Keeping large marine animals in captivety.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2014 09:57PM

Howard Juneau wrote: »

I never once mentioned captivity.

As I said Howard I prefer a two way scientific discussion.

Howard Juneau · 18-01-2014 10:22PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

As I said Howard I prefer a two scientific discussion.

Which two scientifics would those be?

steddyeddy · 18-01-2014 10:30PM

On the subject of the trainers getting killed it's sad alright but I think they should have known better than to get into a pool with a stressed killer whale.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 18-01-2014 10:37PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

On the subject of the trainers getting killed it's sad alright but I think they should have known better than to get into a pool with a stressed killer whale.

I think she was on the basin when it happened, he grabbed her foot pulled her in and started thrashing in the water, severing her spinal cord in the process. He then brought her down to the bottom, drowning was the official cause of death.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2014 10:44PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I think she was on the basin when it happened, he grabbed her foot pulled her in and started thrashing in the water, severing her spinal cord in the process. He then brought her down to the bottom, drowning was the official cause of death.

Yes one of the other attacks involved holding a girl under water I believe. Animals in captivity are usually suffer from acute stress so it's no wonder he lashed out.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2014 10:46PM

There's a legal movement that aims to extend basic human rights to non human apes called "great ape personhood". The discovery of neurons capable of emotion and higher cognition in whales and elephants have meant that these animals may be included in the process as well.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 18-01-2014 11:46PM

It's calculated that 1% of wild male Orcas suffer from Dorsal Fin collapse, 100% of all males in captivity have had this happen. It doesn't occur with the females for some reason. It's thought that lack of exercise is the cause, in the wild, Orcas swim up to 100 miles a day.

timthumbni · 19-01-2014 12:50AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's calculated that 1% of wild male Orcas suffer from Dorsal Fin collapse, 100% of all males in captivity have had this happen. It doesn't occur with the females for some reason. It's thought that lack of exercise is the cause, in the wild, Orcas swim up to 100 miles a day.

After watching blackfish I would question the sanity of anyone who works in these parks such as Seaworld etc. I'm talking about the ones who "train" the orcas. It's quite telling that in the wild killer whales are pretty harmless to humans but when you put them in a swimming pool and tell them to jump through hoops they take on a different persona.

The whale Tilikum has killed 3 people. And if you read about the 2nd victim in particular it's not pretty.

Killer whales should not be kept in captivity. Simples...

Precious flower · 19-01-2014 01:25AM

Orca's are extremely intelligent and social animals. I think it's horrible that they are paraded in front of people and made to do stupid tricks completely out of their natural habitats. I really hope they don't consider killing these animals when they attack. Is it any wonder, they're wild animals, you'd think that'd be a wake up call! What's the situation with Fungi the dolphin, I never been to see him, but is that a similar set up? Wasn't surprised he was attacking humans when I heard all the abuse he was getting from random people.

ringadingding · 19-01-2014 01:36AM

I should be catching up on sleep between my double shifts.

Instead I'm searching for clips of trainers being killed by whales

Fück you internet

timthumbni · 19-01-2014 01:45AM

Precious flower wrote: »

Orca's are extremely intelligent and social animals. I think it's horrible that they are paraded in front of people and made to do stupid tricks completely out of their natural habitats. I really hope they don't consider killing these animals when they attack. Is it any wonder, they're wild animals, you'd think that'd be a wake up call! What's the situation with Fungi the dolphin, I never been to see him, but is that a similar set up? Wasn't surprised he was attacking humans when I heard all the abuse he was getting from random people.

Very true. Keeping killer whales in a fecking swimming pool is beyond disgraceful. It's nice that the corporate fecks still keep it going despite the overwhelming evidence that it's not safe to keep these creatures in a concrete pool. (Neither for the whales or the trainers) it's particularly nice when the management blame the trainers for being at fault for being killed as well.

timthumbni · 19-01-2014 01:46AM

ringadingding wrote: »

I should be catching up on sleep between my double shifts.

Instead I'm searching for clips of trainers being killed by whales

Fück you internet

Just watch blackfish instead. Though prepare to be shocked...

syklops · 19-01-2014 02:16AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I think she was on the basin when it happened, he grabbed her foot pulled her in and started thrashing in the water, severing her spinal cord in the process. He then brought her down to the bottom, drowning was the official cause of death.

We had a dog. A lovely, energetic, friendly springer spaniel. Good gun dog. Every so often he would put his paw on the cat and give it a good washing. The cat, not being a fan of water, would look displeased but suffered through it. And we kept ducks. One day a duck got out and he chased it, and did the same and gave it a good washing, but unlike the cat who sat there and took it, the duck freaked out, flapped every where, and the flapping meant more paws were needed to hold it down to get it washed properly, and unfortunately the ducks neck got broken. Dead duck. The dog was in the doghouse, literally, but he was like, "I only wanted to wash her".

I'm against the captivity of large mammals but instead of suggesting that the Orca is some kind of Hannibal Lector, is it possible it was an accident?

I've not seen the movie yet(its downloading as we speak).

Edit: The marvel of the modern world. I've 1 gig to download and its ETA is about 10 minutes. When I first started downloading movies if I had a gig to go, its ETA would have been next saturday.

Galwayguy35 · 19-01-2014 03:22PM

It was a disgraceful thing to do trapping killer whales in the wild for the purpose of keeping them in captivity for the rest of their lives so they could perform tricks to keep tourists entertained.

syklops · 20-01-2014 12:13AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It was a disgraceful thing to do trapping killer whales in the wild for the purpose of keeping them in captivity for the rest of their lives so they could perform tricks to keep tourists entertained.

Watched the movie last night. I was under the impression SeaWorld was some kind of research institute. I didn't know they trapped the animals. Ive always wanted to go there, but it completely changed my mind.

Keeping large marine animals in captivety.

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