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Iona vs Panti

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  • #332
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Do they have to disclose anything about donations?


  • #333
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    lazygal wrote: »
    Do they have to disclose anything about donations?
    Being a commercial State broadcaster, I'm not sure they do, unless a public commission is made.

    If this new charity regulatory body was put into order, the information would probably be freely available.


  • #334
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Being a commercial State broadcaster, I'm not sure they do, unless a public commission is made.

    If this new charity regulatory body was put into order, the information would probably be freely available.

    Sorry I meant Iona. But also I wonder what amount rte has just given to protect marriage with women in white dresses and bouquets and mens.


  • #335
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    diddlybit wrote: »
    I think the slot on the Saturday Night Show this weekend could be a sad little stunt to try placate people in the hope that they will not have to disclose the reason behind or the amount of damages.
    They already have disclosed the reason in their apology.


    Now, on the Saturday night show two weeks ago comments were made by a guest suggesting the journalist and broadcaster John Waters, Breda O’Brien and some members of the Iona institute are homophobic. These are not the views of RTÉ and we would like to apologise for any upset or distress caused to the individuals named or identified. It is an important part of democratic debate that people must be able to hold dissenting views on controversial issues.


  • #336
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    As far as I'm aware they are subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

    http://www.rte.ie/about/en/serving-our-audience/2012/0417/317444-rte-and-freedom-of-information/


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  • #337
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    lazygal wrote: »
    Sorry I meant Iona. But also I wonder what amount rte has just given to protect marriage with women in white dresses and bouquets and mens.
    Hmm...Iona is a registered charity and I don't think they have to disclose certain donations as such. I have the nagging feeling that with RTE/Iona's unwillingness to disclose the number, the mention of it now 'not being a nominal fee', and just general suspicion, suggests it was more than a token gesture.


  • #338
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    SW wrote: »
    RTE’s Censorship and Double Standards Condones Prejudice. (from http://claredaly.ie)

    Shame she has to twist the facts and lie by omission...


    Clare:
    The Oxford English Dictionary defines homophobia as “aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people”.


    The reality: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/homophobia?q=homophobe#homophobia__5
    an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.


  • #339
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    There's always the Public Accounts Committee... They're really in top form these days.


  • #340
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Again thanks for your honesty. Is that actual homophobia though? I'm confused what homophobia now is though...

    Is a homophobic gay man akin to a self-hating Jew? That is a label that is used as a perjorative against Jews who don't allign with the mainstream views. No Jew would accept such a label on themselves, it will always come from the outside.

    Look up Roy Cohn and Keith O Brien.


  • #341
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Shame she has to twist the facts and lie by omission...


    Clare:
    The Oxford English Dictionary defines homophobia as “aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people”.


    The reality: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/homophobia?q=homophobe#homophobia__5
    an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

    Heh, you're struggling and you know it.


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  • #342
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Shame she has to twist the facts and lie by omission...


    Clare:
    The Oxford English Dictionary defines homophobia as “aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people”.


    The reality: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/homophobia?q=homophobe#homophobia__5
    an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.
    It's pretty extreme to attempt to limit the rights of a group for no apparent reason. Also pretty extreme to rely on debunked studies. Also pretty extreme for John Waters(and Iona for that matter) to claim a gay conspiracy to destroy fabric of society. But don't let that get in your way.


  • #343
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    [-0-] wrote: »
    It is a genuine question that should be open for public discussion, not hidden away in a private conversation. People are banned publicly, why not discuss why they have been allowed back?
    It's funny that you are trying to have me censored for my views on a thread condemning censorship.


    I would have been banned for making the post you just made and completely ignoring the mod instruction.


  • #344
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Isn't it nice when less people pay attention to Brown Bombers desperate attempts to justify Iona's position of discrimination against gay people. :)


  • #345
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    It's pretty extreme to attempt to limit the rights of a group for no apparent reason. Also pretty extreme to rely on debunked studies. Also pretty extreme for John Waters(and Iona for that matter) to claim a gay conspiracy to destroy fabric of society. But don't let that get in your way.
    My way of what? I was merely pointing out Clare Daly's twisting of the facts to suit her argument.


  • #346
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    My way of what? I was merely pointing out Clare Daly's twisting of the facts to suit her argument.
    Omitting one word is hardly 'twisting' the facts. You might want to check up on Iona for that, Breda O Brien misquoting an Educate Together figure on radio only for Ed Together texting RTE at the end of the show and proving her to be wrong by a longshot (1300 instead of about 260)


  • #347
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Shame she has to twist the facts and lie by omission...

    Clare:
    The Oxford English Dictionary defines homophobia as “aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people”.


    The reality: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/homophobia?q=homophobe#homophobia__5
    an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

    she basically said the dictionary says homophobia is "a strong dislike or disinclination (aversion) of homosexulity or homosexuals".

    You're sayings she lied because she didn't say, "an extremely strong dislike or disinclination (aversion) of homosexulity or homosexuals".

    That's pretty weak stuff, BB.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #348
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,594 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    My way of what? I was merely pointing out Clare Daly's twisting of the facts to suit her argument.

    Xenophobia in the OED is defined as "intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries"

    Islamophobia in the OED is defined as "a hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force"

    From a post of yours in this forum approx 2 months ago:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87768021&postcount=514
    If they have a problem with Middle-Eastern people because they perceive them to be Muslim based on their physical appearance then it is obviously Islamophobia combined with a form of racism. Pointless getting too bogged down in labels though; hatred is hatred.

    "If they have a problem with Middle-Eastern people because they perceive them to be Muslim based on their physical appearance" doesn't equate to "hatred or fear" or an "intense or irrational dislike or fear", so how come that's Islamophobia, but what Clare Daly was referring to isn't homophobia?


  • #349
    Zayn Numerous Pinkeye
    Posts: 0 ✭ Zayn Numerous Pinkeye


    Going to the extent of publicly supporting the denial of basic human rights based upon your disinclination is certainly 'extreme' no?

    Perhaps we should have someone reference the Oxford Dictionary's definition of extreme.


  • #350
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Penncil Dick wrote: »
    Xenophobia in the OED is defined as "intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries"

    Islamophobia in the OED is defined as "a hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force"

    From a post of yours in this forum approx 2 months ago:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87768021&postcount=514


    "If they have a problem with Middle-Eastern people because they perceive them to be Muslim based on their physical appearance" doesn't equate to "hatred or fear" or an "intense or irrational dislike or fear", so how come that's Islamophobia, but what Clare Daly was referring to isn't homophobia?

    Because it doesn't fit the argument BB is making about a TV show he didn't see and the reaction to a sustained bully media campaign by a Religiously inspired lobby group in a country he doesn't live in?


  • #351
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/can-we-have-a-respectful-debate-on-samesex-marriage-i-dont-think-so-29966462.html


    Ya BIG MEANIES. David's friends are the REAL VICTIMS.


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  • #352
    diddlybit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭diddlybit


    There is a real air of desperation about that article.


  • #353
    vitani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    lazygal wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/can-we-have-a-respectful-debate-on-samesex-marriage-i-dont-think-so-29966462.html


    Ya BIG MEANIES. David's friends are the REAL VICTIMS.

    In fairness to him, those emails he quotes are abhorrent and anyone who sends them is doing nothing to further the cause of same-sex marriage.

    But that's as far as my sympathy goes. That column is hysterical, and not in the funny sense.


  • #354
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    vitani wrote: »
    In fairness to him, those emails he quotes are abhorrent and anyone who sends them is doing nothing to further the cause of same-sex marriage.

    But that's as far as my sympathy goes. That column is hysterical, and not in the funny sense.
    I am completely against people sending moronic death threats and the like. They are damaging and not only do they hurt people, they demean the whole argument, Iona publish them and next thing you know, your average person at home not following the issue thinks 'these gays are a nasty bunch, not sure if they should have this after all'

    The article is insane in how contradictory it is. Quinn claiming he supports same-sex unions. Ahem

    “We’ll pay a heavy price for same-sex unions”

    And the thing about nobody able to find a homophobic quote is nonsense.

    It's nothing but delusional spin, unfairly taking advantage of the fact no mass media outlet bar Broadsheet and Journal is thoroughly covering this.


  • #355
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,594 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    vitani wrote: »
    In fairness to him, those emails he quotes are abhorrent and anyone who sends them is doing nothing to further the cause of same-sex marriage.

    Agreed. All it does is give them ammunition to help them play the victim and make the pro-equality side look irrational and abusive.


  • #356
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I would have been banned for making the post you just made and completely ignoring the mod instruction.
    Just to remind you yet again -- your views are not being censored. But you will be banned if you resort to the unremitting hostility towards your fellow posters that has characterized the majority of your posts to date.


  • #357
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    vitani wrote: »
    In fairness to him, those emails he quotes are abhorrent and anyone who sends them is doing nothing to further the cause of same-sex marriage.

    But that's as far as my sympathy goes. That column is hysterical, and not in the funny sense.
    He claims that majority of Twitter folk condoned such threats which is a complete lie. Threats are unproductive, unnecessary and ****ed up. He couldn't be mentioning that people on twitter said as much though...


  • #358
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    He claims that majority of Twitter folk condoned such threats which is a complete lie. Threats are unproductive, unnecessary and ****ed up. He couldn't be mentioning that people on twitter said as much though...
    The truth is however, he is able to get away with this spin - because if you are not actively following discussion online, this is one of the only ways you'll hear of it. I think it's a disgusting tactic but a predictable one. They have this all set up, really.


  • #359
    diddlybit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭diddlybit


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    The truth is however, he is able to get away with this spin - because if you are not actively following discussion online, this is one of the only ways you'll hear of it. I think it's a disgusting tactic but a predictable one. They have this all set up, really.

    At least there's some some reasonable repsonses in the comments sectiosn at the moment. Can't see that lasting for long though.


  • #360
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    diddlybit wrote: »
    At least there's some some reasonable repsonses in the comments sectiosn at the moment. Can't see that lasting for long though.
    My comment providing a selection of Iona quotes isn't getting approved, which is frustrating.


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  • #361
    diddlybit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭diddlybit


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    My comment providing a selection of Iona quotes isn't getting approved, which is frustrating.

    Seriously? I hope that it's not due to a fear of ligitation.


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