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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,181 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    There is a striking parallel between religious people complaining that they're being oppressed by not being allowed to oppress people, and MMO gamers who complain when their chosen faction's weapons/vehicles/equipment gets revised to better balance the experience for everyone.

    Nobody should really listen to either. It's petty and irritating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Since the atheists in foxholes argument keeps popping up I was doing a bit of reading about the MAAF in the States and found this interesting tidbit. In the US military at least, atheists are actually in higher proportion than in the general populace.

    http://www.prb.org/Source/ACF1396.pdf?page=27
    The number of American military personnel who claimed to be atheists or to have no religion was slightly higher than the GSS estimate for civilians ages 20 to 39, the age range for about 80 percent of military personnel. About 11 percent of military personnel did not provide religious affiliation data or claimed affiliation with other religions, almost four times as high as the GSS data for the 20-to-39-year-olds. Other recent surveys also have reported greater identification with no religion or other nontraditional religions than the GSS, but results vary greatly depending on how data are collected. Recent data suggest that military personnel generally have a lower affiliation with mainstream religious groups than the general population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    That's only going to be used as atheists have no morals arguments. "Look at the % of atheists who are soldiers!":(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Since the atheists in foxholes argument keeps popping up I was doing a bit of reading about the MAAF in the States and found this interesting tidbit. In the US military at least, atheists are actually in higher proportion than in the general populace.

    http://www.prb.org/Source/ACF1396.pdf?page=27

    In large parts of the US it is almost impossible to function as a human being if one admits to atheism (or even the wrong kind of religion). You can see this most obviously with the Presidency, were up until recently candidates could come damned close to saying they were atheist without losing a single vote, yet since the post war christianisation of the US government (started by Eisenhower) you have to loudly and constantly proclaim your christianity to get close to a major party nomination (this despite that the only president in the last forty five years to show any significant sign of christianity was Jimmy Carter).


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Here's a non-interactive "interactive" map of what the world would look like if all the planet's ice melted. Ireland doesn't come off too badly, but Holland and Denmark are in trouble.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/rising-seas/if-ice-melted-map


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    robindch wrote: »
    Here's a non-interactive "interactive" map of what the world would look like if all the planet's ice melted. Ireland doesn't come off too badly, but Holland and Denmark are in trouble.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/rising-seas/if-ice-melted-map
    There's a reason Holland spends as much of its budget on flood defences as we do on healthcare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    robindch wrote: »
    Here's a non-interactive "interactive" map of what the world would look like if all the planet's ice melted. Ireland doesn't come off too badly, but Holland and Denmark are in trouble.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/rising-seas/if-ice-melted-map

    Just to be pedantic. It's not about all the planet's ice. It's about the planet's land ice. The distinction is very important. Sea ice is like an ice cube floating in a glass of water. The water level isn't going to rise when the ice cube melts because the ice is already floating in it. The biggest causes of sea level change in the short term will be ice shelf's anchored to land falling into the sea and thermal expansion of the oceans as the oceans continue to buffer more and more excess energy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    To be even more pedantic, the sea levels will rise very slightly because of sea ice as ice is denser than water at 15°C (Earth's average temperature)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    robindch wrote: »
    Here's a non-interactive "interactive" map of what the world would look like if all the planet's ice melted. Ireland doesn't come off too badly, but Holland and Denmark are in trouble.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/rising-seas/if-ice-melted-map

    Its stuck on america for me, cant see anywhere else


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    To be even more pedantic, the sea levels will rise very slightly because of sea ice as ice is denser than water at 15°C (Earth's average temperature)

    Only if the 'water' is different. Fresh water ice to fresh water or salt water ice to salt water would make no difference. The tiny difference arises because the ice isn't identical when melted to the sea water. In any case, we're talking about <5 cm sea lever rise compared to approximately 100m! In most physical sciences that's 0. :o

    (Not sure how you're getting water to be 15ºC. btw)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    The part of the sea ice floating above the water level would still contribute to rising sea levels though.
    On the other hand, a crappy aurora borealis and an underwhelming solar maxima this year indicate we could/would soon be on the way to a cold period, similar to that last seen in the 17th C when all of northern Europe erupted in war. If it wasn't for the global warming effect of all the extra CO2 in the atmosphere nowadays, that is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    recedite wrote: »
    The part of the sea ice floating above the water level would still contribute to rising sea levels though.
    Nope. Think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    recedite wrote: »
    The part of the sea ice floating above the water level would still contribute to rising sea levels though.

    No it wouldn't. What determines the rise in water is the volume change of the material added to it. So the fact that ice is already floating in the water the volume change has already occurred. It doesn't matter how much ice is above the surface of the water. What the Pope pointed out is slightly different. It's related to the fact that the densities of the sea ice and the sea water aren't identical so there's a bit of volume change when the sea ice melts. In the ideal world with spherical chickens an ice mountain of 100m floating in the water wouldn't cause any sea level rise when it melts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Jernal wrote: »
    That's only going to be used as atheists have no morals arguments. "Look at the % of atheists who are soldiers!":(
    It's still interesting. :P
    In large parts of the US it is almost impossible to function as a human being if one admits to atheism (or even the wrong kind of religion). You can see this most obviously with the Presidency, were up until recently candidates could come damned close to saying they were atheist without losing a single vote, yet since the post war christianisation of the US government (started by Eisenhower) you have to loudly and constantly proclaim your christianity to get close to a major party nomination (this despite that the only president in the last forty five years to show any significant sign of christianity was Jimmy Carter).
    Yep, I'm there about twice a year. Still very self concious about who I'd say it to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Yep, I'm there about twice a year. Still very self concious about who I'd say it to.

    Never been myself, but any time relatives come over it is one of the things they always mention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!




  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Can't those billboards lasting too long if people are prepared to torch boards that have the much milder "Keep the Saturn in Saturnalia":

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/19/arson-attempted-at-atheist-billboard-put-up-to-protest-christmas-nj-police-say/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Understanding the Impact of Conservative Protestantism on Regional Variation in Divorce Rates

    http://www.contemporaryfamilies.org/impact-of-conservative-protestantism-on-regional-divorce-rates/
    Demographers Jennifer Glass at the University of Texas and Philip Levchak at the University of Iowa looked at the entire map of the United States, going county by county, to examine where divorces occurred in 2000 and what the characteristics of those counties were. Their work confirms that one of the strongest factors predicting divorce rates (per 1000 married couples) is the concentration of conservative or evangelical Protestants in that county.

    Glass and Levchak believe that this comes from living in a cultural climate where most people expect to marry young and there is little support from schools or community institutions for young people to get more education and postpone marriage and children.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/01/19/new-study-finds-that-divorce-rates-are-higher-in-counties-with-a-greater-concentration-of-conservative-christians/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
    Pantheos wrote:
    It’s important to note this study controlled for things like income and region. So even when you remove those elements, the higher divorce rates are “explained in large part by the earlier ages at first marriage and first birth, and the lower educational attainment and lower incomes of conservative Protestant youth.”

    It makes sense, even without the mathematical evidence to back it up. If you get married young (because you can only have sex when you’re married) and throw kids (stressors) into the mix, all before you’ve had a chance to establish a career, your relationship is going to have a lot of strain on it. If you live in an area where getting married young and having kids early is commonplace, the pressure is on you to just go with the flow.

    Remember that when someone says religion benefits society.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Utter waste of money

    http://www.thejournal.ie/government-reopens-vatican-embassy-1274965-Jan2014/
    Government to reopen Vatican embassy, 26 months after closing it
    Eamon Gilmore said the scaled-back embassy will have a staff of just one person and will help Ireland to engage directly with the leadership of Pope Francis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Oh, has the Pope magically gotten all those children un-raped? Are they finally paying their share of the compensation for abuse victims?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Sarky wrote: »
    Oh, has the Pope magically gotten all those children un-raped? Are they finally paying their share of the compensation for abuse victims?

    its ok, he told all Catholics they should feel shame about the raping.,

    All is good now, business can resume as normal in pope land


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Cabaal wrote: »
    its ok, he told all Catholics they should feel shame about the raping.,

    Is that the Papal version of 'Shure we all partied'? :eek:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    'Sixth Sense' Can Be Explained by Science
    The findings suggest the origin of the phenomenon in which a person seems to be intuitively aware of something that they don't believe they have seen or sensed in another way is due to the perception of differences in these visual metrics, not a sense that operates outside the normal laws of physics. For instance, in the case of Howe's student, she may have noticed tiny changes in his appearance (such as small cuts or a bandage), but not been consciously aware that she picked up on those cues.

    http://www.livescience.com/42635-esp-sixth-sense-just-vision.html


  • Moderators Posts: 51,859 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    The Known Universe video by American Museum of Natural History

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-francis-internet-1278682-Jan2014/
    Pope Francis says the internet is a gift from God
    However the Pope also warned internet users not to isolate themselves from society.

    I think he'll find its a gift from men of science, you know science...the way of looking at the world that caused the church to kill people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Pope Francis has never been to 4chan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Cabaal wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-francis-internet-1278682-Jan2014/
    I think he'll find its a gift from men of science, you know science...the way of looking at the world that caused the church to kill people.
    "I've given you free will. But if you do anything cool with it, I'll claim it as my own. Y'know, just cos".

    He's like that prick of a boss you don't see one end of the year to the next and then takes credit when your projects are delivered successfully.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Ironic, as without the Internet, I'd probably still be Religious.

    Grew up in a rural area with Religious people on both sides of the family. Internet and College helped remarkably.

    So... Cheers God for making me an Atheist!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    seamus wrote: »
    "I've given you free will. But if you do anything cool with it, I'll claim it as my own. Y'know, just cos".

    He's like that prick of a boss you don't see one end of the year to the next and then takes credit when your projects are delivered successfully.

    And when things go tits up, its all Dave's fault. For feck sake, Dave.

    Only Dave in this case is the devil.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    pangea_politik.jpg

    This image shows Pangea (the supercontinent that formed roughly 300 million years ago) mapped with contemporary geopolitical borders.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    A protestant looks into how the Vatican - aka The Holy See - got the way it is now. The last line is uncalled for in what looks like a mostly serious piece.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/how-did-the-holy-see-get-recognition-as-a-state-it-just-did-1.1664452
    It was the post office in the Vatican that earned the Holy See its first stamp of approval as a sovereign state. This explains why Vatican stamps are so huge and colourful, possibly. For pre-teen philatelists of my era the chunky, triangular stamps decorated with gold-tinged depictions of the papal tiara were greatly prized. You could swap one for half a dozen Brazilians. I was to be long past my stamp-collecting days before I realised that the reason for the stamps’ distinctiveness had to do not only with the Catholic Church’s penchant for gaudy display but also with reasons of state.

    Five years before February 1929, when Benito Mussolini and cardinal Pietro Gasparri signed the Lateran Treaty, creating Vatican City, the Vatican had joined the Universal Postal Union: its stamps were now approved and accepted. Within two years of the treaty the Vatican was admitted to the International Telecommunications Union, on the basis of its operation of Vatican Radio.

    It was by dint of its membership of these two institutions that the Vatican was able to sally forth into the secular world and present itself as a sort of state and win acceptance into United Nations bodies and other global organisations. A “sort of” state, because it was not clear, and still isn’t, what entity associated with the church was involved in these manoeuvres. What is the “Holy See” with which the Republic restored full diplomatic relations on Tuesday? The phrase refers to the “the juridical personification of the church” – the pope, the curia and the various departments, institutions and congregations that organise and control church activity. Not a state, then, in any sense in which the word is commonly used.

    Vatican City provides the temporal location for the Holy See but it is not a state either. Vatican City falls short of being a state not mainly because of its tiny size (smaller than Lahinch Golf Club), but because of a lack of citizens. You cannot become a Vatican citizen by inheritance from your parents or being born on the territory. Citizenship comes with having a job in the territory with the church. All deemed Vatican citizens on this basis are also citizens of their own countries. If they leave employment with the church, or move to a church position in another jurisdiction, Vatican citizenship lapses. All Vatican citizenship is temporary. On this last ground alone, the absence of a permanent citizen population, Vatican City fails to qualify as a state.

    And yet this constitutional wraith, the Holy See, has managed to have itself recognised as a state by more than 172 other states and all major international organisations. How did this happen? The answer is that it just did.

    In 1948 the Holy See applied for and was granted observer status by UN agency the Food and Agricultural Organisation. This was a first, quickly to be followed. In 1951 the Holy See sent observers to meetings of the World Health Organisation and the UN General Assembly. In the same year it was admitted as the first permanent observer to the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation. In 1956 a Holy See delegation turned up and participated in the founding conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency. The question of the Holy See’s credentials for assuming these roles appears not to have been raised. Nor was there any debate before the Holy See finally made it in 1964 into the VIP area of global diplomacy as a permanent observer at the UN.

    In March 1964 pope Paul VI wrote to UN secretary general U Thant saying he was minded to appoint a permanent observer. In April, U Thant wrote back saying, in effect, fair enough, come ahead. There was no resolution put to the general assembly or the security council. There is no document anywhere setting out the legal basis of the Holy See’s new status.

    The Holy See will have regarded its entitlement to a permanent place at the centre of things as incontestable because God-given. One New York journalist who expressed puzzlement about the arrangement to a member of the Holy See delegation in the 1970s was told that “it dates back to the 12th century”. The church is thus facilitated in presenting itself today as a religious organisation, tomorrow as a state – a handy arrangement, given some of its more sordid entanglements. The church in the US has routinely claimed sovereign immunity from compensation claims from victims of clerical abuse. In an instant thereafter, it can, as a religion, claim charitable status for the institutions in which the abuse took place.

    The twin-track approach will be sadly familiar to many in Ireland. Protestants I talk to about these subjects are invariably perplexed by the “now you Holy See us, now you don’t” approach. But there’s nothing much we can do about that. It just reflects one of the fundamental differences between our two traditions. There never was a Protestant born who could have thought up a scam like the Holy See.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    robindch wrote: »
    A protestant looks into how the Vatican - aka The Holy See - got the way it is now. The last line is uncalled for in what looks like a mostly serious piece.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/how-did-the-holy-see-get-recognition-as-a-state-it-just-did-1.1664452
    If he just left it at calling it a scam I would have no objection to the last line, stinks of smugness otherwise.

    Also if he was to take a look at some of the actions of the bible belt protestant churches he would quickly be proved wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    According to Wikipedia, Eamonn McCann is a 'staunch atheist' and was educated in a catholic school so [citation needed] for him being a protestant. Also, even if he had been brought up as one it's not the Hotel California Church (HCC) where you can check out but never leave.
    freyners wrote: »
    Also if he was to take a look at some of the actions of the bible belt protestant churches he would quickly be proved wrong

    Yeah but the televangelist guys haven't figured out how to get diplomatic immunity yet.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Salman Rushdie's Satantic Verses and other audiobooks are available on the Humble Bundle.
    Linky. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    Cabaal wrote: »
    {...}

    This image shows Pangea (the supercontinent that formed roughly 300 million years ago) mapped with contemporary geopolitical borders.

    Is this accurate? Europe looks far too big to me.

    The theory of life according to physics


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is this accurate? Europe looks far too big to me.

    No map projection is accurate :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    No map projection is accurate :P

    Ah well you need one of them there spherical monitors.

    Just like the prescription windscreens, a wonder of the age.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Somebody's granny died almost 20 years ago, leaving a card behind covered with a string of random-seeming letters. Years of intermittent effort by her family and friends fails to decode it, then a grandchild consults the internet. Took 12 minutes for the hivemind to start cracking it:

    http://ask.metafilter.com/255675/Decoding-cancer-addled-ramblings

    290584.jpg

    290583.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    OMG I had an idea how to crack that without opening the link!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Jernal wrote: »
    OMG I had an idea how to crack that without opening the link!:D

    Orla Molly Grogan?

    Only Mad Grecians?

    Open Many Documents????


    :confused:



    :pac:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Ten years old, but nobody's there to produce a cake or blow out the candles: (*)

    http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html











    (*) Assuming you could light them. And you were there. And had a cake. And candles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    90 days, they said. Be home, they said. Be grand, they said. :(

    Poor Oppy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    robindch wrote: »
    Ten years old, but nobody's there to produce a cake or blow out the candles: (*)

    http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html











    (*) Assuming you could light them. And you were there. And had a cake. And candles.
    At least he's still going, I feel bad for Spirit

    spirit.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Jernal wrote: »
    90 days, they said. Be home, they said. Be grand, they said. :(

    Poor Oppy.

    There was never a return trip. That's just robot religion talk.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    ninja900 wrote: »
    There was never a return trip. That's just robot religion talk.

    It's ok. They'll get their reward in silicon heaven.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    ninja900 wrote: »
    There was never a return trip. That's just robot religion talk.

    Now you have me thinking of that robot church in Futurama. :pac:


  • Moderators Posts: 51,859 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    SW wrote: »
    America's Most (and Least) Bible-Minded Cities



    <poster's a bit big to leave in a quote>

    Finally a study showing the link between belief in an imaginary being and inbreeding.

    And I bet "bible minded" doesn't mean "knows the contents of the bible" but "believes US law should be/is found in the bible".


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