Child welfare groups want slapping outlawed

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 09:34AM #1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/child-welfare-groups-want-slapping-outlawed-258025.html

I'm confused in what they want exactly. On the one hand their saying slapping is bad and on the other they say 3 out of 5 parents don't do it or appose slapping .. The usual loaded language article about slapping yet slapping is replaced with Hitting the child in most cases. As far as I know beating your child would get you into serious trouble.

It says corporal punishment is Illegal and uses that as a reason for banning slapping ? It also says best practice Like parents are running a company. Why do they need a law for this it's not even Illegal in the EU and they don't slap much, corporal punishment is Illegal in some EU states. Pardon the pun but it seems like they want another Stick to beat parents with.

Lets try to keep the debate away from pros/cons of the slapping and more on the actual need for legislation or their reasoning.

wendell borton · 07-02-2014 09:46AM

They need a paddling.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddle_(spanking)

strobe · 07-02-2014 09:49AM

I'm confused as to your confusion... You seem to think the fact that 3 out of five people don't do something or disaprove of something that means legislation isn't necessary? If 40% of the country murdered or raped or drove drunk or vandalised or approved of it would it confuse you when people called for those things to be legislated against?

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 09:50AM

strobe wrote: »

I'm confused as to your confusion... You seem to think the fact that 2 thirds of don't do something means legislation isn't necessary? If 33% ofthe country murdered or raped or drove drunk or vandalised would it confuse you when people called for those things to be legislated against?

because that's the same .... 33% of people have a problem with drink lets ban that then ...

wendell borton · 07-02-2014 09:51AM

strobe wrote: »

I'm confused as to your confusion... You seem to think the fact that 2 thirds of don't do something means legislation isn't necessary? If 33% ofthe country murdered or raped or drove drunk or vandalised would it confuse you when people called for those things to be legislated against?

Majority rules, thats democracy.

Czarcasm · 07-02-2014 09:52AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Lets try to keep the debate away from pros/cons of the slapping and more on the actual need for legislation or their reasoning.

Sounds reasonable...

strobe wrote: »

If 40% of the country murdered or raped or drove drunk or vandalised or approved of it would it confuse you when people called for those things to be legislated against?

Escalated quickly!

GarIT · 07-02-2014 09:54AM

Even if one child is being slapped we need legislation to protect it. With some people if I said I hit my dog they'd be outraged but my child they wouldn't care. Some people claim it is a right as a parent to assault their child.

strobe · 07-02-2014 09:54AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

because that's the same .... 33% of people have a problem with drink lets ban that then ...

Oh Jesus h Christ... Its too early in the morning to walk you through why that statement bears no relationship to what you discuss in the OP you wrote and my reply to it ... Maybe I'll drop back after work... In the meantime reread the article you linked to and your own OP and have a think on it.

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 09:57AM

GarIT wrote: »

Even if one child is being slapped we need legislation to protect it. With some people if I said I hit my dog they'd be outraged but my child they wouldn't care. Some people claim it is a right as a parent to assault their child.

lets use that for child starving as parents dole was cut, oh but that would actually require doing something rather than making some law.

GarIT · 07-02-2014 09:58AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

lets use that for child starving as parents dole was cut, oh but that would actually require doing something rather than making some law.

I thought you wanted to keep your discussion to.......

jester77 · 07-02-2014 10:00AM

They better not outlaw the wooden spoon, it needs to be added to the UNESCO heritage list.

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 10:00AM

GarIT wrote: »

I thought you wanted to keep your discussion to.......

I did but so far we have people murdering people in the streets running people over and so on so forth. People trotting out if 1 child mantra.

strobe · 07-02-2014 10:01AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Escalated quickly!

Not really... replace any example I used with any anti social or violent or criminal behaviour if you like. I'm not saying slapping a child is equivalent to anything I'm addressing the OPs reasoning and his misinterpreting of the reasoning in the article. I thought that was fairly obvious... but maybe I could have bee clearer... like I say, tis early.

eireannBEAR · 07-02-2014 10:02AM

Anyone who requires the use of a hand to parent their child has some form of mental deficiency,Its totally unnecessary!

Jesus Wept · 07-02-2014 10:03AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

because that's the same .... 33% of people have a problem with drink lets ban that then ...

That's the worst comparison I've ever seen.

anncoates · 07-02-2014 10:04AM

Unruly girls that will not settle down must be taken in hand.

ElleEm · 07-02-2014 10:04AM

This legislation is needed.

There are laws to protect adults who are "hit" (assaulted) by other adults, yet children are not protected by law in this regard. It is absurd.

anncoates · 07-02-2014 10:05AM

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Anyone who requires the use of a hand to parent their child has some form of mental deficiency,Its totally unnecessary!

I tried using my feet to change their nappies but I got shite everywhere.

GarIT · 07-02-2014 10:05AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I did but so far we have people murdering people in the streets running people over and so on so forth. People trotting out if 1 child mantra.

You asked why we need a ban when it's only 33% (you couldn't do the maths to see its 40%) of kids that get slapped. You were given two good reasons and now you are trying to dismiss the reasons and using the worst arguments I've ever seen to do so.

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 10:05AM

strobe wrote: »

Not really... replace any example I used with any anti social or violent or criminal behaviour if you like. I'm not saying slapping a child is equivalent to anything I'm addressing the OPs reasoning and his misinterpreting of the reasoning in the article.

how ? It even says in the article most people don't do it already and disagree with it why bring in a law ? surely educating parents is better. Seems like a lobby groups pet project to get a law introduced to me.

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 10:06AM

Our Year wrote: »

That's the worst comparison I've ever seen.

But the murdering driving over people was reasonable ....

GarIT · 07-02-2014 10:07AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

because that's the same .... 33% of people have a problem with drink lets ban that then ...

The problem isn't people drinking it's being drunk and disorderly, go have a look and you will find it already is illegal.

Also as the op why don't you tell us your stance and opinion instead of shooting everybody down with no reason.

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 10:09AM

GarIT wrote: »

The problem isn't people drinking it's being drunk and disorderly, go have a look and you will find it already is illegal.

Also as the op why don't you tell us your stance and opinion instead of shooting everybody down with no reason.

I did above saying Education...

Jesus Wept · 07-02-2014 10:09AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

But the murdering driving over people was reasonable ....

Wasn't as bad, no. :-P

GarIT · 07-02-2014 10:10AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

But the murdering driving over people was reasonable ....

It was a comparission of stats not the act itself.

You made the clams that there was no need for the law as only 33% were slapped, but 33% comitting any crime is a lot.

If it is banned I hope it is jail time for every single offence. Just like other assaults.

Bacchus · 07-02-2014 10:10AM

I was slapped on occasion as a child, sometimes got the wooden spoon too. Didn't do me any harm. It was never excessive but it was an effective way to teach me a lesson.

The state should stay out of parenting. Some parents seem to rely too much on the schools to discipline their children and then blame them when their kids are out of control (I'm not a parent, this is just an observation based on conversations with parents and the behaviour of my various nieces/nephews/little cousins and friend's children). It should be up to the parents to raise their child. Instead they get more and more excuses for their precious little angel. Not their fault they're disobedient, the teachers failed them. Not their fault they're failing in school, video games have rotted their brains. Not their fault they're overweight, sweets and fizzy drinks made them fat. Not their fault they don't respect us, the state won't let me give a slap.

Now obviously, there has to be some line for when it becomes child abuse at which point there needs to be intervention but isn't there already systems in place for that?

GarIT · 07-02-2014 10:12AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

how ? It even says in the article most people don't do it already and disagree with it why bring in a law ? surely educating parents is better. Seems like a lobby groups pet project to get a law introduced to me.

Educating people out of murder never worked for us. We need a law to protect children.

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 10:13AM

GarIT wrote: »

It was a comparission of stats not the act itself.

You made the clams that there was no need for the law as only 33% were slapped, but 33% comitting any crime is a lot.

If it is banned I hope it is jail time for every single offence. Just like other assaults.

Just to point out slapping is not Illegal yet so what's your point in pointing out things that are ?

darkpagandeath · 07-02-2014 10:13AM

GarIT wrote: »

Educating people out of murder never worked for us. We need a law to protect children.

Whose being murdered again ?

Frank Lee Midere · 07-02-2014 10:15AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Whose being murdered again ?

Nobody. He's pointing out that cultural changes aren't enough, you need laws.

GarIT · 07-02-2014 10:16AM

Bacchus wrote: »

I was slapped on occasion as a child, sometimes got the wooden spoon too. Didn't do me any harm. It was never excessive but it was an effective way to teach me a lesson.

The state should stay out of parenting. Some parents seem to rely too much on the schools to discipline their children and then blame them when their kids are out of control (I'm not a parent, this is just an observation based on conversations with parents and the behaviour of my various nieces/nephews/little cousins and friend's children). It should be up to the parents to raise their child. Instead they get more and more excuses for their precious little angel. Not their fault they're disobedient, the teachers failed them. Not their fault they're failing in school, video games have rotted their brains. Not their fault they're overweight, sweets and fizzy drinks made them fat. Not their fault they don't respect us, the state won't let me give a slap.

Now obviously, there has to be some line for when it becomes child abuse at which point there needs to be intervention but isn't there already systems in place for that?

If I punched you it wouldn't do you any harm you would remember in 20 years time. Assault is abuse, if I spanked my 18 year old son or my wife(without her permission) I would end up in jail, but I can do it to a child no bother, that's insane.

Child welfare groups want slapping outlawed

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