Are YOU going to pay your water bills?

Galwayguy35 · 29-01-2014 12:37AM

The setting up of Irish Water seems to be a bit of a cluster fook so far but yes I will pay for my water usage.

I have good quality drinking water and it's a precious commodity so although it's an extra bill I guess it has to be paid.

It's the septic tank cost I'm worried about but that's for another thread......

Sir Arthur Daley · 29-01-2014 12:38AM

Stained Class wrote: »

I think they're stung with Septic tank charges.

No-one escapes.

Will it happen that people be faced with sewage charges that are in sewage schemes?

padd b1975 · 29-01-2014 12:42AM

Yes I will pay, although I expect my bills to be quite reasonable because I'm only at home at weekends.

keith16 · 29-01-2014 12:43AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The setting up of Irish Water seems to be a bit of a cluster fook so far but yes I will pay for my water usage.

I have good quality drinking water and it's a precious commodity so although it's an extra bill I guess it has to be paid.

It's the septic tank cost I'm worried about but that's for another thread......

Do you pay your property tax? If so, how do you feel about that money being diverted into Irish water?

Sorry, not having a go or anything, I would be of a same mindset in terms looking after and paying for water.

Kintarō Hattori · 29-01-2014 12:45AM

I don't mind paying for water but it depresses me that I'm being forced to pay for the quality of water I have.

This year I'm going to have to look at getting a system in place to reduce the amount of limescale in our pipes. Currently I can't keep anything glass or dark surfaces (non-stick pans etc) clean as coming out of the dishwasher they are covered in a film of dirt. I'm not sure how much it's going to be but I should't have to pay for it AND the water that's causing me to shell out for it.

I gave up regularly cleaning my shower screen as it is a fruitless task, it's covered in a thick layer of limescale.

Our water is also horrible to drink as the smell of fluoride is extremely off putting. It's not a case of having to put your nose up to a glass of water to smell it. As soon as you run the tap in the sink you catch scent of it. I've never been adverse to drinking tap water but what we have is fairly unpleasant.

Stained Class · 29-01-2014 12:46AM

WikiHow wrote: »

Will it happen that people be faced with sewage charges that are in sewage schemes?

AFIK, people on the mains systems, i.e. in towns are liable for water charges. That would include sewage.

Those in rural areas, with their own wells are exempt from the charge, although they can be liable for septic tank charges.

I'm pretty sure this is the case, but will stand corrected if not so.

Irish Steve · 29-01-2014 12:46AM

IW is an obscene Golden Circle cobble of an organisation that has been thrown together in the worst possible way.

It's necessary because the Troika insisted on it, to bring Ireland in to line with the rest of Europe, where paying for water has been the norm for a long time, and they see it as a fundamental of widening the tax base.

I will pay it, very unhappily, as I suspect that it will be a lot more than it needs to be, due to that structure and the unacceptable levels of pay and bonus culture that will be seen more clearly soon.

Having said that, if the water supplied does not meet the laid down EU quality standard, then that will be a horse of a very different colour, payment will be withheld if that happens, and it has on a regular basis out here, the water is way above the acceptable hardness levels.

Overheal · 29-01-2014 12:50AM

If you don't pay your water bill, someone from the utility drives up to your home, accesses the municipal shut-off in front of your home, and cuts you off from the system.

Even in most cases if you decide to pay the bill at that point, you can be without water for several days. Even to flush your toilet with.

Question not of can you pay it but do you have the means to not pay it. Those with wells that want to live off the grid and don't have a connected sewage system sure go for it, but pretty much everyone does. You would have to make a conscious effort to build a house that wasn't connected to the municipal supply or sewage output.

I wish they just put a flat, nominal fee onto every electricity bill for the next 5 years

Plenty of cases where your electricity consumption and water use to not match residential pattern, especially in businesses. Some businesses might use large quantities of water compared to their energies (like a brewery) or may use a trickle compared to their total energy use (a retail location)

There is plenty of corruption and flaws in practice the world over from charging water fees but that doesn't invalidate the concept that it can be a good idea. Every government system is prone to corruption, but not every government system is corrupt or broken.

Galwayguy35 · 29-01-2014 12:50AM

keith16 wrote: »

Do you pay your property tax? If so, how do you feel about that money being diverted into Irish water?

Sorry, not having a go or anything, I would be of a same mindset in terms looking after and paying for water.

Yes I paid the Property Tax, once the Revenue came into it the game was up IMO, although somewhat naively I believed that the money (or even some of it) might make it's way back into the local area.

In answer to your second question yes I would like to see some of the money diverted to Irish Water, but for a specific purpose, maybe for a start sort out all the leaks in the pipes nationwide.

JustAddWater · 29-01-2014 12:51AM

Overheal wrote: »

If you don't pay your water bill, someone from the utility drives up to your home, accesses the municipal shut-off in front of your home, and cuts you off from the system.

Even in most cases if you decide to pay the bill at that point, you can be without water for several days. Even to flush your toilet with.

Question not of can you pay it but do you have the means to not pay it. Those with wells that want to live off the grid and don't have a connected sewage system sure go for it, but pretty much everyone does. You would have to make a conscious effort to build a house that wasn't connected to the municipal supply or sewage output.

I thought they just reduced pressure no?

shamrock55 · 29-01-2014 12:53AM

Another will you wont you pay.......the irish always pay because they are fcuking spineless

Eight Ball · 29-01-2014 12:54AM

Not a hope im paying up. Corrupt little government can kiss my ass.

Stained Class · 29-01-2014 12:54AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

IW is an obscene Golden Circle cobble of an organisation that has been thrown together in the worst possible way.

It's necessary because the Troika insisted on it, to bring Ireland in to line with the rest of Europe, where paying for water has been the norm for a long time, and they see it as a fundamental of widening the tax base.

I will pay it, very unhappily, as I suspect that it will be a lot more than it needs to be, due to that structure and the unacceptable levels of pay and bonus culture that will be seen more clearly soon.

Having said that, if the water supplied does not meet the laid down EU quality standard, then that will be a horse of a very different colour, payment will be withheld if that happens, and it has on a regular basis out here, the water is way above the acceptable hardness levels.

Troika gone home now. We can review the situation ourselves now & impose our own solution.

Nothing set in stone yet.

shopaholic01 · 29-01-2014 12:56AM

JustAddWater wrote: »

I thought they just reduced pressure no?

That's what I heard too, reduced it to a level that made it impossible to shower etc.

Perfect username!

applehunter · 29-01-2014 12:59AM

Of course we should have to pay for our water.

Metering should have been installed years ago.

Stained Class · 29-01-2014 01:01AM

applehunter wrote: »

Of course we should have to pay for our water.

Metering should have been installed years ago.

Why?

Don't we pay enough taxes as it is?

We live in a country where the stuff falls from the skys.......all the time.

Stavros Murphy · 29-01-2014 01:02AM

Overheal wrote: »

If you don't pay your water bill, someone from the utility drives up to your home, accesses the municipal shut-off in front of your home, and cuts you off from the system.

Even in most cases if you decide to pay the bill at that point, you can be without water for several days. Even to flush your toilet with.
.

Using a highly technical, err, "key". Then they drive off. And you use a similar "key" to turn it back on. By "key", think square bit of metal. I'm not hugely convinced it'll work around here. There's a lot of erm, "practical" minded lads knocking around.

keith16 · 29-01-2014 01:04AM

Overheal wrote: »

There is plenty of corruption and flaws in practice the world over from charging water fees but that doesn't invalidate the concept that it can be a good idea. Every government system is prone to corruption, but not every government system is corrupt or broken.

I don't think anyone here is saying that it is not a good concept.

In my opinion this system of Irish water is corrupt and is broken. A man who has shown to be demonstrably incompetent is the CEO.

flutered · 29-01-2014 01:06AM

i was speaking to a local farmer today, he has 50 acres in two divides, he has two water meters installed by the co. council, the fixed charge is 100 every six months on each meter, then the water rates come on top of that, so folks it anit cheap.

Galwayguy35 · 29-01-2014 01:10AM

flutered wrote: »

i was speaking to a local farmer today, he has 50 acres in two divides, he has two water meters installed by the co. council, the fixed charge is 100 every six months on each meter, then the water rates come on top of that, so folks it anit cheap.

I think farmers should pay extra for water usage because they obviously use a lot more than the average person, my brother is joined a private water scheme and for years the deal has been that the farmers (he is one) on the scheme pay more than the ordinary householders, seems fair to me.

donegal__road · 29-01-2014 01:13AM

keith16 wrote: »

I don't think anyone here is saying that it is not a good concept.

In my opinion this system of Irish water is corrupt and is broken. A man who has shown to be demonstrably incompetent is the CEO.

I wonder is there some sort of Free Masons for catholics in the south?

These guys must all be part of it..

Win or lose, succeed or fail, you'll get the top position regardless.

€90 million down the swany at Poolbeg without as much as one block laid ontop of another to show for it.

Im sure hes a nice guy and all..

.

Stinicker · 29-01-2014 01:15AM

I will be refusing to firstly allow any meters installed onto my property. In 2010 I buried my stop valve under 2 metres of steel rebar reinforced concrete, my reason for this was I had suffered enough freeze ups due to the the old stop valve being too close to the surface. I installed a new shut off valve within my property at a depth of two meters.

I will also be refusing to pay because the Water Meters and Irish Water were setup by the Trokia as part of the bailout under Fianna Fail. This was an illegal decision taken by an illegitimate government. Fianna Fail clung to power throughout 2010 by a tiny majority and failed to hold three by elections which would have changed the balance of power. The people were denied their democratic right in these constituencies and due to this I consider everything done by Fianna Fail in 2010 to have been illegal by an illegal traitor party occupying government who did not have a democratic mandate from the Irish people.

I have avoided all the litany of taxes so far to date and will continue to hold out against these illegal taxes.

Gatling · 29-01-2014 01:17AM

I can only imagine the huge increase on the price of bottled water when this comes on line( Dunne's ,tesco and so on will be laughing all the way on the profit Bank) ,
Then watch 2/5 years in the 4000 staff decide we want a pay raise and bigger bonus payments and if we don't get what we want we will strike and shut everyones water off

donegal__road · 29-01-2014 01:23AM

Gatling wrote: »

I can only imagine the huge increase on the price of bottled water when this comes on line( Dunne's ,tesco and so on will be laughing all the way on the profit Bank) ,
Then watch 2/5 years in the 4000 staff decide we want a pay raise and bigger bonus payments and if we don't get what we want we will strike and shut everyones waster off

at least we'll be able to collect it out of the fukn sky if that happens.. its not as if we're in the middle of the Sahara

JK91 · 29-01-2014 05:09AM

It's as if one had a choice.

Putin · 29-01-2014 05:14AM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I find it best not to think about Irish Water, maybe their 2000 surplus staff can do that on my behalf.

And that's the reason why I will do my best not to pay it. What other country would put up with that bull****? Then again, nobody takes it up the ass as well as we do in this corrupt little state.

taytothief · 29-01-2014 05:15AM

This thread is so full of bs.

Are YOU going to pay your water bills?

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