Poet, Activist, Parkinson's sufferer and Granny (79) gets jailed for 6 months.

bumper234 · 15-01-2014 08:30PM

end of the road wrote: »

doubt that happened

You doubt it happened but I tell you for a fact that it did happen.

opinionated3 · 15-01-2014 08:31PM

end of the road wrote: »

well you should be ashamed supporting the US using ireland as part of their latist acts of terrorism

why would you support the US going after a made up organisation (al qaeda) and a bunch of nobodies such as the taliban who really aren't a threat to anyone, and in the process deliberately killing civilians, and causing an all ready failed state or failed states to go under more, they have turned iraq into a blood bath and a state who's government can't control it where division is even more rife then under the brutal dictator who was there before who even though he was filth of the highest order kept the country together.

your deluded, thats not the reason the US are invading these countries, anyone delusianel to support the US in their endeavours are the ones spreading the propaganda to be honest

i disagree with torcher, war, causing states to fail, killing of civilians deliberately, and i disagree with those who condone such actions.

many are, but haven't the time to protest sadly, if people really knew what the US were up to a lot more would be against.

The word is torture. .... not torcher..... unless you are using some hippy dictionary left over from Woodstock. ...

Banjoxed · 15-01-2014 08:31PM

I read as far as Aosdana member.

old hippy · 15-01-2014 08:32PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You seem very much at home with your analogies. Speaking from experience, are we?

Yes, I'm bisexual and am pretty open about it. Most posters here that I debate with are aware of that. I fail to see what bearing my sexuality has on the discussion, though?

corsav6 · 15-01-2014 08:34PM

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

I thought it was the start to a joke

Same here.

bodice ripper · 15-01-2014 08:35PM

I would have no problem with the sentence, were it not for thinking I have seen younger people who have raped children get suspended sentences based on their advanced age.

Perhaps I am wrong.

wexie · 15-01-2014 08:38PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

I would have no problem with the sentence, were it not for thinking I have seen younger people who have raped children get suspended sentences based on their advanced age.

Perhaps I am wrong.

she DID get a suspended sentence and more or less just gave the judge the two finger salute at which stage he activated the suspended sentence....

she chose....to be locked up....how's that for propaganda.....probably moaning to her loony buddies now about how unfairly she's being treated.

won't they think of my corns and arthritis....!!

:rolleyes:

bodice ripper · 15-01-2014 08:44PM

wexie wrote: »

she DID get a suspended sentence and more or less just gave the judge the two finger salute at which stage he activated the suspended sentence....

she chose....to be locked up....how's that for propaganda.....probably moaning to her loony buddies now about how unfairly she's being treated.

won't they think of my corns and arthritis....!!

:rolleyes:

No no, I think she is a gob****e, but I would rather the space were taken up by rapists, even if some gob****e won't say sorry.

An Fhuiseog · 15-01-2014 08:46PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

The word is torture. .... not torcher..... unless you are using some hippy dictionary left over from Woodstock. ...

We all know what the poster meant.Enough of the one-upmanship nonsense!

wexie · 15-01-2014 08:47PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

No no, I think she is a gob****e, but I would rather the space were taken up by rapists, even if some gob****e won't say sorry.

No argument there, I think a good hiding would have done the trick in this case

Menas · 15-01-2014 08:48PM

Chucken wrote: »

What about the unlawful practice the US adopted in its so-called ‘War on
Terror’ in which numerous men have been illegally detained by US secret
services, and secretly flown to third countries?

They were both wrong in my opinion, but one does not excuse the other.

The Manganese Overlord · 15-01-2014 08:48PM

old hippy wrote: »

A brave, courageous woman. Shannon Whoreport is a national disgrace. How we bent over and took it in the ass from the US military machine is a constant source of shame.

Helping out a friendly nation and getting well paid for it? I don't see the problem, its not as if our stance would have changed anything other than cost jobs at Shannon. Irish neutrality is a nonsense that allows China, Russia, France, the US and the UK dictate where we can send our troops and only evolved because the US refused a defence agreement, and the government wouldn't join NATO because the UK was in it while still controlling the north.

Karl Stein · 15-01-2014 08:55PM

Whatever sort of support the people of this state had for the US/NATO's use of Shannon in the post 9/11 era evaporated after the invasion of Iraq based on lies in 2003.

We should have stopped Shannon being used before the invasion of Iraq if we'd not wanted to be complicit in the US war machine and its subsequent slaughter. We made Shannon an effective US base in the 'global war on terror' and should be ashamed to call ourselves a neutral country.

opinionated3 · 15-01-2014 09:01PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Whatever sort of support the people of this state had for the US/NATO's use of Shannon in the post 9/11 era evaporated after the invasion of Iraq based on lies in 2003.

We should have stopped Shannon being used before the invasion of Iraq if we'd not wanted to be complicit in the US war machine and its subsequent slaughter. We made Shannon an effective US base in the 'global war on terror' and should be ashamed to call ourselves a neutral country.

I know plenty that still support the war on terror. Its funny how the anti US side never come up with ideas as to how to eradicate the taliban and other Islamic terrorists throughout the world.

wexie · 15-01-2014 09:01PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Whatever sort of support the people of this state had for the US/NATO's use of Shannon in the post 9/11 era evaporated after the invasion of Iraq based on lies in 2003.

Did I miss an election where we elected you spokesperson of the nation?

4th horsemen · 15-01-2014 09:07PM

No sympathy for her, f...ing idiot.

Yeah it is horrible when bombs kill innocents and civilians etc and can't say I agree 100% with what the USA are doing
But to say Taliban etc are no threat etc etc etc is a JOKE, They kill more civilians and people in their own country than anyone else.

And it's thanks to the likes of her that we have no Salthill Airshow anymore bringing us sh.t loads of money to Galway businesses
And giving many people a great show from non-military planes and fantastic military planes.

Wonder would she and the likes be protesting if fighter jets were protecting us from terrorists!!

end of the road · 15-01-2014 09:18PM

The Manganese Overlord wrote: »

Helping out a friendly nation and getting well paid for it?
yeah, a friendly nation who is so friendly they have to use drones to kill people because theyr so scared to actually go in and fight and get these people, and who overthrows governments to put in puppet governments who are more brutal and incompitent then the last governments, or kidnap people and rendition them into secret torture programs to make people to confess to something they haven't done which no doubt the US know all the information before hand but wish to blame anyone at all for it. yeah, friendly nation indeed.

The Manganese Overlord wrote: »

I don't see the problem

helping a nation who is commiting acts of terrorism on a daily basis while whinjing about terrorism is a very big problem.

The Manganese Overlord wrote: »

its not as if our stance would have changed anything other than cost jobs at Shannon.

jobs which will go eventually i suspect

WoollyRedHat · 15-01-2014 09:18PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I have nothing to be ashamed of buddy. Very happy to support the US military in their pursuit of the likes of the taliban and al qaeda wherever they may be. That's the way I look at it. You may not agree and that's fine. ... that's your opinion. Shannonwatch would have everyone believe that the whole irish populace is against the military using Shannon. Not the case

You're happy to support them, often based on hearsay evidence on who their supposed targets are, and with evidence that their tactics are neither effective nor humane? It shows a blatant disregard for human rights, and by supporting their acts, I think you very much to have something to be ashamed of. And maybe not the whole population, but a lot of people are not happy at their presence. Some are just more vocal than others.

angelfire9 · 15-01-2014 09:20PM

mathepac wrote: »

Poet, Activist, Parkinson's sufferer and Granny (79) gets jailed for 6 months and abused by brave, anonymous internet posters for acting on her principles.

"Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
It's with O'Leary in the grave.

Yet they were of a different kind,
The names that stilled your childish play,
They have gone about the world like wind,
But little time had they to pray
For whom the hangman's rope was spun,
And what, God help us, could they save?
Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
It's with O'Leary in the grave."

William Butler Yates

That would be YEATS spell it right for Gods sake!

end of the road · 15-01-2014 09:21PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I know plenty that still support the war on terror.

god love them

opinionated3 wrote: »

Its funny how the anti US side never come up with ideas as to how to eradicate the taliban and other Islamic terrorists throughout the world.

because it can't be done, once one group is gone another emerges because of US involvement in their countries

end of the road · 15-01-2014 09:27PM

4th horsemen wrote: »

to say Taliban etc are no threat etc etc etc is a JOKE, They kill more civilians and people in their own country than anyone else.

in their own country, i agree its unfortunate but to say the US care about these countries and whats happening there is just not true, its about installing governments that jump to the US'S tune regardless of whether their good for the country or not.

4th horsemen wrote: »

it's thanks to the likes of her that we have no Salthill Airshow anymore bringing us sh.t loads of money to Galway businesses
And giving many people a great show from non-military planes and fantastic military planes.

no, its thanks to the irish government for allowing the US military to use one of our airports on their way to commiting terrorism

4th horsemen wrote: »

Wonder would she and the likes be protesting if fighter jets were protecting us from terrorists!!

who would want to attack us? we haven't done anything to anyone who would want to attack us, really nobody cares including extremist groups islamic or otherwise

goose2005 · 15-01-2014 09:32PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I know plenty that still support the war on terror. Its funny how the anti US side never come up with ideas as to how to eradicate the taliban and other Islamic terrorists throughout the world.

They frequently do. And one of the central arguments is that waging endless and indiscriminate wars against Muslims makes Muslims angry for some reason.

Karl Stein · 15-01-2014 09:48PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I know plenty that still support the war on terror.

I don't keep the company of wartards myself. Is there a cafe where they hang out and **** each other off while watching youtube videos of explosions and gun battles?

Its funny how the anti US

'Anti US'? I'm pro US. I'm with the US public in their opposition to their taxes being wasted and their children being blown to pieces to sate the fantasies of loser chickenhawks.

side never come up with ideas as to how to eradicate the taliban and other Islamic terrorists throughout the world.

There are very simple actions the US could take to drastically reduce terrorism in a very short space of time. Stop participating in it. Stop funding it. Stop supporting scumbag regimes. Stop giving every jihadi loon in the Middle East and elsewhere and excuse to be aggrieved.

wexie wrote: »

Did I miss an election where we elected you spokesperson of the nation?

Estimated 100,000 people marched in Dublin in opposition to the invasion of Iraq. 500,000 people in London and the biggest protests in the history of mankind. If the question of support for the invasion had went to referendum there would have been a crushing defeat for chicken hawks and wartards.

wexie · 15-01-2014 10:07PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Estimated 100,000 people marched in Dublin in opposition to the invasion of Iraq. 500,000 people in London and the biggest protests in the history of mankind. If the question of support for the invasion had went to referendum there would have been a crushing defeat for chicken hawks and wartards.

yeah those protests were HUUUGE I remember. they called off the war after those protests....

oh hang on....no they didn't.

As a matter of fact if I remember correctly those protests achieved a grand total of nothing, monday after everybody went back to work (well....some of us did anyways) and there was still a war.

Karl Stein · 15-01-2014 10:28PM

wexie wrote: »

As a matter of fact if I remember correctly those protests achieved a grand total of nothing

They let 'our' leaders know that going to war on flimsy evidence is political suicide. Ask the biggest pariah in the UK Tony Blair. The majority of the people in the UK were steadfastly against the 2003 invasion of Iraq and even British Soldiers referred to it as TB's war.

The recent push by the UK/US and others to intervene directly in Syria was defeated because politicians are listening to people like those who were against the war in Iraq.

Set against the the disastrous waste of treasure and life that were the invasions of Afghanistan, where the Taliban are not defeated and will regain control, and Iraq where Al-Q is resurgent in Iraqi cities the protests were a positive triumph.

weldoninhio · 15-01-2014 10:36PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

I don't keep the company of wartards myself. Is there a cafe where they hang out and **** each other off while watching youtube videos of explosions and gun battles?

'Anti US'? I'm pro US. I'm with the US public in their opposition to their taxes being wasted and their children being blown to pieces to sate the fantasies of loser chickenhawks.

There are very simple actions the US could take to drastically reduce terrorism in a very short space of time. Stop participating in it. Stop funding it. Stop supporting scumbag regimes. Stop giving every jihadi loon in the Middle East and elsewhere and excuse to be aggrieved.

Estimated 100,000 people marched in Dublin in opposition to the invasion of Iraq. 500,000 people in London and the biggest protests in the history of mankind. If the question of support for the invasion had went to referendum there would have been a crushing defeat for chicken hawks and wartards.

So just 2% of the country bothered to show their opposition, and that makes you the voice of the people?? Give over, you'd get more than that in Croker over a big weekend.

She got what she deserved. Hopefully she serves the entire 3 months.

wexie · 15-01-2014 10:44PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

The recent push by the UK/US and others to intervene directly in Syria was defeated because politicians are listening to people like those who were against the war in Iraq.

hahaha....you're cracking me up here.

Of course it had nothing to do at all with Russia's stance on Syria no no, it was the hippies that convinced everybody to leave Syria alone.

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Set against the the disastrous waste of treasure and life that were the invasions of Afghanistan, where the Taliban are not defeated and will regain control, and Iraq where Al-Q is resurgent in Iraqi cities the protests were a positive triumph.

You are of course aware the protests took place BEFORE all of this right?

Some triumph alright....well done, give yourself a pat on the back

Karl Stein · 15-01-2014 10:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So just 2% of the country bothered to show their opposition, and that makes you the voice of the people??

100,000 taking time to demonstrate against the war is indicative of huge popular opposition to the war. The Irish public opposed the invasion and were 50/50 on the use of Shannon.

I'm confident there'd have been a substantial majority in opposition to the use of Shannon had the mainstream media not rolled over over like the obedient dog it was/is.

She got what she deserved. Hopefully she serves the entire 3 months.

Anti illegal war activist goes to jail and 'she gets what she deserved'. Those responsible for the mass slaughter like Tony Blair and George bush and their handlers retire in luxury and security and will never have to answer for their deeds.

Fucked up world.

Guy:Incognito · 15-01-2014 10:58PM

mathepac wrote: »

Poet, Activist, Parkinson's sufferer and Granny (79) gets jailed for 6 months and abused by brave, anonymous internet posters for acting on her principles.

So if her principles were that she was doing it because she hated Ryanair, would that be okay too?

The Manganese Overlord · 15-01-2014 10:58PM

Carlos Roca wrote: »

100,000 taking time to demonstrate against the war is indicative of huge popular opposition to the war. The Irish public opposed the invasion and were 50/50 on the use of Shannon.

I'm confident there'd have been a substantial majority in opposition to the use of Shannon had the mainstream media not rolled over over like the obedient dog it was/is.

She got what she deserved. Hopefully she serves the entire 3 months.

Anti illegal war activist goes to jail and 'she gets what she deserved'. Those responsible for the mass slaughter like Tony Blair and George bush and their handlers retire in luxury and security and will never have to answer for their deeds.

Fucked up world.

And what difference did it make? The government won the next election, the shannon stopover was still allowd. How did the media 'roll over'? If anything they helped stir up anti-war support. There was also a different attitude in the country then, an overconfidence. It's gone the opposite now, too far, but I'd say there's no way you'd get 100,000 protesting against the shannon stopover if something kicked off in Syria this year.

Poet, Activist, Parkinson's sufferer and Granny (79) gets jailed for 6 months.

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