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OK, so you're an atheist. What next?

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  • #32
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    J C wrote: »
    If you end up in Hell ... it will be your decision ... and nothing to with what you get up to on the Boards.:)

    Excellent. Once place I won't be going so. I take it your version of the pit is somewhat different to Dante's inferno which has places reserved for all non-Christians, atheists, etc... Not of course that I'd be going to that one either, short of anyone else getting me a bottle of absinthe as a birthday gift.
    The work of Saving people is never done.:)

    I guess not. Worth a shot though... :pac:

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  • #33
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    this is one thing they cant do.. go to heaven .... also i say alot of people that are atheists etc quit because they dont want the bother of going to mass etc half an hour in church isnt going to kill ya ..... just saying..... also good point j c

    Why would I want to go to a place where I would have no independent thoughts or memories, where I would not recognise any friends or family members, where my one and only thought/feeling/function would be to idolise a "God" who chose to murder millions in a fit of rage.


  • #34
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    hell is fire and lava and all that stuff only its black fire not red red fire is earthly and heavnely .. black fire is hell
    plus jesus is coming sooner than we think


  • #35
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    What's wrong with making a decision to try to live a good life and be kind to others without bowing to the will of a deranged deity?

    It clearly pisses said deranged deity right off. If we're talking about the big fella the Christian's go for, he did let his own son get tortured to death, drowned millions, and regularly turns a blind eye to all sorts of atrocities up to and including genocide. He just not that much of an accommodating, live and let live kind of God, and doesn't give a rats ass whether or not you're a nice guy. Kowtow or burn, baby. Kowtow or burn. :D

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  • #36
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Why would I want to go to a place where I would have no independent thoughts or memories, where I would not recognise any friends or family members, where my one and only thought/feeling/function would be to idolise a "God" who chose to murder millions in a fit of rage.

    Are we talking about mass or heaven here?

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  • #37
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    smacl wrote: »
    Are we talking about mass or heaven here?

    Heaven of course!

    All atheists already know that listening to mass is hell on earth :D


  • #38
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    What's wrong with making a decision to try to live a good life and be kind to others without bowing to the will of a deranged deity?
    Living a good life and being kind to others are excellent ideas.
    Bowing to the will of a deranged deity is not a good idea.

    Believing on the Sovereign Creator God of the Universe, who loves you and wants to Save you ... is an excellent idea.


  • #39
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    hell is fire and lava and all that stuff only its black fire not red red fire is earthly and heavnely .. black fire is hell
    plus jesus is coming sooner than we think

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  • #40
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    Living a good life and being kind to others are excellent ideas.
    Bowing to the will of a deranged deity is not a good idea.

    Believing on the Sovereign Creator God of the Universe, who loves you and wants to Save you ... is an excellent idea.


    And which of the many thousands of so called "Gods" would this be?


  • #41
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    J C wrote: »
    Living a good life and being kind to others are excellent ideas.
    Bowing to the will of a deranged deity is not a good idea.

    Believing on the Sovereign Creator God of the Universe, who loves you and wants to Save you ... is an excellent idea.

    Sounds like an abusive relationship. He loves me, but he gives me original sin and has to hurt me so I'll be a better person. If I do what he wants he will treat me well.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    And which of the many thousands of so called "Gods" would this be?

    The one true god duh*






    *Please enter geographical location so we can supply you with your God.


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  • #42
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Sounds like an abusive relationship. He loves me, but he gives me original sin and has to hurt me so I'll be a better person. If I do what he wants he will treat me well.

    When it comes to religion, J C does exhibit a lot of what's sometimes called "beaten wife syndrome"

    It's nice to know though that it's been used in the past as a defence for victims who ended up killing their abusers. No negative consequences for killing off God? I can dig it.


  • #43
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Sounds like an abusive relationship. He loves me, but he gives me original sin and has to hurt me so I'll be a better person. If I do what he wants he will treat me well.
    We sinned ourselves ... and we hurt ourselves ... so all of the abuse is one way ... from us to ourselves and to God.
    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    The one true god duh*
    ... with a capital G.;)


  • #44
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Sarky wrote: »
    When it comes to religion, J C does exhibit a lot of what's sometimes called "beaten wife syndrome"

    It's nice to know though that it's been used in the past as a defence for victims who ended up killing their abusers. No negative consequences for killing off God? I can dig it.

    The symptoms sure are apt.
    1. The abused thinks that the violence was his or her fault.
    2. The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere.
    3. The abused fears for their life and/or the lives of their children (if present).
    4. The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.
    J C wrote: »
    We sinned ourselves ... and we hurt ourselves ... so all of the abuse is one way ... from us to ourselves and to God.

    ... with a capital G.;)

    WE sinned? As far as I know 2 humans did (a woman leading a man astray, whats new there) and now everyone is born with sin. God created these issues and punishes us for what he created himself. This just shows the above symptoms perfectly.


  • #45
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    When it comes to religion, J C does exhibit a lot of what's sometimes called "beaten wife syndrome"

    It's nice to know though that it's been used in the past as a defence for victims who ended up killing their abusers. No negative consequences for killing off God? I can dig it.
    Only problem with your theory is that God doesn't abuse us.

    It's a bit like the Theory of Spontaneous Evolution ... it's only problem is that its totally invalid ... apart from that it's a brilliant theory!!!:)


  • #46
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    J C wrote: »
    Only problem with your theory is that god

    your make believe god .... not my make believe one


  • #47
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    J C wrote: »
    Only problem with your theory is that God doesn't abuse us.

    Thinking your abuse was deserved. Unable to place responsibility on the abuser. Belief your abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.

    Blimey, you're a textbook case.


  • #48
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    J C wrote: »

    If you end up in Hell ... it will be your decision ... and nothing to with what you get up to on the Boards.:)
    randomperson12 wrote: »
    hell is fire and lava and all that stuff only its black fire not red red fire is earthly and heavnely .. black fire is hell
    plus jesus is coming sooner than we think
    I'm not too worried. I won't be able to get near the fire for all the Catholic priests.


  • #49
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    randomperson12 is taking the week off so (s)he can hyperventilate in private.


  • #50
    delaad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭delaad


    No doubt its been done,...... but they can't imitate Miley and go "Ah, Holy God"


  • #51
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    robindch wrote: »
    randomperson12 is taking the week off so (s)he can hyperventilate in private.

    Like so?
    tumblr_lme0c1CoS21qe0eclo1_r10_500.gif


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  • #52
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,742 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    this is one thing they cant do.. go to heaven

    Neither can anyone else. Hah!
    plus jesus is coming sooner than we think

    It's happened to us all. If it's a recurring problem, treatment is available and (so I hear) it's quite effective.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #53
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    delaad wrote: »
    No doubt its been done,...... but they can't imitate Miley and go "Ah, Holy God"

    Though of course Lally was an atheist.

    On topic, the schools issue seems to be the biggest issue in this country. I'm house-hunting for a family home now and I'm so torn about whether I should buy in the area I actually really want to live in or the area near the ET school my son will be attending. I hate the thought of a car commute being a necessary part of his school day but not as much as I hate the thought of sending him to a religiously run school. I know how religion in school can get under the skin of a child and I won't subject him to that. I also wish he could live in the same neighbourhood as his schoolmates but that's not a runner even if we do live near the school he will be attending as it's a city centre school which has pupil intake from a huge radius. So no matter where we live he'll always be that bit different from the neighbourhood kids which has potential to effect any friendships negatively, while friendships with school friends will be limited to school or pre-organised playdates :vom: .


  • #54
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    iguana wrote: »
    house-hunting for a family home now and I'm so torn about whether I should buy in the area I actually really want to live in or the area near the ET school my son will be attending.

    We had pretty much the same issue, in that we moved from the south city to further out, but kept our kids in the ET school they were in as they were very happy there. Not ideal; earlier wake ups in the morning and organised play dates rather than spontaneous ones. The kids are very happy though, and there's no telling whether or not they would be if we'd done it any different. That said, my eldest decided to go to a Catholic girls school, and gets on fine, though religious indoctrination would be more of a concern at a younger more formative age.

    We moved out of the city centre as we didn't think it was great for kids, and also to get somewhere with big parks in walking distance and a larger garden. Wherever you move to, there's usually going to be some compromises.

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  • #55
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    iguana wrote: »
    On topic, the schools issue seems to be the biggest issue in this country. I'm house-hunting for a family home now and I'm so torn about whether I should buy in the area I actually really want to live in or the area near the ET school my son will be attending. I hate the thought of a car commute being a necessary part of his school day but not as much as I hate the thought of sending him to a religiously run school.
    I was in exactly the same position a few years back and after a good deal of weighing up of options, decided that the 10km school run was the lesser of two evils.

    Snowflake's in first class now and I can honestly say that I haven't doubted, even for a moment, that it was the right decision.


  • #56
    equivariant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭equivariant


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    this is one thing they cant do.. go to heaven .... also i say alot of people that are atheists etc quit because they dont want the bother of going to mass etc half an hour in church isnt going to kill ya ..... just saying..... also good point j c

    tell that to these people

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/suicide-attack-pakistani-church-peshawar


  • #57
    Mr_A
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭Mr_A


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    jesus is coming sooner than we think

    He can get help with that.


  • #58
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    hell is fire and lava and all that stuff only its black fire not red red fire is earthly and heavnely .. black fire is hell
    God is love...except when he condemns you to eternal hellfire. I always thought that was quite funny!


  • #59
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    robindch wrote: »
    I was in exactly the same position a few years back and after a good deal of weighing up of options, decided that the 10km school run was the lesser of two evils.

    He definitely won't be going to an NS school. I used to have quite a few sleepless nights as a kid worried that my agnostic Dad would go to hell for not believing in Jesus after my 2nd class teacher repeatedly told us that's what happens to those who reject Christ. I won't be taking the risk of my son feeling anything similar if I can help it. It's just that the residential areas near the ET school are either unsuitable for families or the most expensive in the city. In my preferred area there are two primaries a short walk away from the houses I'm looking at and three more a slightly longer walk away but four are Catholic and the fifth is CoI.

    It's just very frustrating trying to decide whether I should be prioritising a decent house and garden with extended family nearby or the stress reduction and freedom of being able to walk to school, when you are surrounded by schools made unsuitable by religion. I was prioritising the latter until it occurred to me that very few, if any, of the other pupils in the ET school would actually live near the school either. No matter where we live, he won't be able to walk home with his classmates and play impromptu games with them after school. So despite my constant second guessing, I've decided to concentrate on my preferred area and accept the commute .


  • #60
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    God is love...except when he condemns you to eternal hellfire. I always thought that was quite funny!
    God is loving and just ... so you condemn yourself (or not) to Hell.

    God is like an infinitely merciful and just judge ... repent and ask for forgiveness ... and He will pay your fine and discharge you ... defy Him and tell Him you have no intention of reforming ... and He will 'send you down' ... and who can blame Him??

    ... and another thing that Atheists can't do because they don't (or won't) believe in God ... is to become Saved.:)


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  • #61
    Cabaal
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    J C wrote: »
    God is loving and just ... so you condemn yourself (or not) to Hell.

    God is like an infinitely merciful and just judge ... repent and ask for forgiveness ... and He will pay your fine and discharge you ... defy Him and tell Him you have no intention of reforming ... and He will 'send you down' ... and who can blame Him??

    ... and another thing that Atheists can't do because they don't (or won't) believe in God ... is to become Saved.:)

    one thing we can do is have alot more free time to actually live our lives, instead of worrying about what won't actually happen when we all eventually die.

    think of all the wasted time you've spend praying to nothing,


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