Philip Seymour Hoffman has died

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 05:13PM

He was a Junkie and killed himself essentially.
He only cared about himself in he was shooting up on smack which is a self centered drug.
He has wasted his talent and destroyed his family and the ones that love him.
Fantastic actor, but unfortunately he was a stupid ****in Junkie too.

03-02-2014 05:21PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

He was a Junkie and killed himself essentially.
He only cared about himself in he was shooting up on smack which is a self centered drug.
He has wasted his talent and destroyed his family and the ones that love him.
Fantastic actor, but unfortunately he was a stupid ****in Junkie too.

Wow, someone is up on their high horse. Hoffman had a history of substance abuse but had successfully battled it for a long time, sadly the addictive nature of drugs meant that he relapsed. You see him as a junkie not deserving of sympathy but to most he was a tortured soul who tried his best but sadly wasn't strong enough. It's a stupid waste of a life that had so much more to give but I don't think you are in any position to judge him

tunguska · 03-02-2014 05:27PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

He was a Junkie and killed himself essentially.
He only cared about himself in he was shooting up on smack which is a self centered drug.
He has wasted his talent and destroyed his family and the ones that love him.
Fantastic actor, but unfortunately he was a stupid ****in Junkie too.

Ye what? Give over with the feckin' judgement will you. He had a drug problem end of story. Calling him a ****ing junkie and saying he only cared about himself is pathetic, you didnt know the man personally so you dont know the ins and outs of his life.
Genuinely shocked by this, thought Phillip seymour Hoffman was one of the greatest actors knocking around in this era. Was just watching Charlie Wilson's war the other night and he was off just so good.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 05:32PM

This is the first time the death of a celebrity actually affected me. Sad news.

I can't think of another actor with his range. Few rival him as an actor.

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 05:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow, someone is up on their high horse. Hoffman had a history of substance abuse but had successfully battled it for a long time, sadly the addictive nature of drugs meant that he relapsed. You see him as a junkie not deserving of sympathy but to most he was a tortured soul who tried his best but sadly wasn't strong enough. It's a stupid waste of a life that had so much more to give but I don't think you are in any position to judge him

I don't think anyone of us are in a position to judge him, if he was some lad in town skagged out on the smack u would have no sympathy for him but because he was an outstanding actor and people love the cult of celebrity u give him all the sympathy in the world where in fact your sympathy should be with his kids partner and friends.
He was the person who injected the smack into his own veins he knew the risk, he knew that this may kill him and deprive us the world, his family of him, so I see it as a selfish act committed by a Junkie.

03-02-2014 05:48PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

I don't think anyone of us are in a position to judge him, if he was some lad in town skagged out on the smack u would have no sympathy for him but because he was an outstanding actor and people love the cult of celebrity u give him all the sympathy in the world where in fact your sympathy should be with his kids partner and friends.
He was the person who injected the smack into his own veins he knew the risk, he knew that this may kill him and deprive us the world, his family of him, so I see it as a selfish act committed by a Junkie.

For someone who doesn't think anyone is in a position to judge him, you sure are doing a lot of judging.

Difference between someone like Hoffman and a smack addict hanging around the Luas stops hassling people for money is that Hoffman actually did something with his life. He didn't allow his addiction to define him and strived to better himself and when he couldn't get over his addiction he sought help. If some junkie who never accomplished anything with their life dies in a gutter then it's sad but honest I don't give it more than a moments thought. When someone I have huge respect for as an actor dies, possibly from ODing then I give it more than a moments thought. Both acts are sad but one is far more affecting than the other. It's nothing to do with the "cult of celebrity" or any nonsense like that.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 05:49PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

I don't think anyone of us are in a position to judge him, if he was some lad in town skagged out on the smack u would have no sympathy for him but because he was an outstanding actor and people love the cult of celebrity u give him all the sympathy in the world where in fact your sympathy should be with his kids partner and friends.
He was the person who injected the smack into his own veins he knew the risk, he knew that this may kill him and deprive us the world, his family of him, so I see it as a selfish act committed by a Junkie.

No Luke. YOU would have no sympathy for that lad in town. Don't presume that everyone is as heartless as you.

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 05:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For someone who doesn't think anyone is in a position to judge him, you sure are doing a lot of judging.

Difference between someone like Hoffman and a smack addict hanging around the Luas stops hassling people for money is that Hoffman actually did something with his life. He didn't allow his addiction to define him and strived to better himself and when he couldn't get over his addiction he sought help. If some junkie who never accomplished anything with their life dies in a gutter then it's sad but honest I don't give it more than a moments thought. When someone I have huge respect for as an actor dies, possibly from ODing then I give it more than a moments thought. Both acts are sad but one is far more affecting than the other. It's nothing to do with the "cult of celebrity" or any nonsense like that.

Unfortunately his addiction will define him, people will say that he died with a needle in his arm as a post script to everything written about him from now on.
It is also completely tragic that he was so talented and blew it all by selfishly taking smack and od'ing.
Such a waste of a talent.

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 05:56PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

No Luke. YOU would have no sympathy for that lad in town. Don't presume that everyone is as heartless as you.

Do u stop every time u see a Junkie to offer them money so that they can spend that money on their habit if so well done in helping the Junkie to get high, again.

03-02-2014 05:58PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

Unfortunately his addiction will define him, people will say that he died with a needle in his arm as a post script to everything written about him from now on.
It is also completely tragic that he was so talented and blew it all by selfishly taking smack and od'ing.
Such a waste of a talent.

Now it wont, his body of work is what will define him. Only those who revel in tabloid trash will use his death as way of defining him. Do remember that until an autopsy is performed cause of death is only a guess.

Plenty of great artists have died as a result of drugs and none are defined by how they died, hell Elvis died on the toilet and when people look at his legacy they don't bring that fact up.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 06:00PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

Do u stop every time u see a Junkie to offer them money so that they can spend that money on their habit if so well done in helping the Junkie to get high, again.

I would truly hate to see the world with your eyes.

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 06:01PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

I would truly hate to see the world with your eyes.

What? how the world really is?

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 06:07PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

What? how the world really is?

No such thing. Read a philosophy book, ffs...

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 06:13PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

No such thing. Read a philosophy book, ffs...

Ok, let's break this down, what do u think a Junkie does when he gets money off someone?
Put a down payment on a house?
I think not.
Mr. Hoffman was an amazing actor with an addiction problem if it was booze he would be an alcoholic but it was smack so he is a Junkie which is a shame.
As I said your sympathy should be with his family and friends, who must have mixed emotions of loss and why did he do this to himself, yes he did it to himself.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 06:15PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

Ok, let's break this down, what do u think a Junkie does when he gets money off someone?
Put a down payment on a house?
I think not.
Mr. Hoffman was an amazing actor with an addiction problem if it was booze he would be an alcoholic but it was smack so he is a Junkie which is a shame.
As I said your sympathy should be with his family and friends, who must have mixed emotions of loss and why did he do this to himself, yes he did it to himself.

I donate money to Simon, I don't give money to the homeless.

You seemed to have toned your rhetoric down a bit. Good.

bnt · 03-02-2014 06:17PM

In case anyone's wondering about The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, FirstShowing is reporting that PSH already filmed the bulk of his scenes:

There were only seven days left to shoot on the second part of the production, and it will not be necessary to recast Hoffman's role as Plutarch Heavensbee. In addition, the release dates for both parts of the film, slated for November 21st and November 20th of 2014 and 2015 respectively, will not be changed either.

I haven't read any reactions from the cast there - I imagine Jennifer Lawrence is devastated.

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 06:20PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

I donate money to Simon, I don't give money to the homeless.

You seemed to have toned your rhetoric down a bit. Good.

Eh I'm still saying the same thing.
Why don't u give money to the homeless?
What's wrong with them?

Da Shins Kelly · 03-02-2014 06:25PM

There are countless artists who have died as a result of drugs or drink. People have sh*t they can't deal with, mental health issues, whatever it may be. Life is hard. Someone like PSH won't be defined by how he died because he was more than someone with a drug problem. He was a great talent who has left a brilliant body of work behind.

And I really resent all this talk of "it's a waste". Nothing at all wasteful about his life. He accomplished far more than the people who are trotting out that line are ever going to accomplish.

If he'd hung himself or something people wouldn't be so eager to jump in with their judgements, they'd just accept that sometimes the hard end of life gets the better of people.

It's not like he didn't try either. 23 years clean. Not many make it to that. Obviously something triggered a relapse. Who knows what?

Some deleted scenes from The Master, if anyone's interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTTb1AC8LRA

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 06:28PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

Eh I'm still saying the same thing.
Why don't u give money to the homeless?
What's wrong with them?

You don't know what I said. Now, go away, little boy.

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 06:29PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

There are countless artists who have died as a result of drugs or drink. People have sh*t they can't deal with, mental health issues, whatever it may be. Life is hard. Someone like PSH won't be defined by how he died because he was more than someone with a drug problem. He was a great talent who has left a brilliant body of work behind.

And I really resent all this talk of "it's a waste". Nothing at all wasteful about his life. He accomplished far more than the people who are trotting out that line are ever going to accomplish.

If he'd hung himself or something people wouldn't be so eager to jump in with their judgements, they'd just accept that sometimes the hard end of life gets the better of people.

It's not like he didn't try either. 23 years clean. Not many make it to that. Obviously something triggered a relapse. Who knows what?

Some deleted scenes from The Master, if anyone's interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTTb1AC8LRA

He died young he could have made more amazing films. Dying of a heroin overdose is very close to suicide it's self inflicted no one forced him to do it he did it himself.

03-02-2014 06:32PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

He died young he could have made more amazing films. Dying of a heroin overdose is very close to suicide it's self inflicted no one forced him to do it he did it himself.

Honestly you're coming across like a bit of an idiot. Suicide and shooting heroin are not the same thing. To ever try and argue that they are alike is pointless as you're wrong. Are you saying that everyone who ODs on heroin was trying to kill themselves?

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 06:33PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

You don't know what I said. Now, go away, little boy.

I quoted u and everything saying u don't give money to homeless people u give it to Simon, and I asked u why not homeless people, are all homeless people Junkies?
I don't need to go on boards and tell the Internet that I donate money to Simon.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 06:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly you're coming across like a bit of an idiot. Suicide and shooting heroin are not the same thing. To ever try and argue that they are alike is pointless as you're wrong. Are you saying that everyone who ODs on heroin was trying to kill themselves?

Darko man, you just don't see the world for what it is.

Lukehandypants · 03-02-2014 06:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly you're coming across like a bit of an idiot. Suicide and shooting heroin are not the same thing. To ever try and argue that they are alike is pointless as you're wrong. Are you saying that everyone who ODs on heroin was trying to kill themselves?

Nope I'm not, but it must be in the back of their minds that by doing heroin there is a risk it may kill them.
It would be in the back of my mind if I ever took heroin.

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2014 06:38PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

Eh I'm still saying the same thing.
Why don't u give money to the homeless?
What's wrong with them?

as steve hughes said "why would you give money to the homeless, they'd only spend it on drugs, give it to us (registered charity) we'll make sure they get it" lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6kl17HH9s

03-02-2014 06:38PM

Lukehandypants wrote: »

Nope I'm not, but it must be in the back of their minds that by doing heroin there is a risk it may kill them.
It would be in the back of my mind if I ever took heroin.

Every time I get into a car there's a risk. Every time I have that "one more beer" there's a risk. Every time I cross the street there's a risk. There is inherent risk to every aspect of our daily lives so how do you think we should live?, doesn't mean that if we die in a car crash that it's close to suicide.

SherlockWatson · 03-02-2014 06:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you saying that everyone who ODs on heroin was trying to kill themselves?

Bit strawman there.

Are you saying that someone taking copious amounts of heroine, doesn't at least think there's a risk of dying?

I find it hard to have sympathy for someone who takes OD's like this.

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2014 06:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly you're coming across like a bit of an idiot. Suicide and shooting heroin are not the same thing. To ever try and argue that they are alike is pointless as you're wrong. Are you saying that everyone who ODs on heroin was trying to kill themselves?

Suicide and drugs are linked....

SherlockWatson · 03-02-2014 06:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Every time I get into a car there's a risk. Every time I have that "one more beer" there's a risk. Every time I cross the street there's a risk. There is inherent risk to every aspect of our daily lives so how do you think we should live?, doesn't mean that if we die in a car crash that it's close to suicide.

You're coming across as a big big idiot if you are comparing shooting heroine to getting into a car, Jesus christ like.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 03-02-2014 06:40PM

That's the cold hard truth about life. Its just one unconnected decision after another. As if everyone is like that guy in Memento. Living life in two minute bursts. Everyone starting life on equal footing. No past. No memory.

We're through the looking glass here, people.

Philip Seymour Hoffman has died

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