Carl Froch vs George Groves

fsfg · 23-01-2014 08:50PM

Froch prides himself on taking on all opponents and being a warrior etc but his attitude stinks when it comes to Groves (who is also annoying me with his moaning). Froch trying to spin what happened makes me lose respect for the 'honest champ' and saying 'other things come into play' like promoters etc is nonsense as its the easiest fight for his promoter to make.

I am not convinced he isn't just trying to better his negotiating position though as I can imagine Groves is calling for a large percentage of the purse considering all the options he keeps talking about.

gene_tunney · 23-01-2014 09:03PM

Froch is running scared and it's the most obvious thing in the world

Froch wins the hypothetical rematch IMO but he's scared because he knows he would have to absorb serious damage in the first few rounds while Groves is still fresh.

That said, I have zero desire for a rematch, would rather see Froch and Chavez

supersean1999 · 23-01-2014 09:21PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

Froch is running scared and it's the most obvious thing in the world

Froch wins the hypothetical rematch IMO but he's scared because he knows he would have to absorb serious damage in the first few rounds while Groves is still fresh.

That said, I have zero desire for a rematch, would rather see Froch and Chavez

No desire for a rematch . Did you not see the first one.

supersean1999 · 23-01-2014 09:25PM

Felexicon wrote: »

Why? He is a very godd if often over hyped boxer who is always involved in exciting fights

Personally iv never disliked a boxer as much and probably a human so I never want to see him again. in and out of the ring.

T-K-O · 23-01-2014 09:38PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

Personally iv never disliked a boxer as much and probably a human so I never want to see him again. in and out of the ring.

What are you, 10?

willmunny1990 · 23-01-2014 09:41PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

Personally iv never disliked a boxer as much and probably a human so I never want to see him again. in and out of the ring.

Bit harsh.

He comes across as very smug at times but there is far worse out there.

Anyway, if he goes on to fight Chavez I think he'll win, Chavez is over rated.

supersean1999 · 23-01-2014 09:45PM

T-K-O wrote: »

What are you, 10?

No why. I don't like him or rate him it's my opinion. No need to try insult me ok

supersean1999 · 23-01-2014 09:48PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Bit harsh.

He comes across as very smug at times but there is far worse out there.

Anyway, if he goes on to fight Chavez I think he'll win, Chavez is over rated.

I'm sure there is someone who gets right up your *** . Froch does it to me.And i think Chavez might just out work him. There both overrated . It's not a fight I'll pay for that's for sure.

T-K-O · 23-01-2014 09:54PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

No why. I don't like him or rate him it's my opinion. No need to try insult me ok

That was my opinion and I wanted to confirm. If my comment insulted you, you're very easily insulted.

supersean1999 · 23-01-2014 10:03PM

T-K-O wrote: »

That was my opinion and I wanted to confirm. If my comment insulted you, you're very easily insulted.

No not at all. I'd say you knew I was not 10. I'm just guessing. So stop trying to be smart. It does not suit some people. Now good bye

T-K-O · 23-01-2014 10:06PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

No not at all. I'd say you knew I was not 10. I'm just guessing. So stop trying to be smart. It does not suit some people. Now good bye

you said you were insulted, not me

gene_tunney · 23-01-2014 10:11PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

No desire for a rematch . Did you not see the first one.

Questions are generally indicated by ending the sentence with a question mark, as follows: "?".

I saw it, and now want to see something else. Too many rematches in boxing.

fsfg · 24-01-2014 07:20AM

gene_tunney wrote: »

Froch is running scared and it's the most obvious thing in the world

Froch wins the hypothetical rematch IMO but he's scared because he knows he would have to absorb serious damage in the first few rounds while Groves is still fresh.

That said, I have zero desire for a rematch, would rather see Froch and Chavez

Fair enough but you are in the smallest of minorities!

gene_tunney · 24-01-2014 07:33AM

fsfg wrote: »

Fair enough but you are in the smallest of minorities!

If a rematch happened I would watch it, as I'd watch nearly all boxing , but would rather see Froch vs Chavez or any other match up

wadacrack · 24-01-2014 11:42AM

If Froch is the "warrior" he claims to be.He will fight Groves again. Kessler gave him a rematch despite winning. Maybe froch should show a bit of humility and let the people see the fight come to a conclusion which did not happen in the first fight. Froch will ultimately be pushed into the fight and he knows Groves has his number

walshb · 24-01-2014 12:05PM

wadacrack wrote: »

If Froch is the "warrior" he claims to be.He will fight Groves again. Kessler gave him a rematch despite winning. Maybe froch should show a bit of humility and let the people see the fight come to a conclusion which did not happen in the first fight. Froch will ultimately be pushed into the fight and he knows Groves has his number

He doesn't know that Groves has his number. He won the fight. Yes, he may think that Groves poses serious problems, but that doesn't mean that Froch is somehow running scared. Maybe, just maybe Froch believes that "I took it all, came back and did a number on George." Maybe this fills him with confidence and satisfaction?

T-K-O · 24-01-2014 01:02PM

walshb wrote: »

He doesn't know that Groves has his number. He won the fight. Yes, he may think that Groves poses serious problems, but that doesn't mean that Froch is somehow running scared. Maybe, juts maybe Froch believes that I took it all, came back and did a number on George. Maybe this fills him with confidence and satisfaction?

If Carl is as big headed as many on here accuse him of being - He could very well believe that.

wadacrack · 24-01-2014 01:10PM

walshb wrote: »

He doesn't know that Groves has his number. He won the fight. Yes, he may think that Groves poses serious problems, but that doesn't mean that Froch is somehow running scared. Maybe, juts maybe Froch believes that I took it all, came back and did a number on George. Maybe this fills him with confidence and satisfaction?

If Froch was confident .Why wouldnt he take the rematch. It is a massive fight. Big payday and is the only way Froch can reclaim is diminishing reputation. The British boxing fans who have supported him for years would love to see the fight. there is no talk now of Froch fighting Ward or Stevenson. He is looking for an easy way out fighting Chavez who is not very good technically.Lets face it Froch was very very lucky in my opinion to get a stoppage. groves was in control according to all the media and expert scorecards. He hurt Groves but the stoppage was a joke. How he can could be satisfied with the conclusion of that fight beggars belief. But maybe his ego has become so big that he has become so delusional

walshb · 24-01-2014 01:25PM

wadacrack wrote: »

If Froch was confident .Why wouldnt he take the rematch. l

Maybe he doesn't fancy another tough fight at this stage of his career?

walshb · 24-01-2014 01:28PM

wadacrack wrote: »

to get a stoppage. groves was in control according to all the media and expert scorecards. He hurt Groves but the stoppage was a joke. How he can could be satisfied with the conclusion of that fight beggars belief. But maybe his ego has become so big that he has become so delusional

The more I watch the fight the less I think it was a bad stoppage. Maybe a fraction or so early, but it wasn't a terrible stoppage! Groves was hurt, groggy and it was rd 9. The referee made the call on what he saw at that time.

blade1 · 24-01-2014 01:31PM

walshb wrote: »

The more I watch the fight the less I think it was a bad stoppage. Maybe a fraction or so early, but it wasn't a terrible stoppage! Groves was hurt, groggy and it was rd 9. The referee made the call on what he saw at that time.

Froch was in worse trouble in round 1.

wadacrack · 24-01-2014 01:32PM

walshb wrote: »

The more I watch the fight the less I think it was a bad stoppage. Maybe a fraction or so early, but it wasn't a terrible stoppage! Groves was hurt, groggy and it was rd 9. The referee made the call on what he saw at that time.

Froch was hurt throughout the fight.Groves was hurt tho. But In the states not a chance it would have been stopped

walshb · 24-01-2014 01:44PM

blade1 wrote: »

Froch was in worse trouble in round 1.

He was knocked down. Got up, shook it off and continued. Completely different scenario to rd 9 and what happened between rds 2-9.

blade1 · 24-01-2014 02:20PM

blade1 wrote: »

Froch was in worse trouble in round 1.

walshb wrote: »

He was knocked down. Got up, shook it off and continued. Completely different scenario to rd 9 and what happened between rds 2-9.

Exactly!
No knockdown, no chance to shake it off.

T-K-O · 24-01-2014 02:55PM

blade1 wrote: »

Exactly!
No knockdown, no chance to shake it off.

Knock down Vs dead on your feet - I know which one I would prefer to be on end of

Gorman700 · 24-01-2014 02:55PM

walshb wrote: »

The more I watch the fight the less I think it was a bad stoppage. Maybe a fraction or so early, but it wasn't a terrible stoppage! Groves was hurt, groggy and it was rd 9. The referee made the call on what he saw at that time.

There was 7 punches to the head where Groves DID NOT reply, when the ref moved in he slumped over with both hand touching the canvas. IMO he was out on his feet.

HOWEVER, Howard Foster should have allowed the knock down to happen.

I'll give everyone a scenario, rd 9, Froch drops Groves, he recovers a little and then Froch gives it to him on the ropes and Foster jumps in like he did.....fair stoppage???

It was a stoppage. Just premature.

walshb · 24-01-2014 03:31PM

Gorman700 wrote: »

There was 7 punches to the head where Groves DID NOT reply, when the ref moved in he slumped over with both hand touching the canvas. IMO he was out on his feet.

HOWEVER, Howard Foster should have allowed the knock down to happen.

.

This to me is nit picking. The referee acts on split second reactions. He does not have the luxury to analyses and look back. Should have this, should have that. You, like me agree that Groves was in danger and looking hurt, getting hit with heavy shots. The referee allowed him to get hit with several and in his mind he thought George had then taken enough.

MD1990 · 24-01-2014 05:47PM

walshb wrote: »

The more I watch the fight the less I think it was a bad stoppage. Maybe a fraction or so early, but it wasn't a terrible stoppage! Groves was hurt, groggy and it was rd 9. The referee made the call on what he saw at that time.

maybe u do
but the IBF disagree
immediate rematch to take place withing 90 days from today
right decision because if that was alleged a fair stoppage we would be robbed of alot of classice fights

Pighead · 24-01-2014 06:12PM

MD1990 wrote: »

maybe u do
but the IBF disagree
immediate rematch to take place withing 90 days from today
right decision because if that was alleged a fair stoppage we would be robbed of alot of classice fights

Wow. So is this basically saying to Froch he has to fight Groves otherwise vacate his title?

PropJoe10 · 24-01-2014 06:45PM

Pighead wrote: »

Wow. So is this basically saying to Froch he has to fight Groves otherwise vacate his title?

Yep. It'll be interesting to see how Froch responds to this, considering he's trying to get a fight against Chavez. I really dislike both Froch and Groves but considering the way the first fight ended, surely a rematch is the only option for Froch.

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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