Boyles are getting worse

okidoki987 · 20-01-2014 3:37pm #1

Racing Double today.
Summerfree 3.00 & Elusive Hawk 4.00 both to win at Wolverhampton.
Enhanced to 10/3.
Their own prices were 8/11 Summerfree and 13/8 Elusive Hawk which works
out at 3.53/1 double or just over 7/2.
PP were 4/1 the same double.
Price was unchanged for over an hour.

They keep enhancing their football based Boylemanias to what the rest of the market are with a €50 max bet but you can go into another bookie and have whatever you want on it at the same price?
They never do a "normal" straight Win Football Treble anymore, instead they do a team -1 goal or -2 in with 2 hotties and no enhanced horses on the shows anymore.

Their PL prices are the worst out of all the main bookies (PP, Hills, BetVictor, Bet365, Betfred, Coral & Lads)
1st goalscorer prices are shocking compared to the rest of the market
but I assume this is because of the double the odds if he scores in the 1st 20 mins they are running but that's not an excuse to be that short.
Would assume they havn't paid out that often on it so far either.

carraig2 · 20-01-2014 3:40pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

Racing Double today.
Summerfree 3.00 & Elusive Hawk 4.00 both to win at Wolverhampton.
Enhanced to 10/3.
Their own prices were 8/11 Summerfree and 13/8 Elusive Hawk which works
out at 3.53/1 double or just over 7/2.
PP were 4/1 the same double.
Price was unchanged for over an hour.

They keep enhancing their football based Boylemanias to what the rest of the market are with a €50 max bet but you can go into another bookie and have whatever you want on it at the same price?
They never do a "normal" straight Win Football Treble anymore, instead they do a team -1 goal or -2 in with 2 hotties and no enhanced horses on the shows anymore.

Their PL prices are the worst out of all the main bookies (PP, Hills, BetVictor, Bet365, Betfred, Coral & Lads)
1st goalscorer prices are shocking compared to the rest of the market
but I assume this is because of the double the odds if he scores in the 1st 20 mins they are running but that's not an excuse to be that short.
Would assume they havn't paid out that often on it so far either.

The range of bets in play is also dire compared to other bookies. Very few first half markets for instance

Collie D · 20-01-2014 3:59pm

Very much a high street bookie I think. Geared towards customers ocming in off the street where they don;t have many other options if they fancy a bet. I can't imagine their online business is very successful when a quick click on Oddschecker will tell you how poor they are.

Don't think I've ever had more than two or three bets with them in all the years my account has been open. Very rare they're top proice on anything I've fancied. More miserable than Ladbrokes and that takes some doing

okidoki987 · 20-01-2014 5:32pm

1st goalscorer tonight, they are 4/1 Lukaku.
Ladbrokes are enhanced at 11/2 (Max €25) ordinary price was 9/2, the same price as most other bookies including Betfred who are Double/Treble the odds if 1st scores 2nd and a 3rd.

okidoki987 · 20-01-2014 7:26pm

Betfred into 4's Lukaku now.

Hulk Hands · 21-01-2014 3:19pm

The results for the industry have been terrible for the past 6 months. Irish racing has seen mostly favs winning, which would be a huge part of Boyles turnover. Then there was the horrific soccer results of last wkend with 14/15 best backed winning. Some bookies have the funds and resources to withstand this and continue giving good offers. Boyles, a two bit operation, don't.

okidoki987 · 21-01-2014 5:30pm

The footie results were only bad 2 weekends ago, the rest of the season has been pretty good for them with a few hotpots getting turned over every week.
Boyles are the 2nd biggest bookie in Ireland afaik so there's no excuse for their pricing.
They are always the worst price of the Top PL teams every Saturday.
It might only be 11/8 against 6/4 the rest of the market but add them up every week for the year and it would be a good chunk of extra profit for them.
Hills posted some good results last week so they should have been okay.

premierstone · 21-01-2014 6:37pm

They are streets ahead of alot of firms including PP for most antepost horse racing, it all evens out really and thats why having multiple accounts is a no brainer really.

whiteshorts · 21-01-2014 7:12pm

Don't think so.
They are still Ante Post rules on the Big 4 Cheltenham races, PP are NRNB as are Bet Victor & Bet365.

Quick check of the Prices:

Champ Hurdle they are 3's Hurricane Fly, 10/3 in other places.
Champ Chase they are evens Sprinter the same as a few others but Ante Post rules applying.
World Hurdle they are 7/4 Big Bucks lowest price anywhere, as high as 5/2 with Ante Post rules, 2/1 Bet Victor & PP with NRNB.
Gold Cup they are 9/4 Bobs Worth but so are Bet Victor & PP again NRNB.

Might be bigger some of the "smaller" Cheltenham races.

"multiple accounts is a no brainer really. "

Absolute NO brainer.
Anybody who doesn't have multiple accounts needs their heads examined.

whiteshorts · 21-01-2014 7:14pm

Don't think so.
They are still Ante Post rules on the Big 4 Cheltenham races, PP are NRNB as are Bet Victor & Bet365.

Quick check of the Prices:

Champ Hurdle they are 3's Hurricane Fly, 10/3 in other places.
Champ Chase they are evens Sprinter the same as a few others but Ante Post rules applying.
World Hurdle they are 7/4 Big Bucks lowest price anywhere, as high as 5/2 with Ante Post rules, 2/1 Bet Victor & PP with NRNB.
Gold Cup they are 9/4 Bobs Worth but so are Bet Victor & PP again NRNB.

Might be bigger some of the "smaller" Cheltenham races.

"multiple accounts is a no brainer really. "

Absolute NO brainer.
Anybody who doesn't have multiple accounts needs their heads examined

whiteshorts · 21-01-2014 7:15pm

Double post.

premierstone · 22-01-2014 1:06pm

whiteshorts wrote: »

Quick check of the Prices:

Champ Hurdle they are 3's Hurricane Fly, 10/3 in other places. - Top price everything else
Champ Chase they are evens Sprinter the same as a few others but Ante Post rules applying. - Top price or joint on 5 top 8World Hurdle they are 7/4 Big Bucks lowest price anywhere, as high as 5/2 with Ante Post rules, 2/1 Bet Victor & PP with NRNB. - Top price on everything elseGold Cup they are 9/4 Bobs Worth but so are Bet Victor & PP again NRNB. - Top price or equal on all top 4 in the GC
Might be bigger some of the "smaller" Cheltenham races.

They have taken a position on one or two favs, most notably Hurricane Fly and Big Bucks but other than that they are top priced on a huge % of horses and their overrounds compare favourably with theior competitors.

Deco99 · 22-01-2014 5:41pm

They also had Matthew Mcconaughey @2/1 for best actor when everyone else was 6/4.

I remember they were best price on Radhjani Express last year in cheltenham so i left PP and went to Boyles. Overall, paddy have best prices, but boyles beat them some days

okidoki987 · 22-01-2014 6:02pm

top priced on a huge % of horses

But still Ante Post.
They may be Top Priced on a lot of horses outside of the top 4 in the betting which would be about right for them these days.
You would assume a bookie to be Top priced Most of the horses when they are still AP.

When did you last see them enhance say MU, Arsenal, Man City Trebke when they were all odds on?
I haven't seen them do that in, must be over a year now.

premierstone · 22-01-2014 6:09pm

Okidoki, they are running a bussiness not a charity, their goal is to maximise turnover and as a result maximise profits.

Would I be right in saying that at one point or another you have basically rubbished every chain of bookmakers out there in the last say 12 months??

Perhaps gambling aint for you?

okidoki987 · 22-01-2014 7:54pm

Okidoki, they are running a bussiness not a charity, their goal is to maximise turnover and as a result maximise profits.

That's fair enough but their prices have got worse compared to the others in the last year?

Their Jan Sale this year was very poor compared to previous years, money back in a virtual meeting and some horse enhances before racing.
This also applied to the Ladbrokes & PP offers.

Would I be right in saying that at one point or another you have basically rubbished every chain of bookmakers out there in the last say 12 months??

Probably

When I have a observation/comment to make about bad prices or poor service or anything on those lines, I will make it.
Nothing worse then people getting fleeced and they don't know it.
No harm in keeping the bookies on their toes.
I would also make a complimentary comment if it warrants it.

Perhaps gambling aint for you?

Based on P&L's over the years, you are probably right

okidoki987 · 25-01-2014 2:40am

Boyles really ducking the 2 main horses this weekend.
Enhanced Big Bucks & H Fly double to 7/4 in the shops tonight.
PP were 2/1 on their ordinary prices but it will be a 9/4-5/2 shot around 10am Saturday going on the Betfair prices.

whiteshorts · 25-01-2014 5:42pm

They were 9/4 the double in shops today.

brilou23 · 27-01-2014 4:19pm

has any1 ever got free bet off boyle online

okidoki987 · 28-01-2014 12:44am

Not since opening of account.

brilou23 · 28-01-2014 3:35pm

8 yrs not one

The_Kew_Tour · 29-01-2014 9:21pm

Got offered a fiver once im sure.

About as good as it got.

okidoki987 · 29-01-2014 10:56pm

Now NRNB the big 4 races at Cheltenham.

redzerdrog · 30-01-2014 12:13am

got €20 free bet last week off them because it was 3 years since i had signed up with them

mailburner · 01-02-2014 9:53pm

never got a thing off them
was so disgusted i closed my account

the site used to crash a lot esp on very busy days yet
they never offered me anything
never thought id say these words but they are
worse than ladbrokes

whiteshorts · 02-02-2014 12:13am

but they are worse than Ladbrokes

There's a first!;)

ArtyC · 02-02-2014 12:57am

brilou23 wrote: »

has any1 ever got free bet off boyle online

Never.... Pp gave me a good few

brilou23 · 02-02-2014 2:50pm

i emptied my account moved betfair yesterday

premierstone · 05-02-2014 2:18pm

mailburner wrote: »

never got a thing off them
was so disgusted i closed my account

the site used to crash a lot esp on very busy days yet
they never offered me anythingnever thought id say these words but they are
worse than ladbrokes

I have accounts with all the major firms and would have on a typical saturday afternoon two or three poker clients, oddschecker and all the betting accounts open at the same time, never had any problems with any site only Boyles, very frustrating indeed.

I am big into Golf betting though and along with B365 find them the best for competitive early prices.

okidoki987 · 05-02-2014 7:01pm

In fairness they are doing some reasonable Money backs last few tournaments.
Money Back 2nd to Mcilroy or Woods last week, this week Money Back 2nd to Schwartzel in the Joburg Open.
PP 6 places most of the time in the last few weeks as well.
Even Coral have a Money Back 2nd to Max 25 as Free Bet, in the main tournament last 3 weeks.

premierstone · 05-02-2014 7:18pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

In fairness they are doing some reasonable Money backs last few tournaments.
Money Back 2nd to Mcilroy or Woods last week, this week Money Back 2nd to Schwartzel in the Joburg Open.
PP 6 places most of the time in the last few weeks as well.
Even Coral have a Money Back 2nd to Max 25 as Free Bet, in the main tournament last 3 weeks.

I have covered 10 events in 2014 thus far in the Golf and I just checked my records antepost that involved 37 golfers, not one was best priced in PP, I would always prefer the jucier price than the extra place tbh, ,most events it wont actually make any difference at all unless your selection is an outright 6th on his own.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-02-2014 10:50pm

the last month I have had more bets with BS than PP.

that does not mean they are better but I don't think they are as bad as some make out.

they ain't great but they have ok value if you look for it.

okidoki987 · 20-02-2014 1:56pm

Boyles yesterday had a special
"name a winner at each of the 5 HR meetings" at 14/1.
I've seen these bets before but never checked the value until yesterday.
Had a look at their EP prices to work out the WORST price for the shortest priced horse at each of the 5 meetings and it worked out at 13.8/1 :eek:.
This meant that you would have had to pick the shortest price horse at each meeting and back them for an enhance of 1% :mad:.
If you picked any other horse (at a bigger price) at any meeting, you would be much better just writing out the accum yourself at higher odds.
Not 100% sure if GP apply to accums but would have thought the idea of this bet was to give the punters a bit of value?

I'm sure most people backing these specials would pick the shortest price horses but for 1% "Bonus" why would you bother?
PP also do this bet but they didn't have it up yesterday, Ladbrokes don't do it.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-02-2014 9:27pm

The Virtual stuff they have is awful and funny at same time. They have football, Indy Car and Indoor cycling to name few.

The football is gas. The most unrealistic pile of crap I have ever seen. How people back that stuff is beyond me. Seeing people lose the rag cause the Blades did not beat the Trotters lol oh dear.

mailburner · 20-02-2014 9:44pm

mailburner wrote: »

never got a thing off them
was so disgusted i closed my account

the site used to crash a lot esp on very busy days yet
they never offered me anything
never thought id say these words but they are
worse than ladbrokes

I take it back
nobody worse than ladbrokes esp their shops, no idea how they
stay in business
I do know they did nothing in athenry being across the road from pp but
they didn't compete and the shop was always dead and it next door
to a pub at that, ended up closing, no loss at all
I only started using boyles online after a two year break this week
their ufc prices are as good as anyones
at least boyles shop do some good footie enhancements and
they are the only ones to do footie assists
I dont recall ladbrokes doing anything of note

As for the virtual stuff like cycling, racing footie etc
jesus when you bet on that you have problems

the site hasnt crashed yet for me
ill put it to the test again on sat afternoon

The_Kew_Tour · 20-02-2014 9:59pm

Some of their enhancements for footy are pretty decent. I remember they had Man HT/FT at 11/10 for the Blackburn FA Cup game at home.

At least you will get few decent prices with Boyles.

I was in Ladbrokes shop on Tuesday. The RP Pricewise picked Dynaste for race in Cheltenham at 12/1 with Ladbrokes and some other bookies cant remember who. When I was leaving I noticed they had the horse in one screen that read 8/1. Here they were prompting the horse backed in RP at 12's and they now went own to 8's.

Talk about gutless.

Juwwi · 20-02-2014 10:03pm

Monday Boyles had all 6 SP fav's to place at Southwell 5/2 :rolleyes:

Surely they dont think anyone was so stupid to think the placepot would pay less than €3.50.

Then again you never know.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-02-2014 10:08pm

robbie1977 wrote: »

Monday Boyles had all 6 SP fav's to place at Southwell 5/2 :rolleyes:

Surely they dont think anyone was so stupid to think the placepot would pay less than €3.50.

Then again you never know.

lol.

5/2!!!

You know what sad thing is? bet people actually took that price.

mailburner · 20-02-2014 10:13pm

they also had costa anytime enhanced to 15/8 from 5/4

still gutted I didnt take that one

okidoki987 · 20-02-2014 11:00pm

good footie enhancements

I must have missed that.

Boyles never do doubles any more, they only do trebles.
So if you wanted to back the CL double on Tuesday or on Wednesday
in Boyles, you could but not at any enhanced odds unless you wanted to put
Leicester of someone like that in.
Ladbrokes also only do Trebles, I'd guess because it's harder to get a Treble up
as opposed to a Double.

they also had costa anytime enhanced to 15/8 from 5/4

That was a Boylemania with a Max Stake of €50.

they are the only ones to do footie assists

I looked at them when they started it and decided against ever having a bet on it for 2 reasons. One, they decide the "assist" so if you disagree with their decision, you are on your own and have no comeback and the 2nd reason is
I thought the odds didn't reflect the market and there was no other prices to compare so you backed at their odds or nothing.

had all 6 SP fav's to place at Southwell 5/2

The SP favs has to be the WORST bet around.
The number of times it clicks, you could count on 1 hand.

Boyles are getting worse

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