and applicable conditions to granting such a licence. I don't think there's any danger of the first three dates being denied but after that, it could get sketchy.

But how are they going to license the first 3, but not the last 2?

smileyj1987 · 07-02-2014 04:05PM

My nanny and grandad are living in Ballybough for 45 years . So they are living in the area before the redevelopment of croke . I also lived in the area for the first 16 years of my life .

There complaint is due to the fact that in the last number of years concerts are taking place more regularly . If they let them have 8 nights this year . Then what's to say Aiken / MCD won't try to go for 10 or more next year .

My grandfather has a hairdressers in the area and had to close early if it is a working day because of a lack of parking for his customers . This is down to the fact some people show up early to get parking and also because they are making a day out of going to the gig . His big grievance in this is the fact he will have to take 3 half days . That's him loosing X amount of money a week . No one will compensate him for the loss of business .

My family also live in an avenue with one access way and I can tell you people will block the whole avenue up with cars . Barriers are put in place but people will move them if the Garda present has to deal with something else .

Then to top it all off they have to deal with anti social behaviour from a select group of bellends who think it's funny to litter and urinate in public . Another complaint would be the people drinking on the streets too . The Garda seem to let then stand outside the pubs and the likes with their pints and walk around too with them if they are in a plastic glass .

end of the road · 07-02-2014 04:14PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

The residents agreed to a certain number of concerts per year

how lovely of them, they shouldn't get a say, they bought houses in the area knowing the stadium is there, so no sympathy for them from me.

Xavi6 wrote: »

the promoters have gone over that without an updated agreement

more money into the dublin economy

Xavi6 wrote: »

they're entitled to complain.

yes but hopefully their complaint will be thrown out

Skylinehead · 07-02-2014 04:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

how lovely of them, they shouldn't get a say, they bought houses in the area knowing the stadium is there, so no sympathy for them from me.

I suggest you read the thread. The point has already been made that families have been in those houses for generations, long before Croke Park was used as a music venue. Your argument makes no sense.

smileyj1987 · 07-02-2014 04:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

how lovely of them, they shouldn't get a say, they bought houses in the area knowing the stadium is there, so no sympathy for them from me.

more money into the dublin economy

yes but hopefully their complaint will be thrown out

They bought homes beside a sports stadium not a concert venue . It's only in the last number of years they have been having concerts in croke park .

end of the road · 07-02-2014 04:20PM

Psychobabble wrote: »

It's not the just the concerts that residents will need to contend with; there'll be major disruption in the area for a couple of days before hand, with noise and traffic from the stage being built and likewise when it is being dismantled. I'd say they're looking about 9 days disruption in all, certainly in the immediate vicinity.
It's not fair to say that they knew what they were signing up for when they bought in the area; the scale of this concert series is unprecedented for Croke Park and that's in addition to other agreed events.
There's a degree of cynicism and nastiness going on in relation to 'da residents' also, not all of them will be 'bought off' with a pair of concert tickets. For many this would not make up for the disruption experienced in their lives and the lives of their families. Remember, they are real people that may be aggrieved and distressed by the impact this will have on their day-to-day lives!
They don't want to spoil the party, but the fifth concert just seemed to be a bridge too far. There are big organisations making lots of money out of this and the rights of ordinary Irish citizens to have their concerns heard in due legal process are being discredited by many online commentators.

pitty about them, this will bring much needed money into the dublin economy, this is a big stadium where concerts will happen from time to time, the residents know this so they will just have to tough it out, remember this will bring much needed money into the dublin economy

Potatoeman · 07-02-2014 04:26PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

My nanny and grandad are living in Ballybough for 45 years . So they are living in the area before the redevelopment of croke . I also lived in the area for the first 16 years of my life .

There complaint is due to the fact that in the last number of years concerts are taking place more regularly . If they let them have 8 nights this year . Then what's to say Aiken / MCD won't try to go for 10 or more next year .

My grandfather has a hairdressers in the area and had to close early if it is a working day because of a lack of parking for his customers . This is down to the fact some people show up early to get parking and also because they are making a day out of going to the gig . His big grievance in this is the fact he will have to take 3 half days . That's him loosing X amount of money a week . No one will compensate him for the loss of business .

My family also live in an avenue with one access way and I can tell you people will block the whole avenue up with cars . Barriers are put in place but people will move them if the Garda present has to deal with something else .

Then to top it all off they have to deal with anti social behaviour from a select group of bellends who think it's funny to litter and urinate in public . Another complaint would be the people drinking on the streets too . The Garda seem to let then stand outside the pubs and the likes with their pints and walk around too with them if they are in a plastic glass .

Its the city, people are entitled to park there if its public property. What if the residents complained about his customers parking around there all the time?

whats_my_name · 07-02-2014 04:27PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

How many fatalities have there been as a result of these "delays"

Exactly.

All it takes is one for it to be one too many.

smileyj1987 · 07-02-2014 04:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

pitty about them, this will bring much needed money into the dublin economy, this is a big stadium where concerts will happen from time to time, the residents know this so they will just have to tough it out, remember this will bring much needed money into the dublin economy

Pity about them ? When a lot of people bought homes in the area sports and only sports where played during the day time . Why should they put up with at least a week of disturbance ?

weldoninhio · 07-02-2014 04:28PM

roadsmart wrote: »

And yours are eerily similar to the style of Ralph Wiggum. What's your point?

Won't somebody think of the children residents!!!!

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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