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I am pie · 03-02-2014 06:07PM

Necking shots of drinks has been going on for as long as there have been pubs and off licenses. We consume so much more news content now as we live in a connected world, 30 years ago so tragic punter drinking too much whiskey and ending dead in a river wouldn't have made much more than the national news. He might have had a few friends egging him on rather than videos on his facebook page.

Even in the last few years in Dublin, before this trend, was there at least one missing person case where the poor victim turned up drowned in a river. Certainly there was an fella who tried swimming across a river in Australia and died after a few drinks.

Unfortunately this carry on is older than these videos, no amount of banning this that and the other will have much impact on it. Lads, primarily, will down more alcohol than is healthy, it's a dangerous thing for which culturally we (many European countries included) don't have much respect. Very occasionally someone dies through lack of education or awareness of the dangers posed.

It's easily done, water and booze don't mix and downing big volumes of spirits can kill you. These videos are dumb, but they are only continuing on years worth of dopey traditions. Banning them won't change a thing.

y0ssar1an22 · 03-02-2014 06:19PM

I am pie wrote: »

Necking shots of drinks has been going on for as long as there have been pubs and off licenses. We consume so much more news content now as we live in a connected world, 30 years ago so tragic punter drinking too much whiskey and ending dead in a river wouldn't have made much more than the national news. He might have had a few friends egging him on rather than videos on his facebook page.

Even in the last few years in Dublin, before this trend, was there at least one missing person case where the poor victim turned up drowned in a river. Certainly there was an fella who tried swimming across a river in Australia and died after a few drinks.

Unfortunately this carry on is older than these videos, no amount of banning this that and the other will have much impact on it. Lads, primarily, will down more alcohol than is healthy, it's a dangerous thing for which culturally we (many European countries included) don't have much respect. Very occasionally someone dies through lack of education or awareness of the dangers posed.

It's easily done, water and booze don't mix and downing big volumes of spirits can kill you. These videos are dumb, but they are only continuing on years worth of dopey traditions. Banning them won't change a thing.

But we need someone or something to blame goddammit!!

03-02-2014 06:33PM

These comments from the Judge Paul Carney today are totally and utterly bizarre.

Are these taken out of context or is he actually suggesting that a few pints caused this absolute animal to rape a woman? I realise its not neknomination as such but contrast to my earlier sentiments I dont think alcohol can be blamed at all for committal of such inhuman acts. It might provide some dutch courage but the fact it was performed was due to the derangement of the perpetrator.

I realise my source is only the mirror but the judge's statement was read out on newstalk news bulletin also earlier. Im sorry i just cannot defend this absolute clap trap. This judge just seems to have absolved the evil of the man in question. Even though he got 8 years it just isnt enough and i just dont believe that excessive alcohol consumption can be blamed for committing such evil acts such as rape and homicide. Are these overpaid buffoons really this out of touch with reality?

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/judge-paul-carney-warns-tsunami-3108573

Chris The Hacker · 03-02-2014 06:33PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

But we need someone or something to blame goddammit!!

Clearly, this is fault of the River Barrow. Let's ban rivers.

03-02-2014 06:41PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Ah now. In Russia 25% of all men die before reaching the age of 55...and vodka takes most of the blame for that stat. We are no where near that yet.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2014/01/31/proof-of-vodkas-grasp-russian-men-still-dying-young/

More to alcohol abuse then the deaths it causes though. Its the whole anti social aspect on the streets and the resources it wastes trying to clean up the mess it leaves. As i said im not one calling for prohibition but i definitely think as a nation our relationship with alcohol is unhealthy. We need better education as so people will make the right decisions before they consume alcohol. Just assuming things will never change is not good enough. We owe it to future generations to at least try.

Chris The Hacker · 03-02-2014 06:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

More to alcohol abuse then the deaths it causes though. Its the whole anti social aspect on the streets and the resources it wastes trying to clean up the mess it leaves. As i said im not one calling for prohibition but i definitely think as a nation our relationship with alcohol is unhealthy. We need better education as so people will make the right decisions before they consume alcohol. Just assuming things will never change is not good enough. We owe it to future generations to at least try.

I've noticed ever since the recession, more and more young people are going to the gym and taking up bodybuilding. There's a bit of a metrosexual craze going on with young men.

I believe our climate plays a big role in our drinking culture. When I was 18, we used to play football at tennis courts or basketball courts, but if it was raining or too dark, we would just get bored and hit the pub for a few games of pool because we had no gym at the time and there was fúck-all else to do.

03-02-2014 06:59PM

Chris The Hacker wrote: »

I've noticed ever since the recession, more and more young people are going to the gym and taking up bodybuilding. There's a bit of a metrosexual craze going on with young men.

I believe our climate plays a big role in our drinking culture. When I was 18, we used to play football at tennis courts or basketball courts, but if it was raining or too dark, we would just get bored and hit the pub for a few games of pool because we had no gym at the time and there was fúck-all else to do.

Is the whole drinking thing a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy though? yes you could be on to something when you suggest boredom and climate could pay a part but i'm wondering if we are stuck in some sort of a cycle where we are fulfilling what others and ourselves are telling us we are?

It would seem the government only want to intervene by not making us consume less but rather pay more taxes to them for what we consume. They arent interested in educating future generations about alcohol abuse and what it could lead to.

The whole nek-nomination thing I realise pre-dated the internet by a considerable long time and didn't originate here but i just think with the lack of education and over-acceptance of the alcohol situation in this country that its probably high time that the bull was taken by the horns and something done about it akin to the road safety campaign that has had an impact.

hatrickpatrick · 03-02-2014 07:00PM

Chris The Hacker wrote: »

I've noticed ever since the recession, more and more young people are going to the gym and taking up bodybuilding. There's a bit of a metrosexual craze going on with young men.

How the hell is bodybuilding metrosexual? Surely trying to get ripped and huge is conforming to more traditional ideas about masculinity?

SPS1 · 03-02-2014 07:06PM

I wasn't paying full attention when it was on. But I swore I heard on the news today, discussion to raise alcohol sold anywhere to a minimum price when it was discussing the deaths surrounding neck nominations.

Days 298 · 03-02-2014 07:08PM

Saw a headline in the shop calling for it to be banned. FFS if I want to neck a pint and video it I bloody well will. Lets close pubs while we are at it. Normalizes drinking.... wait it is normal.

03-02-2014 07:09PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How the hell is bodybuilding metrosexual? Surely trying to get ripped and huge is conforming to more traditional ideas about masculinity?

Yeah id agree there. S&C is a huge part of even amateur sports or athletics now which the masses participate in. Ireland seems to have a better attitude toward health and fitness (although we also have worrying levels of obesity) which convinces me that the tide can be turned with the right information provided and the right leaders. Unfortunately the joke shop up in Leinster house will come up with tons of ridiculous solutions but no sensible ones and the usual noise they make is motivated by political gain. We are but a mere football in order for them to score easy goals with

gobnaitolunacy · 03-02-2014 07:11PM

Chris The Hacker wrote: »

I've noticed ever since the recession, more and more young people are going to the gym and taking up bodybuilding. There's a bit of a metrosexual craze going on with young men.

I believe our climate plays a big role in our drinking culture. When I was 18, we used to play football at tennis courts or basketball courts, but if it was raining or too dark, we would just get bored and hit the pub for a few games of pool because we had no gym at the time and there was fúck-all else to do.

The Aussies have a huge drink problem as well (not all of it recently imported) so not always climate, more culture and upbringing.
Look at the continentals; the French and Italians, it's generally thought to be bad form to be going around drunk in public, let alone sticking up a pic or vid getting sozzled.

languagenerd · 03-02-2014 07:20PM

I don't think the game in itself is to blame (though I think it's a stupid trend to begin with) and I don't want the videos banned - that's treating the symptom rather than the cause, not to mention setting a dangerous precedent.

But I don't think it's a bad idea to publicise the fact that these deaths were down to necknominations gone wrong. It might stop others from doing sth equally stupid - anyone thinking of doing a big stunt for their vid now might think of the lad in Carlow and scale it back a bit. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, people might think of possible consequences a bit more now.

Jonkenji · 03-02-2014 07:29PM

Did some guy lose his fingers in a blender today doing a neknomination? Thought I heard something on 4fm earlier.

michael999999 · 03-02-2014 07:33PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Pat Rabbitte now expects Facebook to ban the videos.
This is what would happen if we allowed politicians to regulate the internet, bear that in mind...

It would be like banning brown envelopes to try and stop political corruption. Our politicians really don't have a clue!

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-02-2014 07:33PM

This guy is an idiot -http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d17_1389890461#UyRAJcrpQCJ0BDBx.01

I did laugh at this one though - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3979523542096&set=vb.1700898678&type=2&theater

03-02-2014 07:46PM

michael999999 wrote: »

It would be like banning brown envelopes to try and stop political corruption. Our politicians really don't have a clue!

Its all point scoring which the dopes cant even think out properly before engaging in it. Judge Carney really took the biscuit when he suggested too much drink caused a man to rape a woman. Oh he was from a respectable family so it must be it :rolleyes: These are meant to be the elite in their fields of 'expertise' in this country. Baby Jesus wept.

rubadub · 03-02-2014 08:15PM

Days 298 wrote: »

Saw a headline in the shop calling for it to be banned.

If it was any other recreational drug linked to the deaths it wouldn't be just the game being asked to be banned, it would be the drug too.

Days 298 wrote: »

Lets close pubs while we are at it.

and any shops selling it or similar drugs.

But since mammy and the local sergeant abuse this particular drug, then banning it doesn't even cross their tiny hypocritical minds.

efb · 03-02-2014 08:21PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Why stop there? You better ban all the American Pie movies, The Hangover movies, Old School...

In fact lets just ban everything and become Amish right now. Wanna raise a barn efb?

Yes

fits · 03-02-2014 08:28PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Look at the continentals; the French and Italians, it's generally thought to be bad form to be going around drunk in public, let alone sticking up a pic or vid getting sozzled.

This times a million. And the problem isn't unique to Irish either. I reckon education can do a lot to change attitudes. And I'm saying this as someone who did a fair amount of stupid stuff when I was 19.

foggy_lad · 03-02-2014 08:28PM

This kind of rubbish all started with MTV and their Jackass shows. Entertainment for those with too much free time and not enough sense.

Foxtrol · 03-02-2014 08:32PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

This kind of rubbish all started with MTV and their Jackass shows. Entertainment for those with too much free time and not enough sense.

Yes because no one ever did anything stupid and dangerous for attention prior to the year 2000. :rolleyes:

GhostInTheRuins · 03-02-2014 08:56PM

nm wrote: »

This guy is an idiot -http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d17_1389890461#UyRAJcrpQCJ0BDBx.01

I want to see him an hour later, if he's not dead by then. :pac:

end of the road · 03-02-2014 08:59PM

efb wrote: »

There are laws regarding how alcohol use can be broadcast on tv this needs to be extended to the internet to protect our vulnerable citizens

can't be and won't be done as its unenforcable in relation to the internet

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-02-2014 09:10PM

RTE news just quoted some irish judge who said neknomination's will soon to be blame for rape and homicide.

Then some clown comes on saying it's a great opportunity to increase alcohol prices.

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end of the road · 03-02-2014 09:12PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

It's now to the point that people are looked at differently when it's discovered that they smoke.

but thats a problem also, much of the people who look at smokers differently are bandwagoners who look at smokers differently because it makes them feel good and self righteous, i'm not saying you are one of such people by the way but just saying many are of that type

FizzleSticks · 03-02-2014 09:20PM

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PizzamanIRL · 03-02-2014 09:21PM

Here's a Random Act of Kindness video. Much better than that stupid neknomination.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152252886521934

Outkast_IRE · 03-02-2014 09:24PM

nm wrote: »

RTE news just quoted some irish judge who said neknomination's will soon to be blame for rape and homicide.

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It was taken out of context I heard him on the radio earlier, he was saying he has seen several cases recently where young males have drunk far too much and it has resulted in either a rape or homicide, all in cases where the young person in question has no priors and is from a decent background.

He was saying how binge drinking can unfortunately occasionally lead to such cases.

papu · 03-02-2014 09:26PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

It was taken out of context I heard him on the radio earlier, he was saying he has seen several cases recently where young males have drunk far too much and it has resulted in either a rape or homicide, all in cases where the young person in question has no priors and is from a decent background.

He was saying how binge drinking can unfortunately occasionally lead to such cases.

Binge Drinking =/ downing a pint.

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