51yrs old Danish female tourist gang-raped in Indian capital

Nodin · 16-01-2014 06:11AM

BBJBIG wrote: »

India : a sh1t place and a sh1t people.

Classy.

JayoHatesMayo · 17-01-2014 08:15AM

Nodin wrote: »

Classy.

Why is he wrong.

Nodin · 17-01-2014 11:49AM

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

Why is he wrong.

Because he's generalising about a vast area and over 1.2 Billion people....Do you scream "larry murphy" every time you see a bord failte advert?

Penny Tration · 17-01-2014 01:05PM

JayoHatesMayo wrote: »

You got sexually abused by an Indian man, but this proves the opposite?

Im sure that the brother hit the kid. Im also pretty sure that you never reported the incident and were satisfied with that 'retribution'. Where HR notified? The gardai? Was the chap sacked?

Oh god. I knew somebody would say something like that. One guy grabbed my ass out of about 70 Indian men I know. His brother immediately did what he felt would restore their family honour.

Now, comparing that to irish guys? I'd say triple that ratio have grabbed my ass, with no apology.

One idiot out of every single Indian man I know. Apologies from both him and his brother. An Irish guy has never apologised for that.

Yes, I went to HR. He was moved to a male only branch. No, I didn't go to the police because I'm not going to go to the police about something so minor.

nelly17 · 17-01-2014 01:17PM

For me the arguement that because its happened to a Westerner in India its getting all the media attention holds no water, if someone was gang raped and murdered after getting on a bus in Ireland it might make international headlines but if within 18 months a tourist then gets gang raped it WOULD make international headlines.

nelly17 · 17-01-2014 01:19PM

green_screen wrote: »

Oh god. I knew somebody would say something like that. One guy grabbed my ass out of about 70 Indian men I know. His brother immediately did what he felt would restore their family honour.

Now, comparing that to irish guys? I'd say triple that ratio have grabbed my ass, with no apology.

One idiot out of every single Indian man I know. Apologies from both him and his brother. An Irish guy has never apologised for that.

Yes, I went to HR. He was moved to a male only branch. No, I didn't go to the police because I'm not going to go to the police about something so minor.

Really? Does that much random ass grabbing actually take place.

Penny Tration · 17-01-2014 01:22PM

nelly17 wrote: »

Really? Does that much random ass grabbing actually take place.

In clubs, quite a bit. I get a lot less than my friends, 'cause I'm fat. :pac:

old hippy · 17-01-2014 01:26PM

green_screen wrote: »

In clubs, quite a bit. I get a lot less than my friends, 'cause I'm fat. :pac:

Lot's of blokes like shapely ladies.

Not that I'm encouraging bottom grabbing, mind.

Penny Tration · 17-01-2014 01:28PM

old hippy wrote: »

Lot's of blokes like shapely ladies. Not that I'm encouraging bottom grabbing, mind.

Oh, I wasn't being down on myself, I like how I look and have never has trouble getting men.

Rightwing · 17-01-2014 01:31PM

The problem with India is, it's full of Indians.

Femme_Fatale · 17-01-2014 05:30PM

green_screen wrote: »

In clubs, quite a bit. I get a lot less than my friends, 'cause I'm fat. :pac:

Wouldn't that make your arse even more enticing? :pac:

Penny Tration · 17-01-2014 07:30PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Wouldn't that make your arse even more enticing? :pac:

:pac: :pac: :pac:

smurgen · 17-01-2014 07:31PM

Hole of a country, there's barely ever good new out of the place

poundapunnet · 17-01-2014 07:46PM

smurgen wrote: »

Hole of a country, there's barely ever good new out of the place

Lol, you have it on google alerts do you?

From what I've read, attitudes to sexual violence in Indian culture as a whole don't seem to be great. Indian women have spoken about it themselves, and the protests after that bus case would seem to suggest that there's a lot of concern about it within the country. (no they weren't just protests about that case)

madrabui · 17-01-2014 08:04PM

Have a look at this video. It was released to make Indian men who stare question their behaviour.

Skip to the end if ye don't have the patience to watch it!

woodoo · 17-01-2014 09:51PM

My advice to women would be to stay well clear of India. My sister was out there with her husband about 5 years ago and said she felt very uncomfortable. The men just stare and ogle like they have never seen a blonde woman before.

Legs.Eleven · 17-01-2014 10:17PM

smurgen wrote: »

Hole of a country, there's barely ever good new out of the place

Eh...you never hear good news from anywhere. News is almost always bad.

smurgen · 17-01-2014 11:51PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Eh...you never hear good news from anywhere. News is almost always bad.

Strange comment.I'd say it's pretty mixed for most other countries but I've yet to hear any positives from India.the poverty of the place is astounding given the fact that they have space agencies and a large military expenditure. I feel sorry for the kids in the place.I watched a documentary about street kids in New Dehli last month and I'd a lump in my throat watching it.The amount of kids there,young kids with no one to fend for them and nothing more than the clothes on their backs was horrific.
They're also bringing in new laws in India to stop child labor and a lot of child welfare groups and orphan children themselves are actually lobbying against the ban because the kids will receive zero welfare from the state and will face starvation if the ban goes ahead. So all in all I reiterate - a hole of a country.

Legs.Eleven · 18-01-2014 12:11AM

smurgen wrote: »

Strange comment.I'd say it's pretty mixed for most other countries but I've yet to hear any positives from India.the poverty of the place is astounding given the fact that they have space agencies and a large military expenditure. I feel sorry for the kids in the place.I watched a documentary about street kids in New Dehli last month and I'd a lump in my throat watching it.The amount of kids there,young kids with no one to fend for them and nothing more than the clothes on their backs was horrific.
They're also bringing in new laws in India to stop child labor and a lot of child welfare groups and orphan children themselves are actually lobbying against the ban because the kids will receive zero welfare from the state and will face starvation if the ban goes ahead. So all in all I reiterate - a hole of a country.

I'm perfectly aware how poor a country is but from people who've actually BEEN there, I've heard very good things. Obviously they've mentioned the poverty is shocking but they also talked about a lot of very positive aspects to it.

To simply label a country that size with such a huge population with such an ancient and rich culture and history and such a variety of landscapes as a "****hole", is even stranger in my book and displays staggering ignorance.

To say you never hear anything good at all about India is a stupid comment.

When was the last time you heard a good piece of news from Spain, for example? Ireland was full of bombings and murders in the international press in the 80's. The news rarely paints any country in a positive light as it almost exclusively reports bad news. I'd prefer to take the opinions of people who've actually been there over the media with vested interests (ratings...people don't want to hear "good news") to form my opinion tbh.

Wattle · 18-01-2014 12:32AM

smurgen wrote: »

Hole of a country, there's barely ever good new out of the place

Have you ever been there? I have. Yes there is some shocking poverty and western women probably shouldn't travel solo but there are many beautiful places to visit, the culture is fascinating, the food is fantastic and the people by and large are helpful and respectful. I'd suggest that you watch some travel guides rather than relying on negative programes as your soul source of information.

smurgen · 18-01-2014 12:51AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I'm perfectly aware how poor a country is but from people who've actually BEEN there, I've heard very good things. Obviously they've mentioned the poverty is shocking but they also talked about a lot of very positive aspects to it.

To simply label a country that size with such a huge population with such an ancient and rich culture and history and such a variety of landscapes as a "****hole", is even stranger in my book and displays staggering ignorance.

To say you never hear anything good at all about India is a stupid comment.

When was the last time you heard a good piece of news from Spain, for example? Ireland was full of bombings and murders in the international press in the 80's. The news rarely paints any country in a positive light as it almost exclusively reports bad news. I'd prefer to take the opinions of people who've actually been there over the media with vested interests (ratings...people don't want to hear "good news") to form my opinion tbh.

any of the positive things I've heard have been related to the past. Temples and ancient sites there are all from the past. Current day Indian seems to be a complete different kettle of fish.I have heard many people talk about how wonderful their trips to India was and anytime I asked them about it they just talked about the touristy sites which I wouldn't consider the real India.
I had a buddy from down the very southern tip of India and he hated the people in the north and said told me that they've very little if nothing in common with those from the south. He reckoned that the country was so diverse that it would have been better off if it was divided up into smaller countries.

The poverty in India is a massive factor and I think how a coutry treats it's poorest citizens speaks volumes on the country as a whole. There are probably more children starving in India every year than in the whole continent of africa. Say what you will about China , but the development there has definitely seen an increase in the standard of living for the ordinary citizens, I don't think the same can be said for India.
I'm not blinkered or racist , im just trying to convey my impression on the place and I'm open to having my mind changed on the place.any Indian i've met in person have been lovely people however and I work with them on a weekly basis too,always professional and very intelligent. It just seems to met like the country's governance and social structures just seems to be fu5ked.

smurgen · 18-01-2014 01:00AM

Wattle wrote: »

Have you ever been there? I have. Yes there is some shocking poverty and western women probably shouldn't travel solo but there are many beautiful places to visit, the culture is fascinating, the food is fantastic and the people by and large are helpful and respectful. I'd suggest that you watch some travel guides rather than relying on negative programes as your soul source of information.

What's the problem with getting the info from documentaries? If anything they'd put less of a spin on the real situation there than a travel guide.it's not as if there's some big conspiracy against india in the western media,if anything.I'd.say india gets off pretty lightly in western media more than say a country like China or Iran which aren't actually all that bad.

poppyvally · 18-01-2014 01:11AM

catallus wrote: »

There are 1200000000 people in India, give or take; I would be surprised if there weren't over a thousand instances of rape a day there. The question is why does the media only go wild over such instances when the victim is not Asian.

That's not true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape

Femme_Fatale · 18-01-2014 01:27AM

poppyvally wrote: »

That's not true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape

Exactly. That's the case that did a lot to raise consciousness in the west. But shur anything for an auld "The west doesn't care about non westerners" blather.

Legs.Eleven · 18-01-2014 01:40AM

smurgen wrote: »

any of the positive things I've heard have been related to the past. Temples and ancient sites there are all from the past. Current day Indian seems to be a complete different kettle of fish.I have heard many people talk about how wonderful their trips to India was and anytime I asked them about it they just talked about the touristy sites which I wouldn't consider the real India.
I had a buddy from down the very southern tip of India and he hated the people in the north and said told me that they've very little if nothing in common with those from the south. He reckoned that the country was so diverse that it would have been better off if it was divided up into smaller countries.

The poverty in India is a massive factor and I think how a coutry treats it's poorest citizens speaks volumes on the country as a whole. There are probably more children starving in India every year than in the whole continent of africa. Say what you will about China , but the development there has definitely seen an increase in the standard of living for the ordinary citizens, I don't think the same can be said for India.
I'm not blinkered or racist , im just trying to convey my impression on the place and I'm open to having my mind changed on the place.any Indian i've met in person have been lovely people however and I work with them on a weekly basis too,always professional and very intelligent. It just seems to met like the country's governance and social structures just seems to be fu5ked.

Well I suppose I've talked to enough people who've been there to have a different opinion.

I've heard people comment on the people there and as you said, any Indian person you've met has been nice (I can say the same thing). People make a place ime. The Temples etc are the touristy sights and yes, they're relics from the past but you could say the same thing about Rome, for example. You'd hardly discount Rome's beauty just because what are considered the beautiful aspects of Rome i.e. the ruins that are 2500 odd years old, would you? Much, if not most, of the beauty of Spain (where I live) is also from the past but you wouldn't discount Spain's beauty either. People visit countries for other reasons: the people, the landscape and the atmosphere to name a few.

I understand what you're saying with regards to the extent of the poverty there and tbh, it wouldn't be my bag as a tourist destination but your initial comment sounded ignorant. India is a huge, densely-populated country and you can't simply label a country that size and that diverse as a "hole", particularly when you've never actually been there.

smurgen · 18-01-2014 02:11AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Well I suppose I've talked to enough people who've been there to have a different opinion.

I've heard people comment on the people there and as you said, any Indian person you've met has been nice (I can say the same thing). People make a place ime. The Temples etc are the touristy sights and yes, they're relics from the past but you could say the same thing about Rome, for example. You'd hardly discount Rome's beauty just because what are considered the beautiful aspects of Rome i.e. the ruins that are 2500 odd years old, would you? Much, if not most, of the beauty of Spain (where I live) is also from the past but you wouldn't discount Spain's beauty either. People visit countries for other reasons: the people, the landscape and the atmosphere to name a few.

I understand what you're saying with regards to the extent of the poverty there and tbh, it wouldn't be my bag as a tourist destination but your initial comment sounded ignorant. India is a huge, densely-populated country and you can't simply label a country that size and that diverse as a "hole", particularly when you've never actually been there.

And your initial reply sounded condescending. The key difference between Rome as a tourist destination and New Delhi or some Indian equivalent is that there isn't countless groups of starving homeless kids with no one to look after them all over Rome. I don't think it would sit easy with me to been take pictures of temples while there's so much misery about the place.as regards me having never visited the place you're absolutely right.but I've researched the place enough to know that I dont want to visit there in it's current state. It's on a very short list of places I never want to go to along with Saudi Arabia and Isael.

jank · 18-01-2014 04:09AM

There is definitely an unhealthy attitude towards rape in some sections of Asian society, most notably the sub continent. Only last week a Judge in Australia accepted that 'cultural differences' between Australia and Afghanistan is acceptable grounds to appeal a rape conviction…. which is astonishing when you think about it.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/australian-judge-finds-muslim-cultural-differences-valid-excuse-for-rape/

Oranage2 · 18-01-2014 06:07AM

I've been to India, bit of a hole alright. You have a big rich poor divide, basically anything by the sea is a rich place and anything by a river is poor. So you have flocks of poor people go to the big cities, uneducated people that will do anything to get by rape steal etc, victims of circumstances if you will. So nearly everywhere is a kip, especially the tourist places.

Also since It's a former British colony a lot of people can speak English so as you can imagine you have a large amount of beggars scammers and general hassle, much more then you would get in other poor countries.

Some nice things to see but not worth all the hassle in my opinion.

Vendettaxx · 18-01-2014 06:47AM

Eggy Baby! wrote: »

The USA and the UK (among others) have more reported rapes per capita than India...its just that they use the rape cases of western tourists in faraway lands to take the spotlight away from the rape problem in their own countries.

Do Indian women create mass amounts of fake rape claims?

Can an Indian woman claim rape if she has consensual sex while drunk?

Do you not understand that Indian's have a thing called family respect and often don't report rapes since they bring shame to the family?

Valid questions I need answers to.

Legs.Eleven · 18-01-2014 11:17AM

smurgen wrote: »

And your initial reply sounded condescending. The key difference between Rome as a tourist destination and New Delhi or some Indian equivalent is that there isn't countless groups of starving homeless kids with no one to look after them all over Rome. I don't think it would sit easy with me to been take pictures of temples while there's so much misery about the place.as regards me having never visited the place you're absolutely right.but I've researched the place enough to know that I dont want to visit there in it's current state. It's on a very short list of places I never want to go to along with Saudi Arabia and Isael.

I was referring to the sights to see in India; you discounted them as being from the past like that makes them any less impressive.

Anyway, neither of us really knows having not been there ourselves and that's what it comes down to.

51yrs old Danish female tourist gang-raped in Indian capital

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