Extreme radical "feminists" suffering sexual oppression unto them

B0jangles wrote: »

I'll take you word for it on the gay porn as A. It's been a while since I looked at any site and B. Don't want to go a-checking on this pc .

Also take your point about shaming people's tastes - I just think we can agree that what once seen as extreme is now practically seen as vanilla, and that while some aspects of BSDM are frequently used, others (like safewords etc.,) are completely left out. So anyone who gets their ideas about what constitutes acceptable BSDM-y behaviour from porn would get it very very wrong.

Gay porn is actually an interesting one in terms of this subject. The majority of gay porn actors are straight as arrows. They just get paid more for it. The Date My Pornstar actually went into a bit of detail on the gay porn industry as one of the participants was gay. Most of the anal sex is faked because most guys refuse to do it and the directors have no choice but to fake it.

You might wonder why the same degrading actions aren't depicted in it. I reckon it's because most men entering porn are doing so because they actually want to and are in a better position mentally. Just from watching documentaries and doing a little reading, it seems like the guys would tell a director to go fcuk himself if they proposed some of the stuff that the girls are pushed into.

The same documentary showed porn producers actively going after girls who were clearly way out of their depth and doing it because they needed money.

The funny thing is that guys are actually more in demand than girls in terms of porn actors. Although most lads would say they'd love the job, it seems that it's a lot harder to get a guy on camera than it is a girl. Welcome to LA.

The Corinthian wrote: »

Address my questions, rather than dismissing them. As to my proposing anything, I'm actually not; I'm challenging what you're claiming. As such the onus is on you to back up your claims.

No, I'm asking you to clarify your position on BDSM as you seem to be opposed to any sexual depiction of power relationships, which - oddly enough - would cover a lot of BDSM.

So how is anyone "actually degraded fom a larger societal standpoint" in a gozo flick (not a rape one, btw), but not in a BDSM one, when the same acts and the same understanding of consent are present in both?

Rape porn was what was most discussed, but I agree; lets talk about what you refer to as 'normal' porn. See question above.

And that makes it OK? Please see point made to B0jangles.

Indeed. Or not. After all, just because you or I are not into something should be then presume that they have 'issues'. Maybe gays have 'issues' then?

You're not being objective though. Objective would not seek to look at how mainstream porn compares to sex as you define it, which is what you're doing.

Ohhh... won't someone think of the children. Pathetic.

How about you actually respond to the questions I posed in my last response to you now?

Can you not respond like an adult instead of insulting people? Repeatedly in this thread you take a condescending tone.

1. Several times I've clarified my position on BDSM. Several times. If you're still unsure, perhaps a more specific question would help. I've repeatedly explained how the power dynamics, directing style, implied consent and themes are totally different.

2. The same "acts and understanding" are not present in BDSM and normal porn. Yes, both sets of actors are consenting to be in porn. Everyone has to consent to being in porn. BDSM and sex are different. See previous explanations.

3. You and I may not be into a lot of things, but I still view them as being okay. However, I don't think rape and treating females like they're **** is okay. Maybe that's a crazy viewpoint in your eyes. Or perhaps I'm not being "objective" enough in how I treat people.

4. I am being objective however, when I analyse porn. I'm analyzing porn from a scientific standpoint. Repeatedly I've posted links about how high-speed internet porn is an entirely different experience to watching a VHS a decade or two ago.

If you want to get into a larger philosophical discussion on pornography then I'll have to bow out. I've seen previous debates between yourself and other posters in other threads and it normally follows the path of you repeatedly muddying the waters with gibberish and convoluted points to be oh so profound.

If you think porn, a few highlights of which I've posted above as a reply to another person, is healthy, then more power to you.

I've no problem clarifying my position but I really can't explain why BDSM is different to regular porn again. I'd also appreciate a toning down of Internet hardman-ship. I'll not call you pathetic, so I'd appreciate the same.

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'm not arguing over the colour of the sky. I've never used Pornhub. But using one website as representative of all the porn and the direction it's taking is a bit weak. Also, a lot of those tube sites are user submitted. Those taglines weren't determined by Pornhub and most likely, not anyone associated in the industry.

How about you find out what they were actually ripped from? I very much doubt they've the same titles.



Porn is considered an issue of morality because a lot of people imply a certain amount of modesty towards sex. I knew about sex 20 years ago when I was 9. It really isn't that hard to talk to a kid about, let alone a teenager.

PornHub is the most widely used porn website. It makes up 2% of Internet traffic. PornHub, YouPorn, RedTube etc... are where most people view porn. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone paying for porn directly from studios.

Even if that isn't the real titles, the titles seem to fit with the content and portrayal of the female actors. So, my point stands in my opinion.

Porn, for me, isn't an issue of morality. I don't see viewing any porn is immoral. Neither is having any kind of kinky sex. Much in the same way I don't think taking hard drugs is immoral. However, I believe it can be damaging and it might be in a persons best interest to stand back and think about what they're doing for their own sakes.

Talking to kids about porn may help. But I'm sure you remember being fifteen. I'd of humped a couch if it had boobs.

Dravokivich wrote: »

And if it'll let me. I wasn't childish enough to presume I'd get what I want if I insisted on having it. Which is what you seem to be saying porn would lead teenagers to think they want, or must put up with.

It's not the case at all.

Can you back that up at all?

It's been known for quite a while that teens are learning about sex from hardcore pornography. When Channel 4 brought a real sex education program to a school and showed nude female bodies and nude male bodies, the kids (15/16) were disgusted.



How high-speed internet porn, its content, and its availability is warping young men and womens' ideas of sex, gender and beauty.

Dravokivich wrote: »

And if it'll let me. I wasn't childish enough to presume I'd get what I want if I insisted on having it. Which is what you seem to be saying porn would lead teenagers to think they want, or must put up with.

It's not the case at all.

Dravokivich wrote: »

I was under the impression you are saying what teenagers see in porn is what they expect sex should be, are you not?



I recall watching something like that. Was is not that they didn't find those people attractive/appealing? "Disgusted" is a bit of a heavey way of putting it. Role up some fitness models in the nip in front of'em and they'd of had a different opinion.



Unable to few the video here, will check it out later. But that arguement has been made of a whole range of other media such as fashion magazines for example.

Are you arguing that teens don't learn about sexuality, gender, beauty and sex from porn?

I am arguing that they DO. If I mixed up your point or took it the wrong way, my apologies.

But my point is that teens and young adults are viewing porn, and its impact is a lot more than just viewing big boobs and blonde hair as an ideal in women. It is extremely powerful and influences how they view their own gender, the opposite gender, sex, beauty and intimacy.

Dean0088 wrote: »

Are you arguing that teens don't learn about sexuality, gender, beauty and sex from porn?

I am arguing that they DO. If I mixed up your point or took it the wrong way, my apologies.

Teens would be much more bombarded with viewing sexuality, gender, beauty, sex, relationships, love, self-image, etc from popular media like magazines (women's magazines, especially), film, television shows, the news, gossip websites, fashion, music videos, celebrity culture, etc, as opposed to solely porn.

Often which portrays bizarre and unrealistic expectations for both genders.

They're subjected to these everyday whether they're on or offline, porn plays a smaller part when put alongside popular media & culture.

The Corinthian wrote: »

I called resorting to an appeal to emotion pathetic, and such tactics are pathetic, especially as we're getting little else to back up your claims.

I also find this feigned innocence and offence at 'Internet hardman-ship' from someone who's repeatedly claimed that what I've written is 'gibberish' equally pathetic - or perhaps just hypocritical.

Now try answering some of those questions I posed a few posts back, otherwise, I'll simply presume you're avoiding it and being dishonest.

Look. If you think asking someone to tone down the chest beating is "an appeal to emotion" and "pathetic" then I think we're done. I'm not 'appealing to your emotions'.

You may view yourself as a cold, logic driven genius, but you lack the ability to approach an issue from a humane standpoint. If you view that as a strength then I wish you well.

I post on this website as I would if I was chatting to someone in a bar or office. I don't speak as you post on this website, and I doubt your tone here would actually go down well for you in a real conversation.

You seem dead set on scientific evidence as opposed to the videos (which themselves are all researchers) that I find easier to digest on a Wednesday afternoon.

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"The results indicate that there is a 32, 31, and 37
percent respective increase over the baseline in sexual deviancy outcome for persons reporting exposure
to pornography. Similarly, in the analysis of sexual perpetration, correlations were computed for the
average d (r =.32) and average weighted d (r =.22), indicating a 32 and 22 percent respective increase in
sexual perpetration. For negative intimate relationships, correlations were computed for the average d (r
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=.39 ), average weighted d (r =.20), and average weighted corrected d (r=.24), revealing a 39, 20, and 24
percent respective increase in negative intimate relationships."

"A recent content analysis of fifty
best-selling adult videos revealed a grim “reality” characterized by inequality and violence.

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The importance of the sexual scripts usually seen in pornography may explain why
women are more likely to respond negatively to “conventional” pornography compared to
men.

Nearly half of the 304 scenes analyzed contained verbal aggression, while over 88% showed
physical aggression. Seventy percent of aggressive acts were perpetrated by men, and 87% of
the acts were committed against women. By far the victims’ most common responses were
pleasure or neutrality. Fewer than 5% of the aggressive acts provoked a negative response from
the victim, including flinching and requests to stop. This pornographic “reality” was further
highlighted by the relative infrequency of more positive behaviors, such as verbal compliments,
embracing, kissing, or laughter."


Again, all I ask is that you stop the Internet hardman talk. It very rarely translates into the real life.

Human sexuality is a very complex matter.

However, I find most porn to be crap, so I don't really bother looking at it. Fake and not like actual sex at all. Anyone who uses porn to teach themselves the basics of sex is an idiot.