"Irish Language part of the Republican Agenda" according to Orange Order

Foxhound38

Because apparently learning a language and supporting the provos are the same thing...

Stuff like this makes me glad the border is there - we have more than enough of our own lunatics down here without adding the ones they have up north to the pile!

wazky

Its the OO, they spend their summers lobbing pieces of patio at police lines, what did you expect?

Hande hoche!

I thought they were busy ripping off super heroes?

Karl Stein

Protestants have as much right to learn Irish as any other person north or south.

"A word of warning to Protestants who go to learn Irish ... it's part of the republican agenda''

As if learning Irish will somehow turn union/loyalist Protestants into rabid Republicans.

This sectarian drooler just despises the idea that we might all get along some time.

Iwasfrozen

I don't have much time for the OO but he has a point about the politicisation of the Irish language by nationalists and the impact this is having on unionist speakers.

thecatspjs

I wish we all spoke Irish all the time.

shruikan2553

So only protestants are susceptible to the republican agenda? The ability to speak Irish does tend to cause "I'm more Irish than you syndrome" but it has been reported other religions outside of protestantism can develop it.

AllGunsBlazing

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Stuff like this makes me glad the border is there - we have more than enough of our own lunatics down here without adding the ones they have up north to the pile!

Is there some sort of high wall or moat that I'm unaware of which impedes said lunatics from travelling down south?

EuskalHerria

Obviously a response to the growing number of unionists looking to learn the Irish language.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/growing-appetite-among-protestant-unionist-and-loyalist-people-to-learn-irish-language-says-wife-of-former-pup-leader-29901196.html

It's always great to see regressive organisations putting forward ludicrousness and paranoia as their position.

Karl Stein

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Is there some sort of high wall...

The wall is so massive that migrating Geese have to fly around the ends of it.

thecatspjs

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Is there some sort of high wall or moat that I'm unaware of which impedes said lunatics from travelling down south?

Nope, but there's signs covered in fadas. Freaks them out and sends them scuttling back north.

Albertofrog

So Gusty Spence (ex head of the UVF) and Diane Irvine (wife of David Irvine) are republicans.
Must be news to them.
Idiots.

My name is URL

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't have much time for the OO but he has a point about the politicisation of the Irish language by nationalists and the impact this is having on unionist speakers.

I know a couple of people from the north who would see themselves as unionist yet are fluent in the language. Whereas I see myself as republican and can't speak a word of it, nor do I want to.

This leads me to believe that the whole label of 'politics' applied by others to the language is vastly overblown =p

The ones politicising it are those who keep going on about it in a political sense. In this case, the OO. They want it to be politicised because it suits their viewpoint, and gives them reason to bleat on about how it's part of someone else's agenda. Never their own though.. is it?!

david75

I should hope it is. It is our original language after all.

Days 298

People have politicized the language to its detriment. Nothing new for a bigoted xenophobic organisation to give out

Iwasfrozen

My name is URL wrote: »

I know a couple of people from the north who would see themselves as unionist yet are fluent in the language. Whereas I see myself as republican and can't speak a word of it, nor do I want to.

This leads me to believe that the whole label of 'politics' applied by others to the language is vastly overblown =p

The ones politicising it are those who keep going on about it in a political sense. In this case, the OO. They want it to be politicised because it suits their viewpoint, and gives them reason to bleat on about how it's part of someone else's agenda. Never their own though.. is it?!

I think you have a point on the OO wanting to politicise the language for their own purpose to create division and emphasise the cultural difference between the two Irelands but conversely nationalists have been using the language for years to try foster a national identity distinct from England for years before them.

A language should be a neutral tool of communication but in the real world they're often hijacked by certain groups for their own political agenda. Chittick is responding disproportionally to what he sees as a threat to his culture. I don't think he has any genuine dislike of the language, in fact he even mentions his predecessor spoke it.

Iwasfrozen

david75 wrote: »

I should hope it is. It is our original language after all.

No it isn't.

It's ironic that the first people who tried to revive the language over 120 years ago were protestants.

Banjo String

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No it isn't.

Fcuk. That's right. It was Samoan.

david75

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No it isn't.

Gwan. Enlighten me.

david75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's ironic that the first people who tried to revive the language over 120 years ago were protestants.

They were also the ones to try stamp it out initially.

Iwasfrozen

david75 wrote: »

Gwan. Enlighten me.

No one knows what language the people of pre celtic Ireland spoke.

Banjo String

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No one knows what language the people of pre celtic Ireland spoke.

Maybe they spoke Irish.

david75

david75 wrote: »

They were also the ones to try stamp it out initially.

No that was the (Cromwellian) republicans.

Iwasfrozen

Banjo String wrote: »

Maybe they spoke Irish.

Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.

Nodin

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

............

A language should be a neutral tool of communication but in the real world they're often hijacked by certain groups for their own political agenda. Chittick is responding disproportionally to what he sees as a threat to his culture. I don't think he has any genuine dislike of the language, in fact he even mentions his predecessor spoke it.

He also brings in comparisons with Hitlers takeover of the Sudetenland. Evidently he's just full of warmth.

david75

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.

By those lights you don't know they didn't.

Frank Lee Midere

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.

Utter nonsense. The celts didn't come. ( we aren't really celts). The previous people were not exterminated. What crap.

Iwasfrozen

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Utter nonsense. The celts didn't come. ( we aren't really celts). The previous people were not exterminated. What crap.

When did I ever say the previous population was exterminated? Please try and read the conversation before you label people's posts are "crap". My post was in response to a poster who claimed Irish was our original language.

Iwasfrozen

david75 wrote: »

By those lights you don't know they didn't.

The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.

Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.

Who knows what caused the language shift or was it a population replacement/assimilation back then as it was before recorded history.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the original point of this thread though.

Frank Lee Midere

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

When did I ever say the previous population was exterminated? Please try and read the conversation before you label people's posts are "crap". My post was in response to a poster who claimed Irish was our original language.

Why would a language disappear unless it was due to an external threat. English want the ancestral language of people who live now in the Enhland and were there 1,500 years ago. They spoke some britonic language or Latin. Because the Anglo Saxons came....

thecatspjs

What language did the dinosaurs speak?

Frank Lee Midere

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.

Not that 2000 years of history doesn't matter but do you think that the "pre-Irish" speakers accessed the Internet to learn Irish or was it a gradual process? I doubt the idea that languages just disappear. Languages change, they don't disappear without external infiltration or genocide.

P. Breathnach

thecatspjs wrote: »

What language did the dinosaurs speak?

Ulster-Scots.

Iwasfrozen

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Why would a language disappear unless it was due to an external threat. English want the ancestral language of people who live now in the Enhland and were there 1,500 years ago. They spoke some britonic language or Latin. Because the Anglo Saxons came....

Trade, a change in culture, migration of celtic speakers who brought new technologies. Maybe there was fighting, it's before recorded time so our knowledge of he period is scarce.

But we definitely know Irish was not the original language of Ireland which was the reason for this little side track in the first place.

EuskalHerria

A video of the interview with an appropriate end.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=210335605838065

Dyr

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.

if you want play the contrarian prick game, we could start pointing out the use of the term "ireland" is not relevant to what was going on 3500 years ago

Iwasfrozen

Bambi wrote: »

if you want play the contrarian prick game, we could start pointing out the use of the term "ireland" is not relevant to what was going on 3500 years ago

You could indeed!

Karl Stein

Bambi wrote: »

if you want play the contrarian prick game

Just ignore. He gets his kicks out of trying to wind up anyone remotely Nationalist or Republican. It's a pretty sad way of getting a buzz out of life really.

Frank Lee Midere

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Trade, a change in culture, migration of celtic speakers who brought new technologies. Maybe there was fighting, it's before recorded time so our knowledge of he period is scarce.

But we definitely know Irish was not the original language of Ireland which was the reason for this little side track in the first place.

No we don't. No language is absolutely replaced without invasion. You've just linked to two unrelated wiki entries to prove a ridiculous position. Even if people in Ireland adapted to indo European languages so much that peope in 1000 bc would not understand people in 0 AD that's generally a language evolution.

As for the northern colonialist who doesn't like the indigenous people and their language, of course not.

The Backwards Man

In my area the students from the Protestant primary school consistently earn the highest marks in Irish when they go on to do the Leaving Cert.

anncoates

The loyalists only studied Irish so they could eavesdrop IRA conversations in the Maze. :pac:

Filibuster

The North has enough problems without gaelgoir terrorists sticking their boot in.

My name is URL

Filibuster wrote: »

The North has enough problems without gaelgoir terrorists sticking their boot in.

Perfect example of the sort of idiotic comment that perpetuates such division

Stained Class

thecatspjs wrote: »

What language did the dinosaurs speak?

Tyrannirishsaurus rex.

astonaidan

After getting glassed for refusing to have a conversation about religion by a protestant, Ive decided that Orange Order are nothing but a group off trouble making scum bags whos opinion on anything in invalid

Skylinehead

Maybe they just want their own language instead:

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/Visit-and-Learning/Information-Leaflets/Ulster-Scots/

:pac:

feargale

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.

Yes, and nobody knows what language was spoken here before the unknown pre-Celtic language arrived.
And Welsh or something akin to it was spoken in England before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. Wait, I think we're onto something - Welsh as their language ( the English, I mean.)

Jim van Morrison

Speak me an Irish go bra, go bra enough gur take amach an piss le cur se san English mar seo.

Karl Stein

Skylinehead wrote: »

Maybe they just want their own language instead:

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/Visit-and-Learning/Information-Leaflets/Ulster-Scots/

:pac:

What the hell is up with that? It's like 'let's spell English funny and present it as a language'.