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Central Remedial Clinic debacle

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭pache


    It really is time for a big round-up in this country.

    So does this mean we are ready to give sinn fein an opportunity to clean the place up??....i mean lets face it they just couldnt be any lower than the lowest of the low we have at the mo allowing the direct neglect of children who need all the support the state can and should be providing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Jonkenji


    I've seen first hand through a family member the work that CRC frontline staff do for people with cerebral palsy and spina bifida. I believe the damage to CRC's reputation now is far worse than the sum of money involved (€740,000 all the same) and what Paul Kiely has done to those poor patients now by destroying CRC's reputation for the sake of personal greed is frankly disgusting. It almost makes me want to throw up. I sincerely hope justice will be served upon him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    mike65 wrote: »
    Irish corruption is modest set against say Italy or Greece but looks awful besides Denmark or Sweden (who no doubt have their own little scandals), not that comparisons are required - dealing with the "cvnt class" who expect to get away with enriching themselves on the publics money is where we should spend our energy.

    There is no excuse for the low life stealing from the sick and invalid to enrich the creeps that got to the top of the heap through corruption. There is no comparison. Comparing other countries is a non runner, just an excuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    As amusing as it is to see the CEO squirm his way through bull**** like "I was on my honeymoon", it's absolutely ridiculous.

    It goes beyond the CRC too. Afaik, we don't have a regulatory body that monitors charities.

    It trickles all the way down to a local level. I'm from Galway, I work in the city and I see the same people at regular positions throughout the city collecting for The Hanly Centre and the Asthma Society. These people are paid a living wage to collect the money. They make about 500e a week each.

    The general public does not know this. We like to believe that charities are actually more concerned with being charities than being businesses.

    There is a charity called "Charity:Water" that uses 100% of public donations for charitable projects. If you donate X amount, they can trace what your money was used for.

    They have a second, separate account for admin costs and wages and this is funded by angel investors and rich entrepreneurs who want to feel good about themselves (or want tax breaks). Surely, this kind of model is not too much of a stretch for us.

    We need a strict regulator who holds no prisoners and who regularly audits charities (including religious organisations that hold charitable status) in order to ensure there is no wrongdoing.

    The current system makes it incredibly easy to embezzle money and carry out a number of other serious financial crimes. It's not good enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Wind In The Willows


    Lets get real here folks, this type of under the counter dealing and playing fast and loose with public monies is nothing new, neither in the public or private /voluntary sector. Just that it's getting an airing now at the instigation of the Fine Gael and Labour coalition (masquerading as our government) in order to divert attention from their own shambolic management of this country and because their own hands are clean..for once , it appears.
    I'm not defending any of the voluntary sector CEO's or their Boards or the HSE for that matter but it suits Kenny, Reilly, Hogan & Co to have the spotlight shone elsewhere rather than on their own tawdry shenanigans - think Irish Water and the €50m nobody knows about, think overruns in Health Budget, think Water Charges, think all the broken pre election promises, think Eirgrid running roughshod over rural communities in the south east etc, think cuts to social services etc etc..... Nice diversion this CRC stuff !
    And boy aren't Deputies Ross, McDonald,McGuinness and a few low profile faceless back bench hangers on loving the spotlight ! Were there to be a sniff of FG/Labour(or FF for that matter) involvement or imprimatur to any of the shady goings on in these voluntary agencies, would there be such a feeding frenzy on the mis-management of these agencies?? I wonder would Deputy Ross and Deputy McDonald be as liberal with their accusations of lying etc were they not to have the protection of Dail privilege - innocent until guilty indeed !
    I suppose it will all help Deputy Ross's re-election campaign whenever the time comes( west Brit and pompous self righteousness goes down well in Dublin South it seems - slip on the Blueshirt, Deputy), as will Deputy McDonald's own dubious Shinner baggage be helpfully assuaged/forgotten from her new found moral high ground, a crowded place these days for populist wannabe's ! And as for Deputy McGuinness,in his lofty position as chair of this august committee and lately a FF convert to fiscal governance , it wasnt that long ago since he was advocating that we, willing taxpayers that we are, should pony up not alone TD junkets but lets pay for the WAGS to tag along as well !
    Are we really taken in by all this diversion, while Kenny and his government trample our country and our spirit underfoot so that himself, Noonan etc can be proclaimed the wunderkind of Europe and snuggle lap dog like at the feet of Frau Merkel and Messers Rehn, Schauble, Barroso et al
    Roll on 2016 or perhaps sooner when ordinary folk get to do our own interrogation of the honourable deputies and pass our own judgements ! Then again, this is Local & European Election year is'nt it ??? Lets start now !!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Wind In The Willows


    It really is time for a big round-up in this country.

    Include politicians in that Tayto Lover !:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    We need a Charity Regulator NOW.
    It would help if the word "charity" was restricted to organisations that do charitable work.
    The other businesses should be obliged to use the word "SCAM" in their title and in all their advertising and approaches to the public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,023 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I have no idea why we have so many of these chairitable organisations n the first place. The running cost to pay these leeches are astounding.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    diomed wrote: »
    We need a Charity Regulator NOW.
    It would help if the word "charity" was restricted to organisations that do charitable work.
    The other businesses should be obliged to use the word "SCAM" in their title and in all their advertising and approaches to the public.

    Ah yeah. Lets employ one, a load of staff, a building shure, generous pensions all 'round.


    What we need to do is make the gardy do their fcuking jobs properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    feargale wrote: »
    All this charity stuff is a cop out by the government, who should be doing all this work and paying for it by extra taxation. That can't be done here because the rich would be severely tapped, unlike the present situation where poor suckers pay disproportionately to charities.

    I remember a c4 documentary a few years ago about this western attitude where it looked at how developing countries deal with this versus developed.
    The developing countries would see it as a community responsibility and people would take turns helping out where in the west people expected the government to get professionals to do it. The problem being training insuring and paying these people is expensive and people dont want increased taxes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Wind In The Willows


    Another aspect of this debacle is the question of audit ? Where do the charity's auditors ( internal or external ) fit into this ? Asleep on the job or just turning a blind eye ? The governance gaps are so glaringly obvious , did nobody shout stop ? See no evil, hear no evil etc etc. Also as an agency under the aegis of the HSE, how come routine HSE or Dept of Health oversight of voluntary agencies (part funded from the health budget ) failed to uncover the goings on in CRC , rather than allowing these thrill seeking TD's the dubious credit of exposing what's happening now ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Another aspect of this debacle is the question of audit ? Where do the charity's auditors ( internal or external ) fit into this ? Asleep on the job or just turning a blind eye ? The governance gaps are so glaringly obvious , did nobody shout stop ? See no evil, hear no evil etc etc. Also as an agency under the aegis of the HSE, how come routine HSE or Dept of Health oversight of voluntary agencies (part funded from the health budget ) failed to uncover the goings on in CRC , rather than allowing these thrill seeking TD's the dubious credit of exposing what's happening now ?

    I'm pretty sure it was a routine HSE audit that first uncovered this. Then the useless lads and lassies of the PAC jumped on the bandwagon for some political showboating as usual


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Scandal after scandal get's uncovered in this country and nobody goes to jail.If anyone does it's for trivial things such as contempt of court.
    Unfortunately this will be forgotten about as the next scandal pops up,no lessons learned.Just look at the Anglo Tapes scenario,if that happened in the States,there'd be at least 2 bankers behind bars for 20 years each.Not in Ireland though,all we get are cries of contracts,historical events & we can't do anything about it.The same judicial system jailed a man for 6 years for improper declarations on the importation of garlic.Fraud is fraud and there should be no discrimination (unless they are friends of the government:rolleyes: )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Fishyfreak


    My nephew has a serious disability and would regularly use the CRC for their services. The CRC used to send a bus to collect him and other patients (he lives in Swords) and take them back home after the physio/swimming etc.

    Last year my sister in law received a letter from the CRC advising that they could no longer afford to fund this pickup service.

    Shame on the Board, Chairman and the senior executives. They are scum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    zerks wrote: »
    Scandal after scandal get's uncovered in this country and nobody goes to jail.If anyone does it's for trivial things such as contempt of court.
    Unfortunately this will be forgotten about as the next scandal pops up,no lessons learned.Just look at the Anglo Tapes scenario,if that happened in the States,there'd be at least 2 bankers behind bars for 20 years each.Not in Ireland though,all we get are cries of contracts,historical events & we can't do anything about it.The same judicial system jailed a man for 6 years for improper declarations on the importation of garlic.Fraud is fraud and there should be no discrimination (unless they are friends of the government:rolleyes: )

    I dont think they do deserve jail. They knew the regularor was incompetent and they could spin him lies to get what they wanted. They should not be able to influence the FR so easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    I dont think they do deserve jail. They knew the regularor was incompetent and they could spin him lies to get what they wanted. They should not be able to influence the FR so easily.

    If you were collecting for charity and getting paid x amount but decided to conceal even more money that you collected all for yourself what would you expect to happen if you got caught.Let him spin it however he wants,the extra money he took was basically theft.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    zerks wrote: »
    Scandal after scandal get's uncovered in this country and nobody goes to jail.If anyone does it's for trivial things such as contempt of court.
    Unfortunately this will be forgotten about as the next scandal pops up,no lessons learned.Just look at the Anglo Tapes scenario,if that happened in the States,there'd be at least 2 bankers behind bars for 20 years each.Not in Ireland though,all we get are cries of contracts,historical events & we can't do anything about it.The same judicial system jailed a man for 6 years for improper declarations on the importation of garlic.Fraud is fraud and there should be no discrimination (unless they are friends of the government:rolleyes: )

    If it was China, they would already have been executed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Where is michael martins statement?

    Someone needs to give the Fianna fail rats nest a kick, and ask him is he proud of fianna fails inner circle robbing disabled kids funds!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Lets get real here folks, this type of under the counter dealing and playing fast and loose with public monies is nothing new, neither in the public or private /voluntary sector. Just that it's getting an airing now at the instigation of the Fine Gael and Labour coalition (masquerading as our government) in order to divert attention from their own shambolic management of this country and because their own hands are clean..for once , it appears.
    I'm not defending any of the voluntary sector CEO's or their Boards or the HSE for that matter but it suits Kenny, Reilly, Hogan & Co to have the spotlight shone elsewhere rather than on their own tawdry shenanigans - think Irish Water and the €50m nobody knows about, think overruns in Health Budget, think Water Charges, think all the broken pre election promises, think Eirgrid running roughshod over rural communities in the south east etc, think cuts to social services etc etc..... Nice diversion this CRC stuff !
    And boy aren't Deputies Ross, McDonald,McGuinness and a few low profile faceless back bench hangers on loving the spotlight ! Were there to be a sniff of FG/Labour(or FF for that matter) involvement or imprimatur to any of the shady goings on in these voluntary agencies, would there be such a feeding frenzy on the mis-management of these agencies?? I wonder would Deputy Ross and Deputy McDonald be as liberal with their accusations of lying etc were they not to have the protection of Dail privilege - innocent until guilty indeed !
    I suppose it will all help Deputy Ross's re-election campaign whenever the time comes( west Brit and pompous self righteousness goes down well in Dublin South it seems - slip on the Blueshirt, Deputy),as will Deputy McDonald's own dubious Shinner baggage be helpfully assuaged/forgotten from her new found moral high ground, a crowded place these days for populist wannabe's ! And as for Deputy McGuinness,in his lofty position as chair of this august committee and lately a FF convert to fiscal governance , it wasnt that long ago since he was advocating that we, willing taxpayers that we are, should pony up not alone TD junkets but lets pay for the WAGS to tag along as well !
    Are we really taken in by all this diversion, while Kenny and his government trample our country and our spirit underfoot so that himself, Noonan etc can be proclaimed the wunderkind of Europe and snuggle lap dog like at the feet of Frau Merkel and Messers Rehn, Schauble, Barroso et al
    Roll on 2016 or perhaps sooner when ordinary folk get to do our own interrogation of the honourable deputies and pass our own judgements ! Then again, this is Local & European Election year is'nt it ??? Lets start now !!!

    Waubble wousing ahoy!

    Jasus would you like to start a party or something just so we can all vote for you?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    I'm not defending any of the voluntary sector CEO's or their Boards or the HSE for that matter but it suits Kenny, Reilly, Hogan & Co to have the spotlight shone elsewhere rather than on their own tawdry shenanigans - think Irish Water and the €50m nobody knows about, think overruns in Health Budget, think Water Charges, think all the broken pre election promises, think Eirgrid running roughshod over rural communities in the south east etc, think cuts to social services etc etc..... Nice diversion this CRC stuff !

    I agree with this... the CRC is plastered across the front page of the indo with story of how a mum cried when she heard the scandal unfold.... and not a word of the €50 million Irish Water debacle, Phil Hogan etc... all vanished.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    The €473,000 lump sum payout was one thing (even though Kiely lied when he retire saying it was just over €200,000), but it was the payment of the €273,000 to Mercers Consultants to pay for his pension fund which was the scummy icing on his cake of corruption. In effect this money stated he has already done his work up to the end of 2016.

    He should be made listen to the Morning Ireland interview this morning with that mother who regularly attends the CRC with her disabled son.

    Kiely wouldn't know the words "shame" or "embarrassment", anyone who is quite happy to take money from sick kids, is a special type of cúnt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    TANAISTE Eamon Gilmore has backed away from two ministers' calls to block €7,000-per-head Irish Water staff bonuses -- because the Government has no power to do so.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/gilmore-admits-cabinet-cant-block-irish-water-bonuses-29924318.html

    Amazing the way the Govt never has power to do what's right :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    zerks wrote: »
    If you were collecting for charity and getting paid x amount but decided to conceal even more money that you collected all for yourself what would you expect to happen if you got caught.Let him spin it however he wants,the extra money he took was basically theft.

    I was replying to the poster talking about the Anglo tapes.
    If this guy did steal the money the gardai should be looking into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Hitchens wrote: »
    TANAISTE Eamon Gilmore has backed away from two ministers' calls to block €7,000-per-head Irish Water staff bonuses -- because the Government has no power to do so.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/gilmore-admits-cabinet-cant-block-irish-water-bonuses-29924318.html

    Amazing the way the Govt never has power to do what's right :(

    Well in that case, they don't. What exactly do you want them to do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,982 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    SeaFields wrote: »
    I have to say Shane Ross is absolutely brilliant to listen to in the Public Accounts Committee. He is ripping the CRC a new one whenever he gets a chance.

    One of the best, if not the best critical commentators we have in this country.

    It's a pity he has no power to change anything though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    Tony EH wrote: »
    One of the best, if not the best critical commentators we have in this country.

    It's a pity he has no power to change anything though.

    where can you watch a re-run of this?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    Seeing all this in the news makes me happy to have never handed over a brown cent to any form of charity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Here's what Putin would do:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    If it was China, they would already have been executed.

    Maybe we need to employ a few Chinese judges here.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 26 CAUN


    Anybody have a link to the most recent grilling? I can only find the ones from December on youtube.


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