"Irish Language part of the Republican Agenda" according to Orange Order

Frank Lee Midere · 01-02-2014 11:50PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

When did I ever say the previous population was exterminated? Please try and read the conversation before you label people's posts are "crap". My post was in response to a poster who claimed Irish was our original language.

Why would a language disappear unless it was due to an external threat. English want the ancestral language of people who live now in the Enhland and were there 1,500 years ago. They spoke some britonic language or Latin. Because the Anglo Saxons came....

thecatspjs · 01-02-2014 11:51PM

What language did the dinosaurs speak?

Frank Lee Midere · 01-02-2014 11:54PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.

Not that 2000 years of history doesn't matter but do you think that the "pre-Irish" speakers accessed the Internet to learn Irish or was it a gradual process? I doubt the idea that languages just disappear. Languages change, they don't disappear without external infiltration or genocide.

P. Breathnach · 01-02-2014 11:54PM

thecatspjs wrote: »

What language did the dinosaurs speak?

Ulster-Scots.

Iwasfrozen · 01-02-2014 11:55PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Why would a language disappear unless it was due to an external threat. English want the ancestral language of people who live now in the Enhland and were there 1,500 years ago. They spoke some britonic language or Latin. Because the Anglo Saxons came....

Trade, a change in culture, migration of celtic speakers who brought new technologies. Maybe there was fighting, it's before recorded time so our knowledge of he period is scarce.

But we definitely know Irish was not the original language of Ireland which was the reason for this little side track in the first place.

EuskalHerria · 02-02-2014 12:03AM

A video of the interview with an appropriate end.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=210335605838065

Dyr · 02-02-2014 12:03AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.

if you want play the contrarian prick game, we could start pointing out the use of the term "ireland" is not relevant to what was going on 3500 years ago

Iwasfrozen · 02-02-2014 12:05AM

Bambi wrote: »

if you want play the contrarian prick game, we could start pointing out the use of the term "ireland" is not relevant to what was going on 3500 years ago

You could indeed!

Karl Stein · 02-02-2014 12:07AM

Bambi wrote: »

if you want play the contrarian prick game

Just ignore. He gets his kicks out of trying to wind up anyone remotely Nationalist or Republican. It's a pretty sad way of getting a buzz out of life really.

Frank Lee Midere · 02-02-2014 12:40AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Trade, a change in culture, migration of celtic speakers who brought new technologies. Maybe there was fighting, it's before recorded time so our knowledge of he period is scarce.

But we definitely know Irish was not the original language of Ireland which was the reason for this little side track in the first place.

No we don't. No language is absolutely replaced without invasion. You've just linked to two unrelated wiki entries to prove a ridiculous position. Even if people in Ireland adapted to indo European languages so much that peope in 1000 bc would not understand people in 0 AD that's generally a language evolution.

As for the northern colonialist who doesn't like the indigenous people and their language, of course not.

The Backwards Man · 02-02-2014 12:48AM

In my area the students from the Protestant primary school consistently earn the highest marks in Irish when they go on to do the Leaving Cert.

anncoates · 02-02-2014 01:01AM

The loyalists only studied Irish so they could eavesdrop IRA conversations in the Maze. :pac:

Filibuster · 02-02-2014 01:09AM

The North has enough problems without gaelgoir terrorists sticking their boot in.

My name is URL · 02-02-2014 01:41AM

Filibuster wrote: »

The North has enough problems without gaelgoir terrorists sticking their boot in.

Perfect example of the sort of idiotic comment that perpetuates such division

Stained Class · 02-02-2014 01:42AM

thecatspjs wrote: »

What language did the dinosaurs speak?

Tyrannirishsaurus rex.

astonaidan · 02-02-2014 02:06AM

After getting glassed for refusing to have a conversation about religion by a protestant, Ive decided that Orange Order are nothing but a group off trouble making scum bags whos opinion on anything in invalid

Skylinehead · 02-02-2014 02:43AM

Maybe they just want their own language instead:

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/Visit-and-Learning/Information-Leaflets/Ulster-Scots/

:pac:

feargale · 02-02-2014 02:44AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.

Yes, and nobody knows what language was spoken here before the unknown pre-Celtic language arrived.
And Welsh or something akin to it was spoken in England before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. Wait, I think we're onto something - Welsh as their language ( the English, I mean.)

Jim van Morrison · 02-02-2014 02:47AM

Speak me an Irish go bra, go bra enough gur take amach an piss le cur se san English mar seo.

Karl Stein · 02-02-2014 03:00AM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Maybe they just want their own language instead:

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/Visit-and-Learning/Information-Leaflets/Ulster-Scots/

:pac:

What the hell is up with that? It's like 'let's spell English funny and present it as a language'.

Jim van Morrison · 02-02-2014 03:05AM

Ulster "Scotch"? I always assumed it was a version of English that had been corrupted by our own "natives". Turns out the righteous Lowlanders were talking shite long before they got here.

Skylinehead · 02-02-2014 03:08AM

Charles Rocher wrote: »

What the hell is up with that? It's like 'let's spell English funny and present it as a language'.

Bizarre isn't it? Nearly reads like phonetic English in the heaviest Northern Irish accent possible.

Fred Swanson · 02-02-2014 03:12AM

This post has been deleted.

Karl Stein · 02-02-2014 03:15AM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Bizarre isn't it? Nearly reads like phonetic English in the heaviest Northern Irish accent possible.

That's it though, if I heard someone speaking Ulster Scots I'd know what they're saying having grown up there. If I heard people conversing in Irish I wouldn't have a clue what they're on about because it's an actual different language

Iwasfrozen · 02-02-2014 03:02PM

Charles Rocher wrote: »

Just ignore. He gets his kicks out of trying to wind up anyone remotely Nationalist or Republican. It's a pretty sad way of getting a buzz out of life really.

I'm done rising to you. I'd rather just ignore your outbursts at this stage.

Iwasfrozen · 02-02-2014 03:05PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

No we don't. No language is absolutely replaced without invasion. You've just linked to two unrelated wiki entries to prove a ridiculous position. Even if people in Ireland adapted to indo European languages so much that peope in 1000 bc would not understand people in 0 AD that's generally a language evolution.

As for the northern colonialist who doesn't like the indigenous people and their language, of course not.

I don't know how Irish arrived in Ireland, no one does you can hypothesise if you like but it doesn't change the reality that Irish is no the original language of this island.

feargale wrote: »

Yes, and nobody knows what language was spoken here before the unknown pre-Celtic language arrived.
And Welsh or something akin to it was spoken in England before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. Wait, I think we're onto something - Welsh as their language ( the English, I mean.)

Exactly, to say Irish is the original language people spoke here is frankly ridiculous.

pablomakaveli · 02-02-2014 03:13PM

It's funny how loyalists throw their toys out of the pram when they feel their "culture" is under threat (i.e the fleg protests) yet are happy to insult and ridicule and attack Irish culture.

Dyr · 02-02-2014 03:59PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Exactly, to say Irish is the original language people spoke here is frankly ridiculous.

For someone basing an argument on utter pedantry, your making an obvious mistake

He said "irish is our original language"

not "irish is the original language people spoke here"

given that "we" are irish and not ****ing formorian or whatever you want to call some stone age mong, he is correct and you're talking out of your hoop

Do carry on lads.

Iwasfrozen · 02-02-2014 04:08PM

Bambi wrote: »

For someone basing an argument on utter pedantry, your making an obvious mistake

He said "irish is our original language"

not "irish is the original language people spoke here"

given that "we" are irish and not ****ing formorian or whatever you want to call some stone age mong, he is correct and you're talking out of your hoop

Do carry on lads.

So from that I take it you attribute identity and language purely on ethnic lines? For example if Irish is to be considered the original language of the Irish people then the previous bronze age people who lived here but did not speak Irish wouldn't be considered Irish.

Why would you not consider these bronze age people to be Irish? Is it because they didn't speak Irish? But if that's the only reason we wouldn't be Irish either.

I don't see any justifiable reason you could consider the pre ogham people of Ireland to be anything other than Irish.

Karl Stein · 02-02-2014 04:18PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

"Irish Language part of the Republican Agenda" according to Orange Order

Comments