Amanda Knox retrial begins

shamrock55 · 31-01-2014 06:25PM

Saw her on american tv this morning and i think she is one shady lady, i mean if i was innocent the last place i would be is on tv, its like she feels the need to be on camera to spout her i am innocent bull**** to the world, now she may well be innocent and if she is whats happening to her is shocking, im just not fully convinced by her

tigger123 · 31-01-2014 06:30PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Saw her on american tv this morning and i think she is one shady lady, i mean if i was innocent the last place i would be is on tv, its like she feels the need to be on camera to spout her i am innocent bull**** to the world, now she may well be innocent and if she is whats happening to her is shocking, im just not fully convinced by her

Why should she avoid the media? If I was wrongly convicted of murder I'd be screaming from the rooftops about it.

Busted Flat. · 31-01-2014 06:32PM

Infini2 wrote: »

From what I've seen from the facts and such its quite possible that shes innnocent. The fact that the Italian legal system has notorious conflicts not to mention the fact that the DNA evidence in the case is shoddy at best as well as the fact that the crime scene was messed up fairly badly makes it difficult to believe shes anywhere near guilty. If anything she acted stupidly in the early days but being a twat doesnt neccessarily make her a murderer. Not to mention the fact that there IS an a convicted killer for Meredith already in jail for 16 years and who was convicted with strong evidence. Take into account shes been convicted with questionable evidence along with being aquitted then retrialled again and convicted with NO new evidence and its quite possible she is a victim in all this.

Fact is theres no strong evidence shown to say she was involved and neither is their any strong DNA links only shoddy links from items that would be picked up by anyone at anytime in the house back then. If their was a solid case in evidence that showed her there then yes I would agree with the sentence but from whats been presented so far it hasnt been solid to stand up to scrutiny so it looks like something else is at work.

What about her statements to the police.

robbieVan · 31-01-2014 06:36PM

she's obviously guilty , read into the whole case, experts say she has a lot of characteristics of a psycho too

Plus she also has an awful dose of crazy eyes

the_monkey · 31-01-2014 06:38PM

Interesting to see how Raffaele Sollecito will deal with prison, if they are guilty he could crack inside.

Wouldn't blame him either - him stuck inside for 25 years while Amanda is swanning about the USA making $$$ on her books.

Then again if he keeps appealing it could point to their innocence.

Hitchens · 31-01-2014 06:43PM

apart from all that, what d'ye think of her new hairstyle?

shamrock55 · 31-01-2014 07:03PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Why should she avoid the media? If I was wrongly convicted of murder I'd be screaming from the rooftops about it.

Nah, she just hears she has been sentenced to 28 yrs and there she is on tv, i just find that very strange indeed, she is a way too cool altogether, and when she gets emotional its so fake, its like really bad acting, i think she gets a great kick out of the media

Gatling · 31-01-2014 07:44PM

One of the worse trials I've ever come across ,

A couple of things if anybody was arrested in a foreign country and questioned for 12+ hours no breaks ,no anything. I'm sure most would do what was asked of them by the authorities ,

Ritualistic sexual killing is what they were calling,sounds like the police watched an 80's movie and decided that's what exactly happened why investigate at all ,

Now book deal I'm sure if this had happened to anyone on here and publishing companies came knocking and offered big money for your story you would turn it down or would you be spending the cash already I certainly would ,

Will she be extradited not a hope in hell ,

The Italians already convicted 10/12 US CIA operative's in absentia a couple of years back for a case involving extreme rendition of a suspected terrorist ,

Doubt any Americans will demand she be sent back

BQQ · 01-02-2014 03:23AM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

You've misunderstood then - you said the jury had better information than anyone else, ergo they should be trusted and therefore they are right and I'm wrong. That's what I was referring to - an argument from authority.

Fair enough. I took you up the wrong way there.

Seems pretty logical to me that the people in possession of the full facts are best placed to make judgments.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Well, I'm discussing the (considerable) evidence that is available and am offering opinions on it. You believe the truth is whatever the court of the day says it is. That's fine.

That's a bit disingenuous. I could just as easily say you believe the truth is the opposite of what the court of the day says it is.
I don't know what the truth is for a fact. You, however, seem to be convinced that you do.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I think the legal system is human and often fails to find the truth, as is the case here.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

There doesn't have to be a frame-job for a prosecution to pursue an innocent person.

But why would they pursue them when they have a confessed killer behind bars already?
The only reason I can think of is that they are convinced of their guilt.

MonaPizza · 01-02-2014 04:46AM

Infini2 wrote: »

From what I've seen from the facts and such its quite possible that shes innnocent. The fact that the Italian legal system has notorious conflicts not to mention the fact that the DNA evidence in the case is shoddy at best as well as the fact that the crime scene was messed up fairly badly makes it difficult to believe shes anywhere near guilty. If anything she acted stupidly in the early days but being a twat doesnt neccessarily make her a murderer. Not to mention the fact that there IS an a convicted killer for Meredith already in jail for 16 years and who was convicted with strong evidence. Take into account shes been convicted with questionable evidence along with being aquitted then retrialled again and convicted with NO new evidence and its quite possible she is a victim in all this.

Fact is theres no strong evidence shown to say she was involved and neither is their any strong DNA links only shoddy links from items that would be picked up by anyone at anytime in the house back then. If their was a solid case in evidence that showed her there then yes I would agree with the sentence but from whats been presented so far it hasnt been solid to stand up to scrutiny so it looks like something else is at work.

Could be something else at work.
What do you think that might be?

It's not a dig....I just was wondering what else might be at play, in your opinion?

MonaPizza · 01-02-2014 05:06AM

tigger123 wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that. In order for Knox to be extradited there would need to be a huge amount of cooperation by the US legal system, there's nothing automatic about it at all, it would be a long complex affair. I can't see the US handing her over, the political will to protect her would be far too great.

This is probably where you are mistaken. You see there are extradition treaties between countries, e.g. The UK and the US.....however there are stipulations. The UK, lapdog as she is to Washington will not extradite someone to the US who may face capital punishment.

Leaving all that aside, I have my own theory, and it's just a theory. The US has painted itself into a corner here. Harbour Knox, a convicted MURDERER, and you can't really bitch to others about Assange or Snowden who have technically done nothing illegal, let alone be tried, let alone be convicted;... not being extradited [no extradition treaty between US and Russia, btw]. Send her back to Italy to face 28 years and the US looks like it respects the rule of law and doesn't cum in the face of it's allies.

The Italians don't like to be insulted. Several CIA men were convicted in abstentia in an Italian court for abducting and torturing victims on Italian streets. These CIA men were demanded to be returned to Italy to face trial. No dice from Washington. There's also the American assassination attempt on Giulina Sgrena in which her bodyguard, Calipari, was riddled by American soldiers as she was trying to leave Iraq. Nobody brought to book. NONE.

So.....in my HUMBLE opinion, the Knox thing is just another attempt at levelling the diplomatic "fcuk-you-ery". The Italians barely bat an eyelid when their "Duce" rapes teenagers. They don't like it when Americans take the piss though.

Mickey H · 01-02-2014 05:11AM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Who knew Italian -> English translating is next to impossible!

Just ask Manuela Spinelli.

ebbsy · 01-02-2014 09:30AM

DexyDrain wrote: »

According to US legal opinion it's a case of formalities- http://www.businessinsider.com/amanda-knox-extradition-2014-1

That's a good read.

Arthur Beesley · 01-02-2014 10:52AM

What a joke of a judicial system the Italians have.

Speaking of extraditions, wasn't it the Italians who refused to send a couple of marines back when they mistakenly shot some fishermen they mistook for pirates off the coast of India.

Arthur Beesley · 01-02-2014 10:54AM

robbieVan wrote: »

she's obviously guilty , read into the whole case, experts say she has a lot of characteristics of a psycho too

Plus she also has an awful dose of crazy eyes

Obviously...doesn't matter that there is no evidence or motive etc.

Arthur Beesley · 01-02-2014 10:54AM

Hitchens wrote: »

apart from all that, what d'ye think of her new hairstyle?

Still would. Hot.

ebbsy · 01-02-2014 12:07PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

What a joke of a judicial system the Italians have.

Speaking of extraditions, wasn't it the Italians who refused to send a couple of marines back when they mistakenly shot some fishermen they mistook for pirates off the coast of India.

It might be a joke, but that's the system they have and everybody has to respect it. And that includes USA.

Whether they will or not remains to be seen.

tigger123 · 01-02-2014 12:11PM

MonaPizza wrote: »

This is probably where you are mistaken. You see there are extradition treaties between countries, e.g. The UK and the US.....however there are stipulations. The UK, lapdog as she is to Washington will not extradite someone to the US who may face capital punishment.

Leaving all that aside, I have my own theory, and it's just a theory. The US has painted itself into a corner here. Harbour Knox, a convicted MURDERER, and you can't really bitch to others about Assange or Snowden who have technically done nothing illegal, let alone be tried, let alone be convicted;... not being extradited [no extradition treaty between US and Russia, btw]. Send her back to Italy to face 28 years and the US looks like it respects the rule of law and doesn't cum in the face of it's allies.

The Italians don't like to be insulted. Several CIA men were convicted in abstentia in an Italian court for abducting and torturing victims on Italian streets. These CIA men were demanded to be returned to Italy to face trial. No dice from Washington. There's also the American assassination attempt on Giulina Sgrena in which her bodyguard, Calipari, was riddled by American soldiers as she was trying to leave Iraq. Nobody brought to book. NONE.

So.....in my HUMBLE opinion, the Knox thing is just another attempt at levelling the diplomatic "fcuk-you-ery". The Italians barely bat an eyelid when their "Duce" rapes teenagers. They don't like it when Americans take the piss though.

So, you're using examples of the US not cooperating with the Italian legal system to support the point that the US will cooperate with the Italian legal system.

The US is going to do what it wants, always has, always will. They'd have no problem denying Knox's extradition whilst pursuing Snowden et al.

Arthur Beesley · 01-02-2014 01:17PM

ebbsy wrote: »

It might be a joke, but that's the system they have and everybody has to respect it. And that includes USA.

Whether they will or not remains to be seen.

Countries refuse to extradite to the US if the death penalty is applicable. Don't see any issue with the US refusing extradition if the justice department decide this is a miscarriage of justice.

The whole case has been a joke from the start.

Hitchens · 01-02-2014 02:04PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Still would. Hot.

she way too pretty to send back yo!

Arthur Beesley · 01-02-2014 02:12PM

Hitchens wrote: »

she way too pretty to send back yo!

Word.

The Italians would probably force her to partake in those bunga bunga parties they have over there.

Pedro K · 01-02-2014 02:13PM

If the Americans had any decency at all they would immediately extradite her to Ireland to serve her sentence with me.

Temaz · 01-02-2014 02:50PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Why should she avoid the media? If I was wrongly convicted of murder I'd be screaming from the rooftops about it.

So would I. Although Casey Antohny has gone to ground in the states and we all know she did it. That's another discussion though!!

whirlpool · 01-02-2014 03:25PM

She comes across sooooo suspicious in any of the interviews I've watched. Including this week's GMA interview. SOO suspicious.

I haven't even begun to form an opinion about whether she's guilty or innocent.

Jimmy444 · 01-02-2014 05:49PM

whirlpool wrote: »

She comes across sooooo suspicious in any of the interviews I've watched. Including this week's GMA interview. SOO suspicious.

After watching a program on UTV this week (The Lying Game: Crimes that Fooled Britain) I'd be very slow to judge by appearances. It showed that it often turns out that liars are very convincing and people telling the truth seem suspicious.

Has anyone asked Keith Barry? Surely he could solve this all in two minutes talking with her?

whirlpool · 01-02-2014 07:14PM

Jimmy444 wrote: »

After watching a program on UTV this week (The Lying Game: Crimes that Fooled Britain) I'd be very slow to judge by appearances. It showed that it often turns out that liars are very convincing and people telling the truth seem suspicious.

Has anyone asked Keith Barry? Surely he could solve this all in two minutes talking with her?

I don't need to watch some show to tell me that. But yeah, that is the truth of it.

Merkin · 01-02-2014 07:17PM

Says here she could face detention in the U.S.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10611826/Amanda-Knox-could-face-detention-in-tough-US-jail.html

Da Shins Kelly · 01-02-2014 08:00PM

Don't know enough about the case to say whether she did it or not, but I just feel so sorry for Meredith Kercher's parents. It's a never-ending ordeal for them, all this to-ing and fro-ing and political nonsense going on. I doubt they'll ever really know the truth about what happened to Meredith, or why, and the blame for that lies firmly with the Italian judicial system.

I also find it disturbing that Rudy Guede, who certainly played a part in her murder if not carrying it out single-handedly, will be eligible for release this year.

mitosis · 01-02-2014 10:53PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Still would. Hot.

Yeah, but you'd choose a position where you could always see her hands

aphex™ · 02-02-2014 12:42AM

Guardian Interview
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/30/amanda-knox-exclusive-video-interview-guilty-video

Amanda Knox retrial begins

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