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Jim Mansfield R.I.P

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    A strange point, even some young people have wills.
    You honestly don't think a 75 year old wealthy businessman would ever have thought of a will?

    Anyways, we both know he was never going to leave anything to the state, despite everything. Which is his right.

    Despite what? I worked on his conference center - it would have been world class, and affected no-one, but the state made him rip it all down for some arbritary(you go figure why I say that - if you're in the club, planning is purely optional) crap. How well disposed to the state do you reckon he was? If they'd got the fcuk out of his way, I doubt he would have run into any financial trouble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Ponzi Bilharzia


    He was a bridge-builder. He connected Ireland with the rest of the world, but particularly South America. He was a maverick, bringing energy and manic enthusiasm to this country one white powdery gram at a time. His only regret was his role as dynamic ontropanure left little time to teach his son, Jim Jr., how to read. Tis a shame too he couldn't hook Jim Jr's girlfriend, Katy up with the quality **** that was going through Weston.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    He was a bridge-builder. He connected Ireland with the rest of the world, but particularly South America. He was a maverick, bringing energy and manic enthusiasm to this country one white powdery gram at a time. His only regret was his role as dynamic ontropanure left little time to teach his son, Jim Jr., how to read. Tis a shame too he couldn't hook Jim Jr's girlfriend, Katy up with the quality **** that was going through Weston.

    I'll leave you at it. I've never met a bust coke baron yet, the profits usually preclude that, but whatever. Was J junior there when Katy died? Or was that a solo run?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    fryup wrote: »
    any relation to thelma mansfield?? (ex rte continuity announcer)
    Thelma would be about the same age os the late Jim, who was a member of the extended Kildare family that owned the ground rents of Naas and surrounding areas for centuries. His cousin Mick and I rebuilt a Morris Minor engine in the back-yard of a pub back in the mid 70's. I think Thelma married a Mansfield (open to correction), but any of them I know back then were sound out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Usually I abide by the "don't speak ill of the dead" rule but I dont know about this one, there was always been a whiff of sulphur about this guy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,648 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    this line they have about upsetting some powerful people who didn't like what he did, little man fighting against the establishment is the same BS we heard how sean fitzpatrick, michael fingleton and sean quinn even bertie ahern, thought of themselves, he became the people he claimed to be up against


  • Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    genericguy wrote: »
    Thought the usual AH RIP whores would've been all over this hours ago.

    RIP whores?

    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    I am aware he made the taxpayer a lot more than that. Specifically anyone working for him. Chap did more in 20 years in Citywest than the IDA did in 50 in ireland.

    He made this country a lot of money. but he made a lot of enemies in higher places.

    Are you smoking something? The IDA brought Dell, Intel, Microsoft, Pfizer, Google and dozens of other enterprises to this country. Mansfield sold scrap metal, ran a tool hire business, then built a lot of dodgy ****box houses, warehouses and warehouses masquerading as hotels with no planning permission and the help of a lot of corrupt politicians, most of which started to fall apart in a few years, or lay empty for ever because they were nothing more than a tax scam in the first place.

    His success, like most other "genius" Irish entrepreneurs, is down to cute hoor backhander corruption and being friendly with those in the know. By no stretch of the imagination could one of Bertie's big "whip round" mates be the victim of "enemies" in a position of power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    He had been sick for a while I believe. I think he had diminished mental capacity towards the end due to whatever the illness was, which is very sad. He seemed to have been a kind and decent man, flagrant disregard for the planning process aside. All the more pity one of his sons appears to be a complete thug.

    One of my friends met him a couple of years ago when he was scouting for a film location. Jim asked him where the film was being made. 'Wicklow'. 'Why Wicklow?'. 'Because they have a studio'. 'Give me a month', says Jim, 'And I'll build you a studio'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    RIP.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    “Jim Mansfield was a great, great character,” Noel Smyth, the former solicitor and long- term adviser to the late businessman, recalled yesterday.
    The two men first met in the 1970s when Mansfield had a legal dispute about a Dublin nightclub he ran called The Fiesta.
    “Jim was impressed that the judge knew my name and we hit it off,” said Smyth. Later their paths would cross again in a spectacular deal which made Mansfield very wealthy.
    Businessman Jim Mansfield dies after illness
    Mansfield was born on April 9th, 1939. He was brought up by his mother with his two brothers on a farm in Brittas, south Dublin. A strongly-built man, Mansfield had what he described as a “wild youth” but he was also industrious. He had an innate ability to do deals in his head despite leaving school at 14.
    His first job was as a truck driver and he settled down somewhat when he married his beloved Anne from Terenure, Dublin 6. Three sons followed – Tony, Jimmy jnr and PJ.
    He built up a small haulage business and from fixing his own trucks he developed a love of machinery. He started to trade in used equipment and vehicles and when Ireland entered a recession in the 1980s he snapped up disused building machinery and sold it on abroad.

    Falklands war
    The British prime minister Margaret Thatcher gave him his big break in 1983 when, after the Falklands war ended abruptly, she put thousands of tonnes worth of plant, equipment and scrap that had been shipped down there unnecessarily up for sale.
    Mansfield teamed up with Smyth to buy the lot, backed by a loan from Ansbacher Bank. “We brought it all back to Atlanta and the UK and sold it off around the world,” Smyth recalled.
    “We had great fun at that time. The department of defence [in Britain] and lots of other people were annoyed we won the deal! Jim was an entrepreneur who was very anti-establishment and he got a great kick out of it.”
    Mansfield in his first interview two decades later said he made IR£100 million from that one deal. He was among the first Irish men to own a private jet as a result.
    By 1998, Mansfield owned a 100-bed hotel called Citywest in southwest Dublin. It had a golf course designed by his friend Christy O’Connor Jr, but not much else.
    Mansfield asked John Glynn, who ran the Burlington in Dublin, then Ireland’s largest hotel, to help. “Jim spoke like a man in the plant hire business and a four-letter word was not irregular but he was courageous and passionate about that part of Dublin [around Citywest],” Glynn said.Mansfield and Glynn rapidly expanded Citywest to become a 1,400-bed hotel with a huge banqueting and exhibition hall, which was capable of competing globally.
    As the business boomed, Mansfield used its cashflow to borrow about €300 million from Bank of Scotland (Ireland) and Irish Nationwide.
    He bought tracts of land, Palmerstown House (whose contents turned out to contain a painting by Picasso) and Finnstown Country House in Lucan.
    Businessman Jim Mansfield dies after illness
    In 2002 he bought Weston Aerodrome for €12.7 million. He hoped to upgrade it and turn it into an executive airport.
    When the Ryder Cup came to the K Club in 2006, Citywest hosted a gala dinner, with guests including Bill Clinton, Tiger Woods and Arnold Palmer. Glynn said he did not believe the Ryder Cup would have come to Ireland if a hotel and dining facility the size of Citywest had not been nearby.
    “The Special Olympics was the same,” he said.

    Pioneer
    “Jim was a pioneer in the hotel and conference business,” Smyth said. However he admitted: “Poor old Jim, he thought you could build first and get planning afterwards, which wasn’t such a good thing to do. He was a maverick.”
    At his peak Mansfield employed 1,300 people. His friends included Michael Fingleton, the former Irish Nationwide boss, and “Pino” Harris, a truck dealer, and a group of local friends he had known for decades.
    In 2006, Mansfield’s son PJ married former Miss Ireland Andrea Roche in a society wedding, but their union ended in 2010.
    A low point for Mansfield was when his jet was hired out to a third party who, unknown to the businessman, tried to use it to smuggle €10 million worth of heroin into Ireland in 2006.
    In 2007 Mr Mansfield estimated his fortune at €1.7 billion.

    Crash
    He was ill-prepared for the crash. Glynn had left the business and Citywest began to struggle and dry up as a cash cow. “Jim bought and bought and built and built. He borrowed on the strength on the cash out of Citywest but when that did a U-turn he was over-stretched and ended up in Nama,” Glynn said.
    Receivers were installed to Mansfield’s assets and gradually his empire was all sold off. “The hours, the effort, the risk, it was very sad in the end,” Glynn said.
    Mansfield died early yesterday morning after a long period of ill-health that, until the end, saw him telling friends he hoped to make a last comeback.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland/maverick-entrepreneur-who-went-from-boom-to-bust-with-celtic-tiger-1.1672743

    Some info on the man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,648 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    the financial crash just happened to him it wasn't not something he participated in more bs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    realies wrote: »

    Falklands war
    The British prime minister Margaret Thatcher gave him his big break in 1983 when, after the Falklands war ended abruptly, she put thousands of tonnes worth of plant, equipment and scrap that had been shipped down there unnecessarily up for sale.
    Mansfield teamed up with Smyth to buy the lot, backed by a loan from Ansbacher Bank. “We brought it all back to Atlanta and the UK and sold it off around the world,” Smyth recalled.
    “We had great fun at that time. The department of defence [in Britain] and lots of other people were annoyed we won the deal! Jim was an entrepreneur who was very anti-establishment and he got a great kick out of it.”
    Mansfield in his first interview two decades later said he made IR£100 million from that one deal. He was among the first Irish men to own a private jet as a result.

    Now that is interesting. I knew about the scrap metal deal but had no idea he did the deal in partnership with Smyth, or that Ansbacher financed it. Ties him definitively to the FF/Haughey axis of weasels, er sorry, I meant golden circle.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    sad when anyone dies but that lad was a gangster and his nephews are still running wild around the counties surrounding dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    There used to be another rule about not speaking ill of the dead either. That was a good and fair rule imo. They get it hard to defend themselves.

    You seem to be doing a good job of whitewashing his memory regardless.
    So that was Jims decision, yes? Or did the state choose to lump it onto the taxpayer? Banks borrowed, they lost. The State chose to step in. I'm guessing he himself would have said let the banks go get their own money. You sure the right people are being blamed??

    Give me strength. "Maverick" developers like JM in conjunction with the banks are the reason for the financial mess. JM thought he was above the law, are you defending that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    A strange point, even some young people have wills.
    You honestly don't think a 75 year old wealthy businessman would ever have thought of a will?

    Anyways, we both know he was never going to leave anything to the state, despite everything. Which is his right.

    One thing for sure he could not take his money with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    I mentioned that it was sad he had died. That's about the extent of it, I'm whitewashing no-one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I mentioned that it was sad he had died. That's about the extent of it, I'm whitewashing no-one.

    Errrmmm.....

    Despite what? I worked on his conference center - it would have been world class, and affected no-one, but the state made him rip it all down for some arbritary(you go figure why I say that - if you're in the club, planning is purely optional) crap. How well disposed to the state do you reckon he was? If they'd got the fcuk out of his way, I doubt he would have run into any financial trouble.

    Arbitrary crap?

    The Planning and Development Act is the law of the land.

    You are painting him as some type of victim, JM was anything but a victim, he was the shady me fein side of the Celtic Tiger greedfest. Slapping up a building and then applying for permission when the enforcement notice comes in is a 'fuck you' to honest, lawabiding, hardworking entrepreneurs and the rest of society.

    Get off the tiny violin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    I mentioned that it was sad he had died. That's about the extent of it, I'm whitewashing no-one.

    Ach, hang on! You've jumped on every post not praising him and countered every comment made with an attempt at canonisation. A bit bizzare actually.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    Ach, hang on! You've jumped on every post not praising him and countered every comment made with an attempt at canonisation. A bit buzzard actually.

    I think you're taking it the wrong way there - jumped me hole. If I was any more laid back I'd fall of my chair. I'm not enormously bothered one way or the other, I just thought a bit of balance wouldn't go amiss amid the kicking session. I found him fine. Others didn't. There you go.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Personally I think you have gotten the response you set out to get when you started this thread.

    JM was no hero, I think that much has been proved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    MadsL wrote: »
    Personally I think you have gotten the response you set out to get when you started this thread.

    JM was no hero, I think that much has been proved.

    Eh? Lost me there. Not that rare an event when it comes to your posts, but go you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I'll spell it out.
    I for one am sorry

    Pretty clear tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    err, I am sorry he's dead. Are you glad he's dead??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    err, I am sorry he's dead. Are you glad he's dead??

    I'm not pushed either way. I only object when people try and paint him as a decent businessman when he was clearly immoral.

    Read that in whatever voice you want. :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    MadsL wrote: »
    I'm not pushed either way. I only object when people try and paint him as a decent businessman when he was clearly immoral.

    Read that in whatever voice you want. :P

    Feck off! :D Ninja edit was because I usually get a laugh out of your posts and didn't want to be rude. Feck off anyway.. :p :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 we built this city


    The problem people have with Mr Mansfield is that he done things with his life and those who have bad comments are sad people who could never dream of the adventures he created a working man with a drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,080 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The problem people have with Mr Mansfield is that he done things with his life and those who have bad comments are sad people who could never dream of the adventures he created a working man with a drive.

    Did you change your username?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 we built this city


    unkel wrote: »
    Did you change your username?

    No I'm a new user and a current adviser to the Mansfields


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    The problem people have with Mr Mansfield is that he done things with his life and those who have bad comments are sad people who could never dream of the adventures he created a working man with a drive.

    Most of us worked within the confines of the law. Perhaps you are advocating breaking it in order to "do things".


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