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Iona vs Panti

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  • #602
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Stark wrote: »
    "Did you not oppose decriminalisation of homosexuality?"
    *Stutters* "I'm not that old!"
    "It was 1993".

    Brilliant :D

    Who is she? They had to dig deep into the barrel to find a non-Iona opponent by the looks of it.

    I'm about 12 minutes behind reality, btw ;) (pausing live TV)

    Noel Whelan is coming out with some crap. Yeah, his commitment to equality is really shining through :rolleyes:

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #603
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hopefully the quid pro quo for the Iona payoff is that RTE will now choose not to have them on, or mentioned on TV, at all.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #604
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Hopefully the quid pro quo for the Iona payoff is that RTE will now choose not to have them on, or mentioned on TV, at all.

    That'd be awesome. Maybe the Lord does work in mysterious ways.


  • #605
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Hopefully the quid pro quo for the Iona payoff is that RTE will now choose not to have them on, or mentioned on TV, at all.

    One can dream.


  • #606
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If I was 20 years younger, and not heterosexual, I might think O'Brien Jr would be quite the catch :pac:

    although - mother in law problems - I'm turned right off now

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • #607
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    ninja900 wrote: »
    If I was 20 years younger, and not heterosexual, I might think O'Brien Jr would be quite the catch :pac:

    although - mother in law problems - I'm turned right off now

    Read some of his articles. Then come back and say that. :p


  • #608
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    noel whelan essentially says "to equate discrimination with homophobia is the problem."

    tumblr_mqvvo5YvWS1sblmd3o2_1280.jpg

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #609
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Stark wrote: »
    "Did you not oppose decriminalisation of homosexuality?"
    *Stutters* "I'm not that old!"
    "It was 1993".

    Brilliant :D

    https://twitter.com/charlytwits/status/429758124749123584/photo/1

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #610
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    She can't remember it. :rolleyes:


    EDIT : SNAP!


  • #611
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Oi, the baggage speaks only of 'buggery and sodomy'... where are the ladygay practices?? Inequality, I tell you!! :)


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  • #612
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    well done to Colm and Averil for getting in straight away when it was stated that Iona + Waters were vindicated by virtue of the payoff and making it perfectly clear that was not correct.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #613
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    And well said to the man who related his own experiences of homophobia which nearly turned to serious violence against him. Others have fared much worse.

    Some like to argue in abstract terms as if their views can never adversely influence others - but the ugliness that happens 'on the street' only reflects the ugliness within the hearts of our more 'refined' middle-class 'respectable' 'pillars of society' bigots. I'm sure some eastern philosopher or other has reflected upon the moral equivalence of raising an angry thought and an angry word and an angry fist.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #614
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Susans message of the night was, "I want freedom of opinion but those who disagree with me can't call me on it." :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #615
    FouxDaFaFa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    I'm so angry after that.

    If Susan Phillips is so at ease with her beliefs that she just wants to express you meanies why wasn't she comfortable saying she opposed the decriminalisation of homosexuality?

    I think I would have more respect for her if she just came out and said "I'm uncomfortable with gay people.They're not normal. I don't want them to be able to marry" rather than all this "I'm a traditionalist" BS.


  • #616
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Traditionalists also didn't want her to have the vote or work outside the home.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #617
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    SW wrote: »
    Traditionalists also didn't want her to have the vote or work outside the home.

    Careful now, some folk would traditionally regard pointing out facts like that as a kind of hate mail...


  • #618
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    SW wrote: »
    Traditionalists also didn't want her to have the vote or work outside the home.

    Could we just vote to prevent just Susan Philips from having a vote? I'm that sort of traditionalist.


  • #619
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    P_1 wrote: »
    Careful now, some folk would traditionally regard pointing out facts like that as a kind of hate mail...

    they must hate the ESB :P

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #620
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    SW wrote: »
    they must hate the ESB :P

    AKA EirGrid - your statement is correct :rolleyes:

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #621
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I'm so angry after that.

    If Susan Phillips is so at ease with her beliefs that she just wants to express you meanies why wasn't she comfortable saying she opposed the decriminalisation of homosexuality?

    Because her moral absolutes don't look so good now in the light of popular opinion, so other moral absolutes must be chosen as the next line of battle.

    It's like the Germans in Italy preparing defensive line after defensive line, when they already knew the war was ultimately lost and they had no moral ground to fight in the first place.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • #622
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,969 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Well, I'm off to set up the Institute of Phomohobia.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #623
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    It actually worked against Iona + Waters not appearing on the show tonight. The anti-marriage equality crew was represented by someone more extreme, in that she supported homosexuality remaining illegal.

    Homophobia amongst the anti-marriage equality people gain traction tonight.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #624
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Black Oil wrote: »
    Well, I'm off to set up the Institute of Phomohobia.

    Is it dax-teductible?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #625
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Could we just vote to prevent just Susan Philips from having a vote? I'm that sort of traditionalist.

    No

    Give her a voice and please keep her coming back onto tv. We need to show that this is the level of hatred against lgbt people and that she lies as well

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #626
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,177 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    But she's a woman. Letting her have the vote goes against traditional values!


  • #627
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,250 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    SW wrote: »
    It actually worked against Iona + Waters not appearing on the show tonight.

    It probably would've been much worse for them if they had appeared. They were advised to decline, and no doubt this was by people who know what they're doing in relation to the media.
    I think if they'd showed up against rational, capable, experienced speakers like Colm O'Gorman they'd have been totally shown up in short order.

    Much easier to just ignore it and then go back to their publication-is-guaranteed-no-matter-what-crap-we-write columns in the national newspapers.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #628
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    vitani wrote: »
    In fairness to him, those emails he quotes are abhorrent

    I'd be very slow to believe that the address those emails were sent from didn't end in "@iona.ie" or equivalent.

    This kind of thing is very much reminiscent of when Shrub first stole the White House and his staffers spent the best part of a week spreading a lie that the outgoing Clinton administration thrashed the building, including spreading faeces around the place and destroying all communications equipment, try to deflect attention away from your wrongdoing by spreading lies about the opposition doing wrong.


  • #629
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    mango salsa wrote: »
    No

    Give her a voice and please keep her coming back onto tv. We need to show that this is the level of hatred against lgbt people and that she lies as well

    Joking of course, she unwittingly does a wonderful job for marriage equality. At one point she seemed to argue in favour of banning the word equality.

    In regards to O Connor's handling of the program that he ignored every word that was said including Buzz' and concluded with 'so we won't use the word homophobic in future debates'. It was as if he was trying to retain his job.


  • #630
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Panti tonight in the Abbey. So well said
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152205840339855


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  • #631
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    I agree with this article. The underlying issue is the poor protections for free speech under Irish law.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/free-speech-and-not-gay-marriage-is-real-issue-here-29971583.html


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