Iona vs Panti

weisses · 04-02-2014 02:39PM

david75 wrote: »

Am I reading this right? Kids of gay parents potentially being bullied because they have two daddies, as a reason to disallow gay marriage?

Barrels are being scraped right through to their last thread

Should never ever be a reason to disallow gay marriage or adoption but the potential bullying is an issue discussed by gay couples

Remember a dutch gay celeb talking about he was worried because adopting a black child from the states being brought up by two gay men would make his child vulnerable to bullying and it really bothered him ... A view shared by more gay couples

Galvasean · 04-02-2014 02:40PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Ohhhh...I'd like a bit of land... need to find me a landowning widow woman...!

It worked in The Merchant of Venice...

kylith · 04-02-2014 02:42PM

Qs wrote: »

Mulva?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Heh heh - I'm not the only one trying to work it out ...

Deirdre Weirdra, since ye're so curious.

Tramps Like Us · 04-02-2014 03:03PM

tawnyowl wrote: »

Not sure whether to put this here or in the Waters thread:

Paul Murphy is another politician willing to speak out about this injustice. (I think he may be covered against lawsuits by EU Parliamentary Privilege.)

In other news, Graham Norton has offered support to Panti:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/graham-norton-offers-support-to-panti-bliss-as-rte-homophobe-row-rumbles-on-29975142.html

And the Huffington Post is covering the controversy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/03/panti-noble-oppression_n_4717909.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices

This is going international - I don't think Iona and Waters can sue everyone involved!

Nothing at all to do with an upcoming election of course (although I 100% agree with what he said)

Bannasidhe · 04-02-2014 03:24PM

kylith wrote: »

Deirdre Weirdra, since ye're so curious.

Jayzuz... that is pathetic on many levels. How on Earth did you (if you did) resist the urge to slap a few IQ points into the genius who came up with that?

kylith · 04-02-2014 03:34PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Jayzuz... that is pathetic on many levels. How on Earth did you (if you did) resist the urge to slap a few IQ points into the genius who came up with that?

I spent a lot of time suppressing the urge to slap people alright, and not just over the nicknames.

Bannasidhe · 04-02-2014 03:48PM

kylith wrote: »

I spent a lot of time suppressing the urge to slap people alright, and not just over the nicknames.

I channelled that urge into playing rugby.

Beruthiel · 04-02-2014 04:09PM

Panti has truly gone viral!

RuPaul

Graham Norton

Doctor DooM · 04-02-2014 04:15PM

Beruthiel wrote: »

Panti has truly gone viral!

RuPaul

Graham Norton

Huffpo and MSNBC too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/03/panti-noble-oppression_n_4717909.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices

Well done on bringing international attention to the issue of gay rights and homophobia in Ireland, Iona Institute and John Waters. Should have seen the whole "libril agenda" stuff was actually just a clever ruse.

FouxDaFaFa · 04-02-2014 04:21PM

A lot of my American gay friends have picked up the story and are talking about it on facebook. It's gaining a lot of traction.

Saw Derren Brown mention it yesterday too.

Cabaal · 04-02-2014 04:30PM

Again,
I can't help but think that if Iona and Waters had done nothing after the Saturday Night show,

- We wouldn't be talking about this
- The media wouldn't have picked up on it...including over sea's
- Waters would still have his job in the BAI
- TD's and MEP's wouldn't be directing comments against Iona n Co
- RTE would have been 85k better off

Cabaal · 04-02-2014 04:33PM

Indo reporting on the support panti is getting
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/graham-norton-offers-support-to-panti-bliss-as-rte-homophobe-row-rumbles-on-29975142.html

Brian Shanahan · 04-02-2014 04:35PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

There was one linked to by the Professor who wrote that last piece
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/06/5640/

According to wikipedia the Witherspoon "institute":

is a conservative think tank in Princeton, New Jersey. The group is opposed to same-sex marriage, embryonic stem cell research, and abortion.

Therefore they are not a valid source of information on this issue, because they are going to only release information biased towards the outcomes they want to achieve, i.e. the maintenance and eventual increase of homophobia and misogyny.

Furthermore the article goes on to say that they were the people behind the Regnerus "study", so we know they are willing to lie, skew the data and manipulate evidence to further their homophobic and misogynistic agenda.

Article

PopePalpatine · 04-02-2014 04:35PM

Oh look, another fake Institute!

Corkfeen · 04-02-2014 04:38PM

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

According to wikipedia the Witherspoon "institute":

Therefore they are not a valid source of information on this issue, because they are going to only release information biased towards the outcomes they want to achieve, i.e. the maintenance and eventual increase of homophobia and misogyny.

Furthermore the article goes on to say that they were the people behind the Regnerus "study", so we know they are willing to lie, skew the data and manipulate evidence to further their homophobic and misogynistic agenda.

Article

Already told him,then he started to claim the Regnerus study was credible.

swampgas · 04-02-2014 04:39PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Again,
I can't help but think that if Iona and Waters had done nothing after the Saturday Night show,

- We wouldn't be talking about this
- The media wouldn't have picked up on it...including over sea's
- Waters would still have his job in the BAI
- TD's and MEP's wouldn't be directing comments against Iona n Co
- RTE would have been 85k better off

You would have to wonder if the Irish Times are aware how their reputation (such as it is) is being affected by the fact that they more or less pay Iona people to put Iona propaganda into their newspaper.

That's assuming that the Irish Times management even cares, they don't give the impression that it bothers them much at all.

robindch · 04-02-2014 04:49PM

swampgas wrote: »

That's assuming that the Irish Times management even cares, they don't give the impression that it bothers them much at all.

With respect to Waters, I recall reading somewhere -- here? -- that the previous editor, Geraldine Kennedy, tried to get rid of him, but Waters threatened legal action, so he was retained. Would be interesting to be able to confirm that story one way or the other.

Waters is excellent clickbait, but that's all he is.

Cabaal · 04-02-2014 04:50PM

swampgas wrote: »

You would have to wonder if the Irish Times are aware how their reputation (such as it is) is being affected by the fact that they more or less pay Iona people to put Iona propaganda into their newspaper.

That's assuming that the Irish Times management even cares, they don't give the impression that it bothers them much at all.

yeah they really should be aware of it though,

Outside of Waters I've always liked the Irish times, but their intentional misrepresentation of the protest numbers at the weekend as well as allowing hatred to be published like they do does put me off.

vitani · 04-02-2014 04:52PM

Cabaal wrote: »

yeah they really should be aware of it though,

Outside of Waters I've always liked the Irish times, but their intentional misrepresentation of the protest numbers at the weekend as well as allowing hatred to be published like they do does put me off.

To be fair, they did publish a great piece from Fintan O'Toole on the subject today: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/full-equality-often-has-to-wait-while-mainstream-opinion-catches-up-1.1678007

Pherekydes · 04-02-2014 04:58PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Oh look, another fake Institute!

A Conservative think tank!

Now there's the very definition of oxymoron.

Penn · 04-02-2014 05:09PM

robindch wrote: »

With respect to Waters, I recall reading somewhere -- here? -- that the previous editor, Geraldine Kennedy, tried to get rid of him, but Waters threatened legal action, so he was retained. Would be interesting to be able to confirm that story one way or the other.

Waters is excellent clickbait, but that's all he is.

Sarky · 04-02-2014 05:11PM

Bahaha. Stealing that one.

swampgas · 04-02-2014 05:12PM

vitani wrote: »

To be fair, they did publish a great piece from Fintan O'Toole on the subject today: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/full-equality-often-has-to-wait-while-mainstream-opinion-catches-up-1.1678007

Not a bad article by Fintan O'Toole. However the Iona crew write articles which are ridiculously conservative rather than thought provoking.

I do like the term "Ionanism" for JW's and BO'B's writings though :pac:

Penn · 04-02-2014 05:13PM

Sarky wrote: »

Bahaha. Stealing that one.

I call it "The Most Least Interesting Man in the World"

Bannasidhe · 04-02-2014 05:16PM

Seems some one forgot to the the EU that the word 'homophobia' is banned...oopsie.

“Homophobia must not be tolerated in Europe any more” – EU votes to protect LGBTI rights

http://www.thejournal.ie/eu-homophobia-1299095-Feb2014/

Stark · 04-02-2014 05:19PM

robindch wrote: »

With respect to Waters, I recall reading somewhere -- here? -- that the previous editor, Geraldine Kennedy, tried to get rid of him, but Waters threatened legal action, so he was retained. Would be interesting to be able to confirm that story one way or the other.

Waters is excellent clickbait, but that's all he is.

Looks true: http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/1123/44512-watersj/
http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/1124/44543-watersj/

Well no specific mention of legal action but I wouldn't be surprised

Sarky · 04-02-2014 05:20PM

Penncil Dick wrote: »

I call it "The Most Least Interesting Man in the World"

The police stop and question him... over unpaid parking fines.

His beard alone has experienced more faux-outrage than a lesser man's entire body.

Cabaal · 04-02-2014 05:23PM

And Norris comes out fighting today,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMamyBOvqhI

He's not holding back much when it comes to Iona "institute"

Turtwig · 04-02-2014 05:31PM

Cabaal wrote: »

And Norris comes out fighting today,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMamyBOvqhI

He's not holding back much when it comes to Iona "institute"

That's his second time in recent memory launching a tirade against them. He did it for the children's referendum or abortion debate too iirc.

Sarky · 04-02-2014 05:33PM

It's nice to see at least one politician asking who the hell those cowboys are.

Iona vs Panti

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