Evander "real deal holyfield?

ZiabR · 13-01-2014 10:41AM

NIMAN wrote: »

He just sounds stupid beyond belief.

109 room mansion!!

My thoughts exactly. If he had two brains he would be twice as thick.

Wibbs · 13-01-2014 11:40AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

As I thought. I see your point all right. Ignore what the men did themselves and pretend they're completely innocent in order to push your agenda that women are the devil (seen your vitriolic posts) and blame women for what you claim "society" thinks.

Oh sure I agree and it so takes two to tango, however I would agree with some of what he says, though I'd be clear and not so blinkered to extrapolate that some golddigging divorce type women are all women. They're a tiny subset, but if you're a rich bloke god help you if you're daft enough to get hitched to one of that type.

Being wealthy - especially in the US I would argue - will attract the type. Even so the men have a responsibility too. After all if some dollybird shows up that you wouldn't have a hope in hell meeting never mind getting if you worked flipping burgers then have a bit of cop on. It's not your personality and wit that's attracting her. Then again it's not her personality and wit that's attracting you, is it?

Fiery mutant wrote:

HOLY SHHIITT

I know, right? She's built for ticking a lot of male boxes alright. Though even the briefest google would suggest she'd be a pain in the arse, so sadly the most important box goes unticked.

Seedy Arling · 13-01-2014 11:46AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Same with Tyson he lost $300 million and he is still only in his forties, you'd think when these guys came from poor backrounds that they would be able to put some of the money aside.
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That comment reminds me of what Alan Partridge said about the famine: 'If they could afford to emigrate, they could afford to eat at a modest restaurant.'

It's about lack of education and exploitation of talent.

FTA69 · 13-01-2014 12:15PM

I've no tolerance for homophobia and it should be challenged whenever it gets brought up, for whatever reason. It is clear Holyfield's views come from his strong religious beliefs and while this isn't acceptable either, it didn't come across as pure hatred or particularly vicious.

At the end of the day there are many people in the world who are passionately religious, and while that may cause them to have sh*t views on some subjects it doesn't necessarily make them bad people or negate any other achievements they may have.

Reekwind · 13-01-2014 01:01PM

Wibbs wrote: »

You see it with rap artists quite a bit. Guy with one hit record under his belt and he's on Pimp my Crib or whatever and it's usually the record companies gaff, but you have to keep up the pretense, with the gold plated bentley and the wristwatch dipped in diamonds and the medallion that "costs" 500,000 dollars a pop. Then they attract hangers on and vultures like files to poo(mixed metaphors ahoy). Gold digging wagons are also throwing themselves at them and a moment of Las Vegas matrimonial madness can be followed with US divorce laws they can easily lose half their stash in one court date. A stash that again may only be on paper, but she'll get the half in reality.

Rodney Smith would point to a more interesting dynamic at work with rappers and bling. Witness:

In the world of Nike trainers and the world of nice suits
Expensive wrist watch, expensive boots

In the event that I don't earn nothin' (heh)
I'm bound to sell all of these things
Sell my bling
Yes, and rightly so

Now bourgeois hippies want to fight my flow
I'm wishin' I was a trustafarian
I wouldn't have to hustle
And I wouldn't have to swear at 'em

I came from this
I gotta do better
My pen is my sword
My pen is my Beretta

Sunglasses Ron · 13-01-2014 01:02PM

stpaddy99 wrote: »

who has told you that and why?

Indeed.

When in the f'uck have the Catholic church come out with this far right Southern US evangelical type of spiel? From my memory of school they take a more embarrassed approach, a sort of "if we pretend it doesn't exist it doesn't" approach to it. But I certainly never recall any type of specifically anti gay education/ propaganda in religion class.

kryogen · 13-01-2014 01:06PM

So many former boxing greats end up in terrible situations.

Some by their own stupidity, some because they got screwed over by those looking after the finances.

mikom · 13-01-2014 01:10PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I've no tolerance for homophobia and it should be challenged whenever it gets brought up, for whatever reason. It is clear Holyfield's views come from his strong religious beliefs

Hmmm....

stpaddy99 wrote: »

the man has has 11 kids , by 5 women,

What religion is he again?

PopePalpatine · 13-01-2014 01:28PM

stpaddy99 wrote: »

who has told you that and why?

These fundamentalist types say bollocks like "DEM FAGS GON' BURN IN HELL!" all of the time.

Sunglasses Ron · 13-01-2014 01:50PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

These fundamentalist types say bollocks like "DEM FAGS GON' BURN IN HELL!" all of the time.

In Ireland?

Really? In Ireland?

Back then families hid half of those who had clearly no interest in women by shipping them off to the priesthood. Which as we know turned out fairly disastrously. My mam once told me she never even realised the existence/ heard of the concept of gay people until she was in New York in the late 70's and seen them. Never mind preached against, the idea that they exist and should be campaigned against wasn't even broadcast in Ireland back then.

wretcheddomain · 13-01-2014 02:04PM

Nothing great about the man at all, a religious nutbag with absolutely no intellectual capacity whatsoever who happened to be good at throwing a few jabs, meh, his stupidity reflects the damage he's done to his life.

Warper · 13-01-2014 02:13PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Nothing great about the man at all, a religious nutbag with absolutely no intellectual capacity whatsoever who happened to be good at throwing a few jabs, meh, his stupidity reflects the damage he's done to his life.

He was Olympic Champion, World Champion and was involved in some of the best boxing fights of all time. Ya nothing great about him :rolleyes:

Eight Ball · 13-01-2014 02:15PM

The guy is a homophobic clown. Don't have an ounce of pity for him. A guy round these parts who has that many kids with all those women is classed as a scumbag and I see no reason not to class him in that same light.

wretcheddomain · 13-01-2014 02:23PM

Warper wrote: »

He was Olympic Champion, World Champion and was involved in some of the best boxing fights of all time. Ya nothing great about him :rolleyes:

What's so great about that?

Beano · 13-01-2014 02:28PM

Warper wrote: »

He was Olympic Champion, World Champion and was involved in some of the best boxing fights of all time. Ya nothing great about him :rolleyes:

He was never Olympic champion

FTA69 · 13-01-2014 02:28PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

What's so great about that?

What's great about reaching the pinnacle of one of the hardest sports in the world? Plenty in my eyes.

Sporting excellence is still excellence.

FTA69 · 13-01-2014 02:29PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Really? In Ireland? Back then families hid half of those who had clearly no interest in women by shipping them off to the priesthood. Which as we know turned out fairly disastrously.

Paedophilia and homosexuality are two different things.

wretcheddomain · 13-01-2014 02:31PM

FTA69 wrote: »

What's great about reaching the pinnacle of one of the hardest sports in the world? Plenty in my eyes.

Sporting excellence is still excellence.

Jessica Ennis-Hill is the Olympic heptathlon champion - so according to you and others, we should call her "Great" too...

Is anyone willing to embarrass themselves by calling Jessica Ennis-Hill "Great" or is it only reserved for men?

Reekwind · 13-01-2014 02:33PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Is anyone willing to embarrass themselves by calling Jessica Ennis-Hill "Great" or is it only reserved for men?

I think she's a very good athlete. On the same scale as Holyfield... arguably not but I wouldn't really be inclined to quibble it

Why? What else does she have to win to be considered 'great'?

WoollyRedHat · 13-01-2014 02:36PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Luise somesuch. I think. Just copypasta's her name TBH. I wasn't looking for her genealogy.

Luise Rainer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luise_Rainer You naughty devil Wibbs.

wretcheddomain · 13-01-2014 02:42PM

Reekwind wrote: »

I think she's a very good athlete. On the same scale as Holyfield... arguably not but I wouldn't really be inclined to quibble it

Why? What else does she have to win to be considered 'great'?

My point is that we can't go around calling every Olympic Gold medallist "Great" as it dilutes the word of all its meaning.

Similarly, I fail to see what's great about Holyfield - he certainly didn't mean to be entertaining in fights and having won a major championship doesn't qualify as great.

I would reserve words such as that to individuals who over a very long period of time are consistently the best and have a wall full of Olympic and World Championships under their name.

He might have been a good boxer but that's about it. The inflation of his career is totally unjustified when compared to true greats of sport. I've also noticed how the word great tends almost exclusively toward men rather than women.

osarusan · 13-01-2014 02:51PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Jessica Ennis-Hill is the Olympic heptathlon champion - so according to you and others, we should call her "Great" too...

That's not according to them, it's according to your strawman.

FTA69 · 13-01-2014 02:57PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Similarly, I fail to see what's great about Holyfield - he certainly didn't mean to be entertaining in fights and having won a major championship doesn't qualify as great.

I would reserve words such as that to individuals who over a very long period of time are consistently the best and have a wall full of Olympic and World Championships under their name.

He might have been a good boxer but that's about it. The inflation of his career is totally unjustified when compared to true greats of sport. I've also noticed how the word great tends almost exclusively toward men rather than women.

What sh*t is this? A man coming from cruiserweight to become the heavyweight champion of the world at a time when it was full of strong contenders isn't up there with the greats of sport? B*llocks.

There's no "unjustified inflation" here at all. He reached the top of one of the most demanding sports as well as demonstrating he was an absolute lion of a man.

In fact, Holyfield is arguably one of the greatest athletes of the late 20th Century. The fact you're reducing boxing down to "throwing a few punches" simply demonstrates your ignorance.

Dravokivich · 13-01-2014 03:05PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Jessica Ennis-Hill is the Olympic heptathlon champion - so according to you and others, we should call her "Great" too...

Is anyone willing to embarrass themselves by calling Jessica Ennis-Hill "Great" or is it only reserved for men?

No, its a reference to how someine consistantly stays on top throughout their carrerr when looking back on it.

And even then a lot of people would put that katie taylor one up at a similar level in comparison to her peers as a great.

Seedy Arling · 13-01-2014 03:20PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

My point is that we can't go around calling every Olympic Gold medallist "Great" as it dilutes the word of all its meaning.
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Winning an Olympic medal means some one isn't great at their sport??? That's a ridiculous statement. They don't hand them out like sweets ffs.

They'll always be known as an Olympic medal winner, it's not a sh1t achievement. Quite the opposite.

wretcheddomain · 13-01-2014 03:58PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

Winning an Olympic medal means some one isn't great at their sport??? That's a ridiculous statement. They don't hand them out like sweets ffs.

They'll always be known as an Olympic medal winner, it's not a sh1t achievement. Quite the opposite.

I agree.

...but the phrase 'all-time great' is thrown around way too often these days.

As I said, he may be an accomplished boxer given the few titles he won but as good as this may be, I can't possibly define him as an 'all-time great'.

I know I'm sailing against the wind in this thread but someone has to act as a beacon of reality amidst this fog of obeisance.

Seedy Arling · 13-01-2014 04:06PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I know I'm sailing against the wind in this thread but someone has to act as a beacon of reality amidst this fog of obeisance.

Keep fighting the good fight.

nacho libre · 13-01-2014 04:21PM

Speaking of Bowe, had he the mental strength in the ring that Holyfield had, he would have been one of the greats in the sports. Evander was a natural crusierweight, yet he stood toe to toe with guys that were naturally much bigger than him, such as bowe. I admire him for overcoming the odds to become a legend in one of the most demanding sports there is. However i don't have much sympathy for someone who blows 350 million. As a religious person, how can he be at ease with that when millions and millions of people have to survive on 2 pounds a day. I don't think cultural pressure to be ostentatious is an excuse for it. Also, like some born again christian hypocrites, he picks and chooses what he likes to live by, then willfully ignores the bits he doesn't.

osarusan · 13-01-2014 04:26PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I know I'm sailing against the wind in this thread but someone has to act as a beacon of reality amidst this fog of obeisance.

Let us be reminded of your beacon of reality:

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Nothing great about the man at all, a religious nutbag with absolutely no intellectual capacity whatsoever who happened to be good at throwing a few jabs, meh, his stupidity reflects the damage he's done to his life.

wretcheddomain · 13-01-2014 04:59PM

osarusan wrote: »

Let us be reminded of your beacon of reality:

I affirm it. It's a very well written description I think you'll agree.

Evander "real deal holyfield?

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