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Extreme radical "feminists" suffering sexual oppression unto them

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  • #332
    poundapunnet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭poundapunnet


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Indeed, however I find it surprising and more than a little alarming that so many women went out and bought Fifty Shades of Grey though, so it's probably a slightly more complex issue than we may wish to admit.

    It's not really about porn, you know. It's about superficial hyper-individualism and consumerism in modern society, with most of the principle characters treating each other like objects or resources in different ways and no one truly listening or 'connecting' with each other. Porn, for the title character, was simply one example of this.

    well I think it's fair to say women have more appetite for men for erotic fiction, the fact that it was women who were buying it isn't that surprising, the fact that millions of them did is. Shocking book, not the sex like, just shocking bad.

    It's about Twilight fan-fiction I thought? You were talking about Don Jon, not Fifty Shades, woops.

    It is a complex issue, I would have thought that was the first thing to admit about it, if you don't care to or if you care to continue making loaded marks like that in my general direction fair enough.


  • #333
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    Dean0088 wrote: »
    I don't think anyone who watches rape porn (which, incidentally, is one of the fastest growing genres) would actually commit rape. It's likely fantasy. However, it says a lot about their mental health and view of women if it turns them on to see a woman getting raped (even if it is staged). Again, you'd be forgiven for thinking rape porn and similar genres were on the fringes - quite contrary. It's just everyone know how taboo it would be to discuss the latest rape scene they shot their bolt to. A quick browse on PornHub or similar sites will confirm that these videos have view stats into the hundreds of thousands within days of being posted, which over shadow many less extreme genres.
    What about women who watch it or have rape fantasies?


  • #334
    Fukuyama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    We see certain things as demeaning depending on gender. A woman deep throating a man is demeaning, a woman sitting on top of a mans face isn't demeaning. Both are in the BDSM sphere and both can be completely outside of it.

    My own opinion about why women watch rape pornography is that its a fear response. If a woman is afraid of something, and I'd say plenty of women are terrified in this day and age, then it may feed into the woman's sexual fantasies. I think it's a good way of getting over that fear, which is why I will never complain about Fifty Shades Of Grey. Anything that helps women with the fear of getting attacked is good in my book.

    Although it does raise a question. If you make men afraid they are going to turn into rapists, then would that make them have rape fantasies?

    Go and take a gander at what constitutes rape porn. It's disturbing.

    The female is crying, begging to be released etc... The man (or men) have total control. They do depraved **** to her. The mentality of control and dehumanisation is pretty much why rapists rape - it has very little to do with normal hornyness.


  • #335
    poundapunnet
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What about women who watch it or have rape fantasies?

    .............I'm not even going to say it.


  • #336
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    poundapunnet wrote: »
    .............I'm not even going to say it.

    Go ahead, I can handle it.


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  • #337
    The Corinthian
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    Dean0088 wrote: »
    The whole film revolves around porn addiction.
    I disagree. The moment he is able to make a human connection, sexually, with someone else he abandons the porn without any effort - hardly the sign of an addiction. He even equates his use of porn, with Barbara's attitude twoards men, in his final conversation with her.

    I think people just looked superficially at how porn is used in the movie and decided it was about porn addiction. Personal opinion naturally.
    poundapunnet wrote: »
    well I think it's fair to say women have more appetite for men for erotic fiction, the fact that it was women who were buying it isn't that surprising, the fact that millions of them did is. Shocking book, not the sex like, just shocking bad.
    So that much of the sex in that badly written book involved "women being degraded or simulating being raped" from what I gather (I've only read the one chapter). Indeed, the rape fantasy isn't exactly unknown amongst women and has been around long before the Internet or that infamous night that Gay Byrne put a condom on a Banana on the Late Late and opened the doors to sex in Ireland.

    All I've said is that it's probably a more complex issue than simply blathering on about how porn is to blame. Seems to be a seriously hot topic for some reason.
    It is a complex issue, I would have thought that was the first thing to admit about it, if you don't care to or if you care to continue making loaded marks like that in my general direction fair enough.
    What on Earth do you mean "the first thing to admit about it"? Loaded remarks? Where? Seriously?


  • #338
    poundapunnet
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    The Corinthian wrote: »
    So that much of the sex in that badly written book involved "women being degraded or simulating being raped" from what I gather (I've only read the one chapter). Indeed, the rape fantasy isn't exactly unknown amongst women and has been around long before the Internet or that infamous night that Gay Byrne put a condom on a Banana on the Late Late and opened the doors to sex in Ireland.

    All I've said is that it's probably a more complex issue than simply blathering on about how porn is to blame. Seems to be a seriously hot topic for some reason.

    What on Earth do you mean "the first thing to admit about it"? Loaded remarks? Where? Seriously?

    when you quote my posts and say things like that in your replies, you are implying or creating the situation where it is very reasonable to infer that those comments are directed at me, you understand that well enough, or at least you should given how active you are on this site. I have nowhere "blathered on about how porn is to blame" for anything, I have nowhere said that it isn't a complex issue, the first thing I would think about it is that it is a complex issue, as it is an issue about human sexual desires and behaviours. That's what on earth I mean.


  • #339
    The Corinthian
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    poundapunnet wrote: »
    when you quote my posts and say things like that in your replies, you are implying or creating the situation where it is very reasonable to infer that those comments are directed at me, you understand that well enough, or at least you should given how active you are on this site.
    I meant people blathering on in general, as people tend to do on such sites. Seriously, get over yourself.


  • #340
    poundapunnet
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    The Corinthian wrote: »
    I meant people blathering on in general, as people tend to do on such sites. Seriously, get over yourself.

    Seriously, learn some manners. I'd imagine we're done talking to each other?


  • #341
    bodice ripper
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What about women who watch it or have rape fantasies?

    Goths. Totally normal.


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  • #342
    The Corinthian
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    poundapunnet wrote: »
    Seriously, learn some manners. I'd imagine we're done talking to each other?
    You might want to keep that paranoia in check if you expect others to be polite to you. Yes, I think we're done here.


  • #343
    Fukuyama
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What about women who watch it or have rape fantasies?

    Maybe some women do watch it.

    The main subject matter is a woman having the head kicked off her and being violently gang raped, with a specific emphasis by these directors on the degrading nature of the act and the emotional trauma of the 'victim'. So I'd say anyone who gets pleasure from that is messed up, male or female.

    However, you'll excuse my ghastly show of sexism for focusing on the target market for 99% of internet pornography, weird or otherwise - men.


  • #344
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    poundapunnet wrote: »
    I'm not saying there SHOULD be equal numbers in everything, I'm saying that glib excuses like "they don't apply for it, I guess they don't like it" isn't an answer.
    Nice try to twist 2 things together. Women not putting themselves forward is the issue in politics and policing.
    Using the total data is either being obtuse or plain misleading when it comes to university lecturers. The number of students of each gender now won't reflect the number of people with the required experience in the subject for lecturing. Up until even 10 years ago the gender imbalance was massive in certain science subjects, now it's less so. Should the 50 year old male lecturers have to make way for young female lecturers or something? It takes time for changes to take place.
    One thing I do find odd though is that there is more money to be made professionally rather than in academia in many fields. If women do become a majority in academia while the men they graduated with out-earn them will that also be "evidence" of sexism?[/quote]
    My experience with lecturing staff doesn't match up with yours and I'm an arts graduate, but I guess we'll have to take each others' word on that one....and if it was just to do with experience and something that would naturally correct itself over time as that gap closes, wouldn't you expect other countries to be ahead of us?

    and yet
    Where did you go and when? I'm just trying to count up now and of the 10 lecturers I've had from Arts it was a 50/50 split gender-wise with 1 man under 40 and 1 woman over 40. 3/5 male lecturers were basically guest lecturers. In science the male lecturers are all at least in their late 40s while the female lecturers skew much younger. Despite it mainly being males in the science subject (just about, for now) most lectures were delivered by women, incredible.

    What, Ireland is the only country that ever discriminated against women? There's a hangover which takes a while to clear in the statistics, even in the wonderfully progressive Nordic states, of which some are below Ireland. As parity is approached in graduate numbers there's obviously going to be a long lag before lecturers and especially senior lecturers reach parity for that subject. On top of that there's the fact that women are more likely to have had children by the time they could have the experience such a position would require and some will choose to stay at home. Even in countries where childcare is apparently less of an issue (from your own link) they're worse than Ireland.
    And again, to reiterate, none of this means that I think men are never at a disadvantage or that they're not discriminated against, or that there are not certain areas where it is acceptable to make comments about or behave towards men in a way that would not be acceptable towards a woman.
    Where did I say that? My point has always been that outcomes don't necessarily reflect processes. Some people seem happy to say the opposite though. In many cases where men do worse I don't see discrimination, I see that men tend to make worse choices. In some cases there's demonstrable discrimination (less spent on health awareness, health research, divorce, things like that), but that's using evidence from the processes, not from the results or "evidence" which is basically just someone's perception.


  • #345
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    Dean0088 wrote: »
    Maybe some women do watch it.

    The main subject matter is a woman having the head kicked off her and being violently gang raped, with a specific emphasis by these directors on the degrading nature of the act and the emotional trauma of the 'victim'. So I'd say anyone who gets pleasure from that is messed up, male or female.
    Fair enough, I'll be telling a few people they need to seek professional help.
    However, you'll excuse my ghastly show of sexism for focusing on the target market for 99% of internet pornography, weird or otherwise - men.
    99%? Maybe it's what you're searching for that's the problem?


  • #346
    Femme_Fatale
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    Dean0088 wrote: »
    The main subject matter is a woman having the head kicked off her and being violently gang raped, with a specific emphasis by these directors on the degrading nature of the act and the emotional trauma of the 'victim'.
    Ew, Jesus...
    It doesn't matter that the actress is paid to appear in it; the depiction is f'ucked up, and I doubt every actress who agrees to appear in such stuff isn't messed up in some way.

    People get fierce defensive of nasty hardcore porn though - no doubt because it hits a nerve when the issues with it are pointed out.


  • #347
    The Corinthian
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    Dean0088 wrote: »
    However, you'll excuse my ghastly show of sexism for focusing on the target market for 99% of internet pornography, weird or otherwise - men.
    I think the point being made is that both men and women have their own pornographic mediums of choice, with women seemingly having a preference for pornographic literature (please don't call it erotic, like it's got a better pot to piss in).

    What the success of books like Fifty Shades of Grey have demonstrated is that fantasies revolving around violence, degradation and rape are popular with women, every bit as they appear to be with the male market - that one may be delivered as an mpeg and another as an epub, is just the media used.

    So it appears to be, and long has been, the target market for 99% of pornography, weird or otherwise - men and women.


  • #348
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    People get fierce defensive of nasty hardcore porn though - no doubt because it hits a nerve when the issues with it are pointed out.

    Ah good old projection.


  • #349
    Femme_Fatale
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah good old projection.
    How on earth is that projection?

    This is exactly the kind of defensiveness I'm talking about.


  • #350
    Fukuyama
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Fair enough, I'll be telling a few people they need to seek professional help.

    If I knew someone who got off to rape videos I'd be encouraging them to seek help too.

    99%? Maybe it's what you're searching for that's the problem?

    As I said, I've gone off porn. But maybe I'm out of touch now and the frontpage of PornHub targets women. Who knows...


  • #351
    poundapunnet
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nice try to twist 2 things together. Women not putting themselves forward is the issue in politics and policing.

    I'm really not trying to twist anything. My point is pretty simple, if women aren't putting themselves forward (and they aren't) then why? Maybe they genuinely just aren't interested, but all I'm saying is them not putting themselves forward is not the end point of the argument.
    Where did you go and when? I'm just trying to count up now and of the 10 lecturers I've had from Arts it was a 50/50 split gender-wise with 1 man under 40 and 1 woman over 40. 3/5 male lecturers were basically guest lecturers. In science the male lecturers are all at least in their late 40s while the female lecturers skew much younger. Despite it mainly being males in the science subject (just about, for now) most lectures were delivered by women, incredible.

    UCC, graduated within the last five years. One class had about 10% male students, 80% lecturing staff. One class about 60-70% female, around 70% male lecturing staff, one department had I think 1 female lecturer, honestly can't remember in the other.
    What, Ireland is the only country that ever discriminated against women? There's a hangover which takes a while to clear in the statistics, even in the wonderfully progressive Nordic states, of which some are below Ireland. As parity is approached in graduate numbers there's obviously going to be a long lag before lecturers and especially senior lecturers reach parity for that subject. On top of that there's the fact that women are more likely to have had children by the time they could have the experience such a position would require and some will choose to stay at home. Even in countries where childcare is apparently less of an issue (from your own link) they're worse than Ireland.

    That's pretty much what I was saying, if this is down to numbers of graduates you'd expect countries with a longer history of college education for women to see that reflected in the numbers of academics?
    Where did I say that? My point has always been that outcomes don't necessarily reflect processes. Some people seem happy to say the opposite though. In many cases where men do worse I don't see discrimination, I see that men tend to make worse choices. In some cases there's demonstrable discrimination (less spent on health awareness, health research, divorce, things like that), but that's using evidence from the processes, not from the results or "evidence" which is basically just someone's perception.

    No in fairness you didn't say that, which wasn't clear when I said that in a post quoting yours, that was just a preemptive strike against some of the misunderstanding that's been happening in this thread.
    They don't necessarily reflect processes but they may, and it's silly not to take them into account at least, surely? If men are making worse choices in some instances (I guess around doing things that'll land them in prison?) then why? And what is the relationship and relative importance of them tending to make worse choices or the system being stacked against them? I have no agenda in asking these questions like, it's a big subject and it's just a pity it always has to descend into tit-for-tat he-said-she-said (last bit, again, not directed at you)/


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  • #352
    clairefontaine
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    This obsession with pornography is insane. It's because it's sex that everyone has a problem with it, yet decapitations are now part of regular mainstream television. I don't like porn, but why does porn get all the moral focus but the violence on tv does not?


  • #353
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    How on earth is that projection?

    This is exactly the kind of defensiveness I'm talking about.
    Sorry, projection was the wrong term. An attempt to undermine an opposing view by indirectly saying something about them. You can be sure I'll get defensive when presented with the following:
    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    People get fierce defensive of nasty hardcore porn though - no doubt because it hits a nerve when the issues with it are pointed out.

    What nerve do you think it's hitting for me? Because I can tell you it's the implication from that post there, rather than anything to do with porn that's hitting a nerve. I will get defensive when people imply untruths about me, as I'm sure you would.


  • #354
    poundapunnet
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    clairefontaine wrote: »
    This obsession with pornography is insane. It's because it's sex that everyone has a problem with it, yet decapitations are now part of regular mainstream television. I don't like porn, but why does porn get all the moral focus but the violence on tv does not?

    I was going to say maybe it's because porn is so easy to access for any kids with access to the internet but I tested my theory and googled some violent things, and jaysis, google helpfully suggested that I improve my search by adding the terms "mexican cartel" so honestly, I don't know.


  • #355
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sorry, projection was the wrong term. An attempt to undermine an opposing view by indirectly saying something about them. You can be sure I'll get defensive when presented with the following:


    What nerve do you think it's hitting for me? Because I can tell you it's the implication from that post there, rather than anything to do with porn that's hitting a nerve. I will get defensive when people imply untruths about me, as I'm sure you would.
    If people aren't willing to admit the obvious issues with porn depicting gang-bangs/beatings, and even get snarky about these being pointed out, then it's highly likely because they are uncomfortable with these truths, as viewers of it.


  • #356
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    clairefontaine wrote: »
    This obsession with pornography is insane. It's because it's sex that everyone has a problem with it, yet decapitations are now part of regular mainstream television. I don't like porn, but why does porn get all the moral focus but the violence on tv does not?
    Yet hardcore porn is also viewed positively, only fantasy, enjoyable; it's celebrated - because pushing the boundaries of sexuality is great.

    Violence is not. It may be shown a lot (are decapitations really a part of regular mainstream television?) but not with a positive spin.


  • #357
    clairefontaine
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    poundapunnet wrote: »
    I was going to say maybe it's because porn is so easy to access for any kids with access to the internet but I tested my theory and googled some violent things, and jaysis, google helpfully suggested that I improve my search by adding the terms "mexican cartel" so honestly, I don't know.

    That's right. The mexican cartel have images on the web of decapitated men hanging from bridges. Now that is reality on the web.

    But it has entered mainstream entertainment too.

    It's not only easy to access, its put out there on tv, whereas porn is not. You have to seek out porn.


  • #358
    Fukuyama
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Ew, Jesus...
    It doesn't matter that the actress is paid to appear in it; the depiction is f'ucked up, and I doubt every actress who agrees to appear in such stuff isn't messed up in some way.

    The porn industry has zero protection for actors - male or female. Other than gay porn or specific genres, it's the females who will be subject to a lot of depraved actions. It's a stressful job and not many people (despite how strong they think they are) could endure it. Most people feel uncomfortable at the beach, never mind a porn set.

    Most documentaries I've seen have producers talking about the "average runtime for a girls career" being two years before she's "broken" mentally and physically. The Date My Pornstar documentary on 4OD has a difficult to watch scene where a female performer breaks down on set and is forced to get back to work. And that was for "normal" porn.

    The fact that they're paid means nothing. Employers have a duty of care towards an employee's well-being. In most high-stress jobs (police, military etc..) you're psychologically tested to ensure you're mentally strong enough.

    But despite the fact that a lot of porn actors are as young as 18 and come from troubled homes, it seems perfectly okay under US law to film a highly realistic "full contact" rape scene for $500.

    The mind boggles.


    People get fierce defensive of nasty hardcore porn though - no doubt because it hits a nerve when the issues with it are pointed out.

    The person with a problem will always be the one who'll aggressively defend their position down to the last straw.
    The Corinthian wrote: »
    I think the point being made is that both men and women have their own pornographic mediums of choice, with women seemingly having a preference for pornographic literature (please don't call it erotic, like it's got a better pot to piss in).

    What the success of books like Fifty Shades of Grey have demonstrated is that fantasies revolving around violence, degradation and rape are popular with women, every bit as they appear to be with the male market - that one may be delivered as an mpeg and another as an epub, is just the media used.

    So it appears to be, and long has been, the target market for 99% of pornography, weird or otherwise - men and women.

    Firstly, you'll have to excuse my ignorance on that Fifty Shades crap. It's my understanding that it focuses more on BDSM instead of actual rape. As far as I'm concerned, BDSM is two consenting adults exploring boundaries. Rape is something else entirely.

    If Fifty Shades of Grey featured a scene where a female character was crying, pleading to be let go while being beaten and forced upon (100% against her will, not in a BDSM way) then I'll concede that it's on par with rape porn. And anyone who enjoyed reading it needs help. At the very least, nobody was harmed in the making of it. This cannot be said for porn.


  • #359
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    poundapunnet wrote: »
    I'm really not trying to twist anything. My point is pretty simple, if women aren't putting themselves forward (and they aren't) then why? Maybe they genuinely just aren't interested, but all I'm saying is them not putting themselves forward is not the end point of the argument.
    So quotas?
    UCC, graduated within the last five years. One class had about 10% male students, 80% lecturing staff. One class about 60-70% female, around 70% male lecturing staff, one department had I think 1 female lecturer, honestly can't remember in the other.
    Age profile of lecturers? Previous make-up of students? Were recent graduates going on to more lucrative employment?
    That's pretty much what I was saying, if this is down to numbers of graduates you'd expect countries with a longer history of college education for women to see that reflected in the numbers of academics?
    It's not just about how long women have been in college. In Ireland there were other issues til 30/40 years ago preventing progression. I'm not totally familiar with other countries but the quality of degrees will matter. Also the concentration of the genders in different subjects, assuming that there's a been a 50/50 split.
    America while having plenty of female students for a long time discriminated plenty so that's still correcting itself. What's the student split now and for the last 20 years?
    No in fairness you didn't say that, which wasn't clear when I said that in a post quoting yours, that was just a preemptive strike against some of the misunderstanding that's been happening in this thread.
    They don't necessarily reflect processes but they may, and it's silly not to take them into account at least, surely? If men are making worse choices in some instances (I guess around doing things that'll land them in prison?) then why? And what is the relationship and relative importance of them tending to make worse choices or the system being stacked against them? I have no agenda in asking these questions like, it's a big subject and it's just a pity it always has to descend into tit-for-tat he-said-she-said (last bit, again, not directed at you)/
    People are different and gender isn't purely a social construct. Why people do the things they do is more to do with the personal than the institutions they do them within, IMO.
    Loads of young lads are unemployed after leaving school early to take well-paying, unskilled jobs. They did well for a while, now they're not doing well. Men probably tend to think more short-term and will go for short-term gain (would explain some of the health stuff too). This has advantages and disadvantages. They had their advantages for several years in the construction industry and now it's tough titty for them. The same kind of short-termism and risk-taking can apply to higher crime rates, drug use and the like.
    When the same patterns repeat across countries, employment sectors, and cultures I have to wonder if maybe there's a bigger correlation between behaviour and gender than modern academia would have us believe.
    (One thing I did find interesting from that map of female proportion of faculties was that Turkey of all places had the highest while some Asian countries which are sometimes held up as examples of female-dominated societies had the lowest. Hard one to explain.)


  • #360
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    If people aren't willing to admit the obvious issues with porn depicting gang-bangs/beatings, and even get snarky about these being pointed out, then it's highly likely because they are uncomfortable with these truths, as viewers of it.
    Bull****, you were trying to imply some seediness (to put it mildly) on my part and then act surprised when I get "defensive". Very poor form.


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  • #361
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    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    If it's okay for young women to read graphic depictions that border, and many times completely overstep, on rapiness, then it should be okay for young men to watch 'kinky' sex.

    Do you see no difference between literary porn (featuring your imagination) and movie porn (featuring actual women and men)?
    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    If a woman is afraid of something, and I'd say plenty of women are terrified in this day and age, then it may feed into the woman's sexual fantasies. I think it's a good way of getting over that fear, which is why I will never complain about Fifty Shades Of Grey. Anything that helps women with the fear of getting attacked is good in my book.

    You'd have to walk me through that connection because I'm genuinely missing how a link could be made between being terrified of assault and assuaging one's terror through the medium of violent porn.
    The Corinthian wrote: »
    What the success of books like Fifty Shades of Grey have demonstrated is that fantasies revolving around violence, degradation and rape are popular with women, every bit as they appear to be with the male market - that one may be delivered as an mpeg and another as an epub, is just the media used.
    .

    I think the enjoyment of porn through the medium of one's imagination is fundamentally different to the enjoyment of porn through watching an actual woman being degraded and abused (even presumably consensually). It's a false equivalence.

    I'm not pro or anti-porn because I've never given it enough thought to have an opinion either way.


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