Jim Mansfield R.I.P

Menas · 29-01-2014 09:55PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

What is the story with libel now that he is dead?

Don't worry, say what you think, he can't sue you from the grave.

seamus · 29-01-2014 09:57PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

What is the story with libel now that he is dead?

Can't libel a dead man. You can say whatever you want about them.

Not that boards would let you, it does have some decency.

Mansfield is marmite. Some people see him as a Bill Cullen-type rags-to-riches hero who rose to rub shoulders with the horsey crowd by taking risks and giving two fingers to the establishment.
Others see him as a dangerous man with very dodgy relationships and complete disregard for laws or other people when it came to getting his own way.

I'm sure his family though see him as someone they love, so my thoughts are with them.

fryup · 29-01-2014 10:25PM

any relation to thelma mansfield?? (ex rte continuity announcer)

notnumber · 29-01-2014 10:39PM

The celtic tiger and Nama have taken the sheen of his achievements .
I dont know about the planning objections but he worked hard for his money in the days before money was being thrown around like confetti ..sad to see all he developed lost to bwankers ..I imagine he died a broken man..there should definitely be a monument to the man in citywest..Jim Mansfield RIP

Hootanany · 29-01-2014 10:49PM

no he didnt robbed all of his sub contractors dispicable morals for a man

goose2005 · 29-01-2014 10:51PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Well done. You probably created jobs for far more people and had a nicer hotel too. I'm thrilled for you. Sad as in I'm sad he's dead sort of sad.

"Created jobs"? What about the jobs he destroyed? I mean, if someone who never works in their life and just draws the dole, they might cost the state €1,000,000 or so. Big Jim cost us many multiples of that, but his kids won't go hungry.

whupdedo · 29-01-2014 11:05PM

A lot of small minded people still going on about who cost us this and who owed us that,some people would prefer to have us destitute and poor for eternity to justify weak and pointless posts about bond holders and national debt. I will pay rest in peace but I won't defend or accuse him of something I know **** all about as some posters believe they do.

Hootanany · 29-01-2014 11:15PM

he shagged sub contractors thats how he made a load of money just google it.

notnumber · 29-01-2014 11:17PM

Hootanany wrote: »

no he didnt robbed all of his sub contractors dispicable morals for a man

He was convicted of this? ..or are you engaging in slander?

Stavros Murphy · 29-01-2014 11:19PM

Hootanany wrote: »

he shagged sub contractors thats how he made a load of money just google it.

Everyone shags sub-contractors, at some stage or another. Nothing rare or unique in that. Some do it on purpose, some because they run into difficulty themselves.

ziggy · 29-01-2014 11:24PM

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Stavros Murphy · 29-01-2014 11:29PM

ziggy wrote: »

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Doubtful - it struggled financially on every front. That's like blaming the owners of Dublin Port for any dodgy cargo someone brings through it. Every freight company, port, airport, dock and landing field gets plagued with people pulling stuff like this.

oppenheimer1 · 29-01-2014 11:36PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

What is the story with libel now that he is dead?

You can't libel the dead

Stavros Murphy · 29-01-2014 11:40PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

You can't libel the dead

There used to be another rule about not speaking ill of the dead either. That was a good and fair rule imo. They get it hard to defend themselves.

Boombastic · 29-01-2014 11:42PM

did he will his assests to the state?

Stavros Murphy · 29-01-2014 11:44PM

Boombastic wrote: »

did he will his assests to the state?

Na man.

Guy:Incognito · 29-01-2014 11:48PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

There used to be another rule about not speaking ill of the dead either. That was a good and fair rule imo. They get it hard to defend themselves.

That's not a rule. It's a cop out.

If someone is a wanker, dieing doesn't change that. Just like every time some scumbag is killed their whole family is on saying how nice they were and how they wouldn't hurt a fly.

Stavros Murphy · 29-01-2014 11:50PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That's not a rule. It's a cop out.

If someone is a wanker, dieing doesn't change that. Just like every time some scumbag is killed their whole family is on saying how nice they were and how they wouldn't hurt a fly.

A good rule of thumb I stick to is "Never a bollox died". Slagging the dead is a low I'll give a miss to. I've enough live ones to be going on with.

keeponhurling · 29-01-2014 11:51PM

Boombastic wrote: »

did he will his assests to the state?

I'm not sure he personally guaranteed anything so the state could only seize all his businesses assets, and the taxpayer picked up the rest.

Would be a nice touch if he did, though

Stavros Murphy · 29-01-2014 11:58PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I'm not sure he personally guaranteed anything so the state could only seize all his businesses assets, and the taxpayer picked up the rest.

Would be a nice touch if he did, though

So that was Jims decision, yes? Or did the state choose to lump it onto the taxpayer? Banks borrowed, they lost. The State chose to step in. I'm guessing he himself would have said let the banks go get their own money. You sure the right people are being blamed??

Guy:Incognito · 29-01-2014 11:59PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

So that was Jims decision, yes? Or did the state choose to lump it onto the taxpayer? Banks borrowed, they lost. The State chose to step in. I'm guessing he himself would have said let the banks go get their own money. You sure the right people are being blamed??

Presumably you'd have been happy enough for the banks to fail if you 20 or 30 grand saved up that you lost, yeah?

Stavros Murphy · 30-01-2014 12:03AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Presumably you'd have been happy enough for the banks to fail if you 20 or 30 grand saved up that you lost, yeah?

That's a whole nother thread right there.

keeponhurling · 30-01-2014 12:03AM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

So that was Jims decision, yes? Or did the state choose to lump it onto the taxpayer? Banks borrowed, they lost. The State chose to step in. I'm guessing he himself would have said let the banks go get their own money. You sure the right people are being blamed??

Not saying that at all, or that he did anything wrong.

Just saying that given he knew his debts were passed to the taxpayer,(which you seem to suggest he wouldnt be happy about) , leaving a few quid to the state would have been a nice touch.

Stavros Murphy · 30-01-2014 12:07AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Not saying that at all, or that he did anything wrong.

Just saying that given he knew his debts were passed to the taxpayer,(which you seem to suggest he wouldnt be happy about) , leaving a few quid to the state would have been a nice touch.

Maybe dying came as a surprise. It could have been on tomorrows to-do list.

Stavros Murphy · 30-01-2014 12:14AM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Who?

Yeah, right.

dreamers75 · 30-01-2014 12:14AM

MadsL wrote: »

You are aware that Mansfield cost the Irish taxpayer €300million, and that as I recall the retrospective planning granted was held to be breach of EU law.

Building without planning permission at the scale Mansfield did is hardly 'natural'.

I am aware he made the taxpayer a lot more than that. Specifically anyone working for him. Chap did more in 20 years in Citywest than the IDA did in 50 in ireland.

He made this country a lot of money. but he made a lot of enemies in higher places.

In retro mode if we paid him 300 million in 1990 and he gauranteed over 3 billion to the Irish economy , would that be ok?

If you ask me we paying the wrong people to bring money to this country then picking certain people to be scapegoats. Mad how those scapegoats are not affiliated to political parties........

If the IDA/Ireland increased the 10 year ESB/TAX rule in 02 we wouldnt be in this situation and we wouldnt be blaming a dead man as the cause. And Mansfield would be a hero........

Guess the media works in painting villians that they chose.

Stavros Murphy · 30-01-2014 12:22AM

dreamers75 wrote: »

I am aware he made the taxpayer a lot more than that. Specifically anyone working for him. Chap did more in 20 years in Citywest than the IDA did in 50 in ireland.

He made this country a lot of money. but he made a lot of enemies in higher places.

In retro mode if we paid him 300 million in 1990 and he gauranteed over 3 billion to the Irish economy , would that be ok?

If you ask me we paying the wrong people to bring money to this country then picking certain people to be scapegoats. Mad how those scapegoats are not affiliated to political parties........

If the IDA/Ireland increased the 10 year ESB/TAX rule in 02 we wouldnt be in this situation and we wouldnt be blaming a dead man as the cause. And Mansfield would be a hero........

Guess the media works in painting villians that they chose.

I would have said that but lack the words. Between the money he paid workers, the levvies he paid, the tax he paid, the huge economic activity he stimulated in Citywest, I'd reckon he died owing no-one nothing. There's always lesser men sniping at people who tried.

Frankie Lee · 30-01-2014 12:25AM

He was no Pablo Escobar when it comes to doing social good.

COYW · 30-01-2014 12:38AM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

There's always lesser men sniping at people who tried.

Yep, the begrudging Irish love a good old snipe. The people who snipe are the same ones out doing nixers for cash in hand, you'll find.

keeponhurling · 30-01-2014 12:40AM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Maybe dying came as a surprise. It could have been on tomorrows to-do list.

A strange point, even some young people have wills.
You honestly don't think a 75 year old wealthy businessman would ever have thought of a will?

Anyways, we both know he was never going to leave anything to the state, despite everything. Which is his right.

Jim Mansfield R.I.P

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