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Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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  • #1022
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,830 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    No
    BAI complaints are usually low, as you have to fill in a form. i believe there were over a 100 as of yesterday, so that's pretty good. Not sure if emails are counted unless you fill in the complaint form.


  • #1023
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I predict lots of wittering by Iona: letters to the editor, columns in their pet papers, mass panel attacks on RTE, but the difference is that this is legislation, not a referendum and the only vote that matters will be in the Dail.

    Which will pass with a huge majority. Will anyone in the Dail vote up against it?
    Probablly the reform alliance, possibly some FFers if they split on the issue like abortion, a few independents and possibly some FGers who will break whip

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1024
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,830 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    No
    SpaceTime wrote: »
    That's a fair few and I am sure they'd have to take it quite seriously with that volume of complaints.
    it's not great either, there's must be 10's of thousands ranting all over the web?


  • #1025
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    No
    mango salsa wrote: »
    Probablly the reform alliance, possibly some FFers if they split on the issue like abortion, a few independents and possibly some FGers who will break whip

    I very much doubt it. "Life of the unborn" is one thing - picking on gays is altogether different. I think Iona are going to be way, way out on their own this time.


  • #1026
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    No
    Well I think LGBT issues are important to FF's rebranding effort as a new modern and progressive party, so I hope Michéal Martin will try and ensure that most if not all TDs and Senators tow the line.

    Labour will by and large support it. As would I expect SF. Most of the Technical Group would be fairly progressive as well.

    Hopefully that should get it well over the line - though I do expect there to be a lot more noise when it comes to a vote.

    Ultimately though I would expect that the votes would not be too dissimilar to the abortion vote,


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  • #1027
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I very much doubt it. "Life of the unborn" is one thing - picking on gays is altogether different. I think Iona are going to be way, way out on their own this time.

    nah - Billy Timmins and Lucinda Creighton are not in favour of marriage equality. Fidelma Healy Eames changes her mind on it a lot. I honestly do think Reform Alliance, some FG and some FF and some independents will oppose legislation for civil partners adopting. Lets not be naive to think there will be no opposition!!!!!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1028
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Interesting programme on saturday

    http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/saturday-night-show-homophobia-debate-1291287-Jan2014/

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1029
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    No
    eorpach wrote: »
    Not many people know this, but Ireland's Gay Switchboard had to be called "Tel-A-Friend" when it launched 40 years ago this year, because the powers-that-be prohibited the word "gay" being used in the Irish telephone book.

    We really have come incredibly far as a society in such a short space of time. Well, many of us have...

    True. I can't imagine living in a world with telephone switchboards.


  • #1030
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    it's not great either, there's must be 10's of thousands ranting all over the web?

    It's huge!!!!!!!!!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1031
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No
    Debate Sat asked for tickets


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  • #1032
    eorpach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭eorpach


    Details of debate to take place on The Saturday Night Show:

    http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/saturday-night-show-homophobia-debate-1291287-Jan2014/

    Hosted undoubtedly by the effortlessly capable Brendan O'Connor.


  • #1033
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    No
    Speaking in the Seanad, Senator Power called on the Minister for Communications to address the Seanad over the recent revelations that RTÉ has made a financial settlement with individuals associated with the Iona Institute.

    LOOK!



    Well said.

    I have no problem with debate I have a problem in a democracy with money buying the debate away from citizens.

    I worry about this with the Iona Institute with other issues besides the gay marriage situation.

    Well said on her part!


  • #1034
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No
    http://aretheionainstitutehomophobic.com


  • #1035
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    efb wrote: »
    http://aretheionainstitutehomophobic.com
    Lol! Look at the end of the page source!


  • #1036
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Nice Easter Egg in the source code!


  • #1037
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No
    Quinn playing the victim card in tomorrow's indo


  • #1038
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    No
    I'm beginning to get the impression that the only people who don't think the Iona Institute are homophobic are the members and friends and family of the members of the Iona Institute. Landslide.


  • #1039
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No
    efb wrote: »
    http://aretheionainstitutehomophobic.com

    Doesn't display properly when you click "Share on Facebook", it comes up '403 forbidden'.

    Oh well, nice site anyway.


  • #1040
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Doesn't display properly when you click "Share on Facebook", it comes up '403 forbidden'.

    Oh well, nice site anyway.
    Just copy paste the link :)


  • #1041
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    No
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Doesn't display properly when you click "Share on Facebook", it comes up '403 forbidden'.
    I blame Breda O'Brien.


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  • #1042
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    No
    eorpach wrote: »
    Details of debate to take place on The Saturday Night Show:

    http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/saturday-night-show-homophobia-debate-1291287-Jan2014/

    Hosted undoubtedly by the effortlessly capable Brendan O'Connor.

    So after the Iona Institute have effectively silenced any future criticism of homophobia on the national broadcaster with legal threats and attempts to demonise anyone making fair comment, not to mention RTE making it abundantly clear that the Iona crowd are the only ones allowed to set the terms of debate*, they think NOW is the time to try and discuss who gets to define homophobia?

    Jesus f*cking wept. complaints@rte.ie is becoming my most common contact.

    *'Debate' is a generous term for the likes of Breda O'Brien dodging questions, moving goalposts and mewling about oppression when directly called on her bullsh*t.


  • #1043
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    Make sure to follow up your complaint and forward it to BAI though if you're serious about making a complaint. complaints@bai.ie

    Is there anyone going to be around on Sunday that wants to meet up? Message me.


    Saturday night is going to be interesting...I don't know what RTE are at doing a show like this but tbh, like the God Slot spin, it'll probably only take up a small segment of the show, i.e they're cashing in on a buzzword for viewer numbers.


  • #1044
    CurlySusie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭CurlySusie


    No
    The Iona Institute are a Catholic Institute so is the answer not a given.....


  • #1045
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    CurlySusie wrote: »
    The Iona Institute are a Catholic Institute so is the answer not a given.....
    I think it's only fair not to assume all Catholics share the views Iona do - I would daresay a good majority of Catholics in Ireland today, and even around the world, have a much more relaxed perspective on current affairs. It's just the more devout group are fiercely organised, funded, and loud, so they come across much larger than life. It seems to me that Iona's main objective isn't to spread the good word of God and Catholic values. Their admin/behind the scenes situation is dodgy as hell.

    Was watching this old Prime Time show on gay marriage - this seemed to have a much fairer structure of debate than what we've seen with Iona-involved ones. Why can't we have more of this? (Susan Philips comes across as rather toxic...)


  • #1046
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    No
    CurlySusie wrote: »
    The Iona Institute are a suspicuously funded non tax paying 'charity' so is the answer not a given.....

    Fixed that for you


  • #1047
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    CurlySusie wrote: »
    The Iona Institute are a Catholic Institute so is the answer not a given.....

    Nope not a given.


  • #1048
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    No
    I had intended doing my complaint to rte this weekend.

    I will complete and send in the BAI complaint form as well.

    I'd encourage everyone to at a minimum send email to rte but better yet send complaint to bai.


  • #1049
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Cydoniac wrote: »
    (Susan Philips comes across as rather toxic...)
    She gets rolled out now and again as a "political analyst" - noone really knows what qualifies her as a political analyst though
    She has long form in this area.

    www.mamanpoulet.com/political-analysis-ala-susan-phillips/

    Back in the 1990s as a member of Wicklow County Council she attempted to stop IGLYO (the International lgbtq youth organisation) from having a picnic in Glendalough because it was holy ground
    On the late late show she also told Katherine Zappone and Anne Louise Gilligan they are not married.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1050
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    mango salsa wrote: »
    She gets rolled out now and again as a "political analyst" - noone really knows what qualifies her as a political analyst though
    I don't know how people take pleasure out of being that nasty and insulting. She claims lesbians are selfish and refers to gay relationships as 'friendships' as if they aren't capable of love...the woman hasn't a single notion, luckily she seems to have been by and large, dismissed on PT by the audience.


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  • #1051
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭Daith


    No
    When Fianna Fáil’s Jim Walsh said defamatory comments had been made, Labour’s Ivana Bacik said that was a matter of view, not an established view.
    Mr Walsh said the programme was available online and could be accessed. “Senators Power, Bacik and others will be aware of the hate campaign on Twitter at present,’’ he added.
    He said the institute had never been in any way homophobic. “What it stands for, a view which I and many people in this country share,” he said. “I also look forward to the debate in the lead up to the referendum... is that every child in this country is entitled to have a mother and a father involved in his or her rearing and development.”


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/minister-urged-to-reveal-rt%C3%A9-s-iona-compensation-1.1674007

    So much wrong with the above from Jim "Why can't I call gay people fairies" Walsh


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