€490m meant for local services diverted to Irish Water

donegal__road · 17-01-2014 01:54PM #1

Finance Minister Michael Noonan has admitted that €490m meant for local services is to be diverted into Irish Water.

Mr Noonan said a “subvention” was being made from the local government fund to go to the water metering company.

He said Revenue collects the money and the total property tax returns are then transferred to the Local Government Fund for services.

People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd Barrett said proceeds from the property tax were being used to set up Irish Water. “The Government, in levying this unpopular, regressive austerity tax, tried to neutralise opposition to it by saying that all the moneys collected would go back into local areas and services,” said Mr Boyd Barrett. “We then discovered not a single cent would go towards local services, but would be used to meet the start-up costs of Irish Water.”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/490m-meant-for-local-services-diverted-to-irish-water-255608.html

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wretcheddomain · 17-01-2014 02:04PM

And what's your opinion OP?

Wossack · 17-01-2014 02:09PM

I appreciate the effort, but you know I could just go to irishexaminer myself and cut out the middleman?

skywalker · 17-01-2014 02:22PM

So their using the proceeds of one unpopular stealth tax to fund the introduction another unpopular stealth tax.

I hope fine gael are wiped out at the next election. Not that it will matter to the current crop at the top of the party, who will all be retired off to Europe or a few cushy board jobs. They have nothing to offer the people of Ireland.

melekalikimaka · 17-01-2014 02:24PM

skywalker wrote: »

So their using the proceeds of one unpopular stealth tax to fund the introduction another unpopular stealth tax.

I hope fine gael are wiped out at the next election. Not that it will matter to the current crop at the top of the party, who will all be retired off to Europe or a few cushy board jobs. They have nothing to offer the people of Ireland.

rabble rabble

stealth

rabble rabble

crooks

LOSTfan57 · 17-01-2014 02:24PM

wait does this actually suprise people

Filibuster · 17-01-2014 02:25PM

I think we should live in a socialist utopia where the government takes care of us and provides all our services and asks for no taxes

17-01-2014 02:34PM

I am currently looking at the water guys "digging" up my road. No word of a lie but this is what i heard this morning.

DAMO !!

DAMO !!!!!!

DAMO YA BLEEDEN CORNFLAKE

WHAT DO YOU WANT ON YOUR BREAKFAST ROLL ?

SAUSAGE, EGG RASHER AND RED SAUCE

WERE IS DECO ?

HE IS TAKIN A PISS

LeinsterDub · 17-01-2014 02:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am currently looking at the water guys "digging" up my road. No word of a lie but this is what i heard this morning.

DAMO !!

DAMO !!!!!!

DAMO YA BLEEDEN CORNFLAKE

WHAT DO YOU WANT ON YOUR BREAKFAST ROLL ?

SAUSAGE, EGG RASHER AND RED SAUCE

WERE IS DECO ?

HE IS TAKIN A PISS

Shock horror , road workers eat and piss . Hold the front page of the herald

Cantona's Collars · 17-01-2014 02:39PM

Filibuster wrote: »

I think we should live in a socialist utopia where the government takes care of us and provides all our services and asks for no taxes

I think we should live in a country where the government doesn't introduce one form of tax then use the proceeds to fund the setting up another form of taxation.

The government conned us plain and simple.They sent out glossy brochures of wonderful parks and smiling people to show what the property tax would be spent on.I went for a walk earlier,dodged potholes crossing the roads,struggled along decrepit footpaths covered in dogshit.Of course there's no money to pay for these issues to be addressed,why would there be when over €400 million was diverted to Irish Water.:mad: FFS,they spent €20k just to redesign the existing logo.

steddyeddy · 17-01-2014 02:41PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

rabble rabble

stealth

rabble rabble

crooks

This crap will keep happening because of attitudes like these. Downplaying any hint of corruption or illegality. Reminds me of the pigs from animal farm.

Cantona's Collars · 17-01-2014 02:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

This crap will keep happening because of attitudes like these. Downplaying any hint of corruption or illegality. Reminds me of the pigs from animal farm.

Most of the people on here who dismiss the outrage at what's happening in this country are still living under the wing of mummy & daddy and are sheltered to a degree from the real world.Wait until they are faced with all these bills coming through the door addressed to them,then they'll sing a different tune.

suicide_circus · 17-01-2014 02:50PM

more of the same. grubby irish politics.

token56 · 17-01-2014 02:51PM

Nothing surprising about this really. When was the last time a newly introduced tax actually went towards the services we were told it would go towards. Ultimately is just shows we really can't trust anything that is said in the Dail. Politicians are masters of being non committal when answering questions, and then when they go and commit to something, that changes without any possibility of reprimand or reprieve. There is so much wrong with politics in this country its impossible to know where to even start.

tritium · 17-01-2014 02:52PM

We all knew the LPT was a scam that was never actually going to be used as claimed. Is this really a surprise. A better question would be why isn't the money repayable down the line given that its effectively seed capital for what will certainly be a profit making entity

Cantona's Collars · 17-01-2014 02:53PM

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force eleven · 17-01-2014 02:54PM

Noonan is still basking in the triumph of being best boy in class, amongst his European elite. He is on a mission, called Austerity II. His bosses in Brussels applaud this type of regressive, unfair, fund movements.
Of course, they put out pious statements saying how much this will save in five years or whatever, when they really haven't a notion.

humanji · 17-01-2014 02:58PM

zerks wrote: »

Most of the people on here who dismiss the outrage at what's happening in this country are still living under the wing of mummy & daddy and are sheltered to a degree from the real world.Wait until they are faced with all these bills coming through the door addressed to them,then they'll sing a different tune.

Stop making swipes at people or find a new forum to post on.

tayto lover · 17-01-2014 03:01PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

rabble rabble

stealth

rabble rabble

crooks

Poor effort.
I think some people would actually follow them over a cliff.

They lied as you know.

YFlyer · 17-01-2014 03:34PM

zerks wrote: »

Most of the people on here who dismiss the outrage at what's happening in this country are still living under the wing of mummy & daddy and are sheltered to a degree from the real world.Wait until they are faced with all these bills coming through the door addressed to them,then they'll sing a different tune.

Well said.

Knob Longman · 17-01-2014 03:39PM

tritium wrote: »

We all knew the LPT was a scam that was never actually going to be used as claimed. Is this really a surprise. A better question would be why isn't the money repayable down the line given that its effectively seed capital for what will certainly be a profit making entity

Its the people who pay are the problem, No backbone whatsoever..Everyone in politics knows this so the gravy train keeps rolling..

Tiddlypeeps · 17-01-2014 04:20PM

This on top of the whole consultants pay thing makes me very very sad. It doesn't surprise me, but that doesn't change the fact that it's very depressing. I don't think we will ever see the back of cronyism in this country

Cienciano · 17-01-2014 04:38PM

Filibuster wrote: »

I think we should live in a socialist utopia where the government takes care of us and provides all our services and asks for no taxes

Funny that the government could afford to pay for these services from other forms of taxation before they decided to pay off bondholders

17-01-2014 04:41PM

Austerity. Regressive. Stealth. The new Shaving Experience from Gillette.

Victor · 18-01-2014 06:53AM

donegal__road wrote: »

€490m meant for local services diverted to Irish Water

And water is a local service, delivered by local government. The only difference this year is that Irish Water will be imposing some standards, possibly centralising purchasing and will be managing the funding.

In 2010 water services cost about X, in 2011 water services cost about X, in 2012 water services cost about X, in 2013 water services cost about X, in 2014 water services will cost about X.

The Local Property Tax isn't the only constituent of the Local Government Fund. It also includes Motor Tax. It is topped up by government grants. http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/LocalGovernmentAdministration/LocalGovernmentFinance/

The main sources of local authority current income are:
* Commercial rates
* Local Government Fund – General-Purpose Grants
* Government grants/subsidies
* Receipts for goods and services

In 2013 local government spending was budgeted at €4,356 million. Local Property Tax yield in 2013 is estimated at €250 million.

I think the disingenuousness of the OP is proved by them failing to to even comment on the article.

Phill Ewinn · 18-01-2014 09:11AM

Victor wrote: »

And water is a local service, delivered by local government. The only difference this year is that Irish Water will be imposing some standards, possibly centralising purchasing and will be managing the funding.

In 2010 water services cost about X, in 2011 water services cost about X, in 2012 water services cost about X, in 2013 water services cost about X, in 2014 water services will cost about X.

The Local Property Tax isn't the only constituent of the Local Government Fund. It also includes Motor Tax. It is topped up by government grants. http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/LocalGovernmentAdministration/LocalGovernmentFinance/

The main sources of local authority current income are:
* Commercial rates
* Local Government Fund – General-Purpose Grants
* Government grants/subsidies
* Receipts for goods and services

In 2013 local government spending was budgeted at €4,356 million. Local Property Tax yield in 2013 is estimated at €250 million.

I think the disingenuousness of the OP is proved by them failing to to even comment on the article.

The problem with water charges is control. Its no longer a function of local government. Apparently, this precious natural resource is for sale.

A natioanl resource. Resold back to you by some shammers. Shammers who call the shots. And nothing you can do about it if you don't like it.

Do we want some third party unaccountable commercial entity in charge of OUR water?

Fvck no.

But for some odd reason - people like you are pushing this change upon us.

Odd.

Filibuster · 18-01-2014 09:35AM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

The problem with water charges is control. Its no longer a function of local government. Apparently, this precious natural resource is for sale.

A natioanl resource. Resold back to you by some shammers. Shammers who call the shots. And nothing you can do about it if you don't like it.

Do we want some third party unaccountable commercial entity in charge of OUR water?

Fvck no.

But for some odd reason - people like you are pushing this change upon us.

Odd.

It's a natural resource that has to be filtered, chemically treated and piped. If you don't want to pay for it, put a bucket outside your house and collect your own water.

Phill Ewinn · 18-01-2014 09:42AM

Filibuster wrote: »

It's a natural resource that has to be filtered, chemically treated and piped. If you don't want to pay for it, put a bucket outside your house and collect your own water.

I AM paying for it. I don't need to pay for it twice.

Do you believe every other sh1thead with ploitical friends is entitled to put his hand in your pocket?

Daith · 18-01-2014 09:46AM

Filibuster wrote: »

It's a natural resource that has to be filtered, chemically treated and piped. If you don't want to pay for it, put a bucket outside your house and collect your own water.

Ok I do understand this but are you saying the Irish tax payer never contributed to the water treatment before?

Victor · 18-01-2014 09:47AM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Apparently, this precious natural resource is for sale.

So precious and important that people won't pay to ensure it is clean to a proper standard? That those who waste this precious resource will be free to continue?

Do we want some third party unaccountable commercial entity in charge of OUR water?

You would prefer the polluted tap water that is provided to 200,000 people at the moment?

people like you are pushing this change upon us.

Am I? I'm merely pointing the misinformation and hysteria.

Phill Ewinn · 18-01-2014 09:53AM

Victor wrote: »

So precious and important that people won't pay to ensure it is clean to a proper standard? That those who waste this precious resource will be free to continue?

You would prefer the polluted tap water that is provided to 200,000 people at the moment?

Am I? I'm merely pointing the misinformation and hysteria.

Oh here we go. Charging for it twice. That'll solve everything. Do you realise the same people Will work in the same company doing yhe same job as before?

Doing the same thing.and expecting a different result. Isn't that the first sign of madness?

€490m meant for local services diverted to Irish Water

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