Major incident as concert-goers fall ill at Odyssey Arena in Belfast

maguic24 · 06-02-2014 11:35PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Legalizing every (recreational) drug is not the answer. Lets say they do legalize it tomorrow how much do you think a pill will cost? €1? €5? €10? The government will want their tax take which would be a LARGE % of the cost. Just like cigarettes you would get smugglers who would bring in cheap knock offs and sell for a a tiny cost of the real thing. The only problem now is kids think that the tabs they are buying are the real deal and safe because the government has legalized it. You wouldn't see less incidents like tonight you would see more.

I don't know, I think I would fork out more money for the real deal rather than some black market knock offs. I do see where you are coming from but I don't see any better alternative.

wandatowell · 06-02-2014 11:36PM

cometogether wrote: »

Someone isn't scum for taking pills. Don't talk such nonsense

Yes they are. How can you not see that?

I always found that people who think like you do are/were regular drug users.

catallus · 06-02-2014 11:36PM

Hopefully all the kids are ok; hopefully this will be a lesson for them that alcohol and pills can give you a sore tummy.

cometogether · 06-02-2014 11:37PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Yes they are. How can you not see that?

I always found that people who think like you do are/were regular drug users.

Bit of a foolish presumption

Me? · 06-02-2014 11:37PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Yes they are. How can you not see that?

I always found that people who think like you do are/were regular drug users.

You are very ignorant.

bumper234 · 06-02-2014 11:37PM

maguic24 wrote: »

I don't know, I think I would fork out more money for the real deal rather than some black market knock offs. I do see where you are coming from but I don't see any better alternative.

Weed? Legalize it tomorrow (I don't smoke it but I believe it to be more beneficial than harmful) but ecstasy is another story as it's a mix of chemicals and I understand you would pay more but kids will think one pill for €10 or 4 pills for €10?

maguic24 · 06-02-2014 11:38PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Yes they are. How can you not see that?

I always found that people who think like you do are/were regular drug users.

Really?

Damn I shouldn't have taken them 2 panadols this morning! >.< I had a really bad headache though.

My name is URL · 06-02-2014 11:39PM

cometogether wrote: »

But it would stop the drugs themselves being as dangerous

You're assuming that it's down to a bad batch and not just people overdoing it. Why does the discussion automatically need to be about legalisation anyway? Why not about the lack responsibility which is evident at events like this in general?

bumper234 · 06-02-2014 11:39PM

cometogether wrote: »

Bit of a foolish presumption

Don't feed it, report it.

06-02-2014 11:39PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Yes they are. How can you not see that?

I always found that people who think like you do are/were regular drug users.

Lol. Anyone who takes drugs is scum? What about legal drugs like caffeine, aspirin, alcohol, morphine, etc.

dundalkfc10 · 06-02-2014 11:40PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Teenage scum take drugs, scum cant hack it, scum gets sick.

Hopefully the law deals with them and doesn't just ignore it.

1st point, what exactly can be done to any of these Kids by Law?

Hope you dont have teenagers as the majority of teenagers these days have tried drugs (Im counting drink as its as bad as many of these) whether you want to believe it or not is your own issue, but to call everyone who takes drugs scum means that id say 90% of Ireland is scum.

WoollyRedHat · 06-02-2014 11:40PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Teenage scum take drugs, scum cant hack it, scum gets sick.

Hopefully the law deals with them and doesn't just ignore it.

Explain how all of these people are scum exactly? Where they behaving violently? I'd be more inclined to say those who take advantage of young people and put dodgy **** that can kill people are the scum... why don't you attack them?

bumper234 wrote: »

Legalizing every (recreational) drug is not the answer. Lets say they do legalize it tomorrow how much do you think a pill will cost? €1? €5? €10? The government will want their tax take which would be a LARGE % of the cost. Just like cigarettes you would get smugglers who would bring in cheap knock offs and sell for a a tiny cost of the real thing. The only problem now is kids think that the tabs they are buying are the real deal and safe because the government has legalized it. You wouldn't see less incidents like tonight you would see more.

Didn't suggest every drug for a start. I'm not a pricing expert, it will priced on market value... They would be safe, because they'd be verified and there would be a source.... I disagree, you would certainly see less as you would have an option to buy from a reputable source, choice is key here.

My name is URL wrote: »

Exactly, legalisation won't stop youngsters from abusing drugs, and it won't stop others from mixing them dangerously with alcohol.

It wouldn't, but it would help narrow the cases of bad batches, which is far more fatal than mixing pills with drink which happens all the time. It's not the mixing of the two that can be lethal, it's all the **** mixed in with the MDMA that's the problem.

Jimoslimos · 06-02-2014 11:41PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Weed? Legalize it tomorrow (I don't smoke it but I believe it to be more beneficial than harmful) but ecstasy is another story as it's a mix of chemicals and I understand you would pay more but kids will think one pill for €10 or 4 pills for €10?

Everything contains chemicals.

Unless you're trying to make the flawed argument that "natural" chemicals good, "artificial" chemicals bad?

The Backwards Man · 06-02-2014 11:41PM

Mountain out of a mole hill, me thinks

https://www.facebook.com/odysseyarena/posts/748631295169389

drunkmonkey · 06-02-2014 11:42PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Teenage scum take drugs, scum cant hack it, scum gets sick.

Hopefully the law deals with them and doesn't just ignore it.

They should burn those happy faced feckers at the stake.., how dare they go and get happy....mad**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ceuWzY36k

cometogether · 06-02-2014 11:42PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You're assuming that it's down to a bad batch and not just people overdoing it. Why does the discussion automatically need to be about legalisation anyway? Why not about the lack responsibility which is evident at events like this in general?

Well sixty people getting ill at one electronic music event would suggest as much. Hopefully not though. Obviously everyone's responsible for themselves, but at the end of the day its just young people out enjoying themselves, them having to buy dodgy and illegal pills helps nobody

zetalambda · 06-02-2014 11:42PM

"No-one was seriously injured."

orangesoda · 06-02-2014 11:44PM

WikiHow wrote: »

They went mad altogether when he starting singing "Beyond the Rainbows end".

'Oh when irish eyes are smiling sure its like a morning spring'

The crowd 'Im not irish ye wee heure,im british' and then daniel is chased around the streets of belfast

bumper234 · 06-02-2014 11:45PM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Everything contains chemicals.

Unless you're trying to make the flawed argument that "natural" chemicals good, "artificial" chemicals bad?

Of course not, alcohol and tobacco do serious damage too but will never be banned as government NEEDS the tax € from them to survive. What I am saying is that if anyone thinks that legalizing ecstasy will stop these kind of Incidents then they are being naive. Dealers will always sell them cheaper (see Moore st for knock off cigs and tobacco) and kids with less money will buy them!

06-02-2014 11:45PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Weed? Legalize it tomorrow (I don't smoke it but I believe it to be more beneficial than harmful) but ecstasy is another story as it's a mix of chemicals and I understand you would pay more but kids will think one pill for €10 or 4 pills for €10?

Pretty sure if you legalised it, it would be cheaper. Though I'd love to know your source for 4 pills for 10 quid :pac:

06-02-2014 11:46PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Mountain out of a mole hill, me thinks

https://www.facebook.com/odysseyarena/posts/748631295169389

Blimey, I guessed right! (see first page)

Reiketsu · 06-02-2014 11:48PM

There's a couple of dodgy ones going around at the moment that do not even contain MDMA. It's very easy to check online what's going around where, what it looks like, any warnings etc. People need to be more sensible, it reduces risk. At the end of the day people will take drugs and the best thing to do is to try and educate. There are clubs in mainland Europe that have testing kits so you can check what you're getting. They legalised drugs in Portugal and the amount of trouble caused by them has halved and they treat addicts like they have an illness rather than as criminals. Personal responsibility is important, people are entitled to put whatever they want in their bodies but they need to take care of themselves.

bumper234 · 06-02-2014 11:48PM

AdamD wrote: »

Pretty sure if you legalised it, it would be cheaper. Though I'd love to know your source for 4 pills for 10 quid :pac:

I'm saying gov will sell 1 pill at say €10 then dealers will sell KNOCK OFF pills at 4 for €10. I obviously don't know what gov would sell for or what dealers would sell for am just using those numbers as an example

06-02-2014 11:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You're assuming that it's down to a bad batch and not just people overdoing it. Why does the discussion automatically need to be about legalisation anyway? Why not about the lack responsibility which is evident at events like this in general?

If it was 60 people needing medical treatment then that would be a more than fair assumption.

WoollyRedHat · 06-02-2014 11:49PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Of course not, alcohol and tobacco do serious damage too but will never be banned as government NEEDS the tax € from them to survive. What I am saying is that if anyone thinks that legalizing ecstasy will stop these kind of Incidents then they are being naive. Dealers will always sell them cheaper (see Moore st for knock off cigs and tobacco) and kids with less money will buy them!

I'd say more people would have started to roll cigarettes than buy off Moore street..

Think you're overestimating the black market just a tad... why would I buy " 4 pills for a 10er" off the black market, when there's a chance there's all sorts of **** in it, and it could be a **** buzz when I could get a perfectly legitimate and tested pill that will be of good quality? Think you take all young people for idiots.. sure some people will go to the black market, but that will always be the case.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-02-2014 11:53PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Just like they'd do with alcohol. Teenagers will always find means, especially around the 15/16 range... legalizing would at least ensure that pills which they will get their hands on if they try hard enough are safe and won't lead to fatal consequences.

look how well alcohol has worked for society

WoollyRedHat · 06-02-2014 11:54PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

look how well alcohol has worked for society

Look how well prohibition worked... ZING

Reiketsu · 06-02-2014 11:54PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

look how well alcohol has worked for society

Yeah, so why is that acceptable and drugs not? Considering it causes thousands of deaths a year.

sum41dude · 06-02-2014 11:57PM

What sort of a rave is held on a Thursday evening, ending at 11pm ?

Kids these days wha!

Roger Hassenforder · 06-02-2014 11:57PM

Reiketsu wrote: »

Yeah, so why is that acceptable and drugs not? Considering it causes thousands of deaths a year.

should it be as "acceptable" as it is?

Major incident as concert-goers fall ill at Odyssey Arena in Belfast

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