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Emirates to go 2x daily DXB-DUB from September

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  • #32
    urajoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭urajoke


    Manchester spent £10 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/manchester/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8929000/8929091.stm

    But will likely see A380 ops increase

    Gatwick £6.4 million http://www.thebusinesstravelmag.com/index.php/news-221/articles/gatwick-ready-to-welcome-a380s.html


  • #33
    Bo91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 ✭Bo91


    Sorry lads was just curious about this , that's all , just an other question it won't be too long before we see the a350 , will Emirates stick with the 777 or change to the a350 ? I know it will be nearly 2017 before we see aer lingus a350s .


  • #34
    urajoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭urajoke


    Bo91 wrote: »
    Sorry lads was just curious about this , that's all , just an other question it won't be too long before we see the a350 , will Emirates stick with the 777 or change to the a350 ? I know it will be nearly 2017 before we see aer lingus a350s .

    Yeah no problem, just hopefully answering your question fully.

    I imagine we might see one of the test aircraft in the next couple of years being shown off to Aer Lingus and the lessors.


  • #35
    RonanM123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭RonanM123


    Why do all B777 flights to UAE use stand 400c, had a luck at the maps and only reason I can see is it allows two air bridges be used as they are further apart than the other stands. Is that right or is there other reasons?


  • #36
    FWVT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 922 ✭✭✭FWVT


    Sorry for asking this but why do EI not do a route to Oz/NZ if their main failure on the DXB route was its lack of onward connections? Surely an A333 could be used?


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  • #37
    Marcusm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,880 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Bo91 wrote: »
    With Emirates going double daily , when is it possible for them to start with the a380 ? Is it just down to a double decker bridge ? And then it's possible ?

    A380s are idea for passenger heavy (especially high yielding F & J pax) routes which are slot constrained. I doubt this will ever truly apply to DUB. Plus some iterations of 773 will carry twice the cargo of an A380 meaning that moving to a single A380 would be the death knell of large cargo loads.
    FWVT wrote: »
    Sorry for asking this but why do EI not do a route to Oz/NZ if their main failure on the DXB route was its lack of onward connections? Surely an A333 could be used?

    It's a very long, thin route with mostly leisure passengers not business fares. Therefore total revenue would be relatively low. To properly crew the route, there would need to be crew out stations in the Gulf and in Australia. It would generate low revenues but have very high costs - the opposite of what woud be desired.


  • #38
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The A333 would have to stop twice, so it would become about a 22-23 hour flight, it would be a financial disaster competing with the Middle Eastern carriers. Look at Qantas, even they have stopped a lot of European flights and given the passengers to Emirates in Dubai.


  • #39
    urajoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭urajoke


    There are very few Major European airlines still flying to OZ/NZ as it's very difficult to make it profitable especially against the middle eastern airlines.

    So it is extremely unlikely that EI would even consider it. One A330 would be gone minimum 50hrs from Dublin so it wouldn't be cost effective or a good use iof resources.


  • #40
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭veetwin


    RonanM123 wrote: »
    Why do all B777 flights to UAE use stand 400c, had a luck at the maps and only reason I can see is it allows two air bridges be used as they are further apart than the other stands. Is that right or is there other reasons?


    I'd imagine EK and EY want their plane as close to the business lounge as possible. 400 is the closest meaning "guests" don't have a 10 minute slog down to the end of Pier E.


  • #41
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Not a hope in hell; a small island on the edge of Europe wouldn't fit the profile of the flag airlines in any of those locations. Emirates/Dubai are anxious to create passenger and cargo hubs. Ireland is a more key location for medical devices, pharma and some IT - this can lead to cargo in and out through distribution centres in Dubai. FAr east destinations would look for point to point at that end and Ireland would not be a destination point.

    London is on a small island...


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  • #42
    Sandwlch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Sandwlch


    owenc wrote: »
    London is on a small island...

    But is the world financial capital.....


  • #43
    youreadthat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭youreadthat


    owenc wrote: »
    London is on a small island...

    Third most populated island in the world. ;)


  • #44
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    owenc wrote: »
    London is on a small island...

    Again we see an over simplified comparison. Using that criteria Belfast should equal Dublin in pax numbers...both are on the same island.

    Dublin cannot match London;
    -Population alone counts.
    -Historical ties to other countries.
    -Tourism potential for inbound traffic.
    -Business/Financial traffic.
    -Critical mass of carriers/flight maintains Hub status.


  • #45
    lufties
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    I'd love to see Thai, CX, MX and other Asian carriers in Dub, but it will never happen I know. Qatar will be welcomed, they are pretty good to fly with, transitting in Doha is not though:(


  • #46
    ballooba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ballooba


    FWVT wrote: »
    Sorry for asking this but why do EI not do a route to Oz/NZ if their main failure on the DXB route was its lack of onward connections? Surely an A333 could be used?
    It would make a lot of sense to start an AUH route to feed into Etihad. Virgin Australia have done similar in their agreement with Etihad. We might see something like this if Etihad increase their Aer Lingus stake?


  • #47
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    ballooba wrote: »
    It would make a lot of sense to start an AUH route to feed into Etihad. Virgin Australia have done similar in their agreement with Etihad. We might see something like this if Etihad increase their Aer Lingus stake?

    I guess that would depend on how valuable the DUB-AUH route is to Etihad vs the other routes they could do if those aircraft were freed up. If DUB-AUH is a valuable route then they're unlikely to codeshare it out to Aer Lingus.


  • #48
    brandon_flowers
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    IRLConor wrote: »
    I guess that would depend on how valuable the DUB-AUH route is to Etihad vs the other routes they could do if those aircraft were freed up. If DUB-AUH is a valuable route then they're unlikely to codeshare it out to Aer Lingus.

    Obviously is very valuable that they won't codeshare it, you can fly DUB to AUH on an EI ticket via MAN and LHR but not direct.


  • #49
    Naoise_H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭Naoise_H


    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    Obviously is very valuable that they won't codeshare it, you can fly DUB to AUH on an EI ticket via MAN and LHR but not direct.

    EI8041 and EI8042 are direct AUH-DUB-AUH and bookable through EI.


    Tangential to this discussion, is there any truth to rumours that Etihad are going to go twice-daily his year (as this tweet suggests -- gulf flights going from 17 now to 25-30 by year's end). Also, this tweet says Etihad will use a Dreamliner double-daily on the route.


  • #50
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Would definitely make sense for EY to increase to double daily.

    As for the B787's....EY have published a list of cities that are expected to see B787 service. Dublin is on that list but no indication of priority.
    I believe EY will take delivery of their B787's from 2016.


  • #51
    eatmyshorts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    EK163 will leave Dubai at 16:00, arrive Dublin at 20:50.
    EK164 will depart Dublin at 22:20 and arrive in Dubai at 08:55.

    3 class 777-300ER starting 1/9/14.


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  • #52
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,151 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    eatmyshorts wrote: »
    EK163 will leave Dubai at 16:00, arrive Dublin at 20:50.
    EK164 will depart Dublin at 22:20 and arrive in Dubai at 08:55.

    3 class 777-300ER starting 1/9/14.

    Glad to see my guesstimate in post #13 above was about right - well within 5 minutes!!!

    Maybe I should move into airline scheduling!

    Those times maximise onward connectivity.


  • #53
    pclive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭pclive


    EY are taking delivery fo their first 787 and 380 leater this year:

    http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/231507/etihad-embarks-on-further-network-expansion/

    To support this phase of its global network expansion, Etihad will receive 20 aircraft deliveries next year, including the much-awaited arrival of its first 787-9 Dreamliners and Airbus A380s. (note that the article is dated 17th December 2013)


  • #54
    mooseknunkle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mooseknunkle


    Im just curious as to why this wasn't a surprise to so many on here,have EK published passenger numbers/cargo loads for the route?

    Ive never flown with Emirates but fly from DUB with Etihad around 4 times a year and the flights are nearly always full for instance i flew on Christmas eve and i thought it would be empty but the flight was actually over booked,are Emirates getting the same numbers as EY?


  • #55
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    mooseknunkle wrote: »
    Im just curious as to why this wasn't a surprise to so many on here.........Ive never flown with Emirates but fly from DUB with Etihad around 4 times a year and the flights are nearly always full.................,are Emirates getting the same numbers as EY?

    I think you answered your own question there.

    Some posters here work in the airport so are aware in a general sense of the 'fullness or not' of certain flights.


  • #56
    lord lucan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,582 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    mooseknunkle wrote: »
    Im just curious as to why this wasn't a surprise to so many on here,have EK published passenger numbers/cargo loads for the route?

    Ive never flown with Emirates but fly from DUB with Etihad around 4 times a year and the flights are nearly always full for instance i flew on Christmas eve and i thought it would be empty but the flight was actually over booked,are Emirates getting the same numbers as EY?

    A few months back the figure I heard for EK loads was 92% and it seems to be overbooked reasonably often too. It was only a matter of time before they went double daily.


  • #57
    circular flexing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭circular flexing


    mooseknunkle wrote: »
    Im just curious as to why this wasn't a surprise to so many on here,have EK published passenger numbers/cargo loads for the route?

    Ive never flown with Emirates but fly from DUB with Etihad around 4 times a year and the flights are nearly always full for instance i flew on Christmas eve and i thought it would be empty but the flight was actually over booked,are Emirates getting the same numbers as EY?

    Recently flew Emirates and both flights (DUB-DXB and DXB-DUB) were full in economy, not so busy in business/first.


  • #58
    brandon_flowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    One of the early indications that it was going well was the fact EK were putting brand new 777 on the route constantly rather than some older models that they use for going to Lagos, Khartoum or some other less prestigious route.

    Also I know from a friend who exports a lot of seafood from Ireland to Dubai and onwards was saying trying to get last minute cargo space on EK was getting more and more difficult because cargo loads were so high.

    And with economy and cargo being full and biz and 1st empty the route would still generate plenty of profit.


  • #59
    veetwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Talking to a EK staff member today she was saying that the flight is very regularly overbooked. She didn't know the new arrival and departure times but wasn't looking forward to being there after 10pm each night. She did say however it meant her job was secure and they would be taking on more staff.


  • #60
    NewSigGuy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭NewSigGuy


    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    One of the early indications that it was going well was the fact EK were putting brand new 777 on the route constantly rather than some older models that they use for going to Lagos, Khartoum or some other less prestigious route.

    Lagos is, despite peoples perceptions, one of the highest "Yield" routes on the EK network and has normally been flown by the premium aircraft 777-300ER and 340-500..

    Dub is confirmed today as 777-300ER for the second flight timings are:
    EK 163 DXB-DUB 16:00-20:50
    EK 164 DUB-DXB 22:20-08:55+1

    720 seats each way per day..


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  • #61
    FuzzyDunlop100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭FuzzyDunlop100


    NewSigGuy wrote: »
    Lagos is, despite peoples perceptions, one of the highest "Yield" routes on the EK network and has normally been flown by the premium aircraft 777-300ER and 340-500..

    Dub is confirmed today as 777-300ER for the second flight timings are:
    EK 163 DXB-DUB 16:00-20:50
    EK 164 DUB-DXB 22:20-08:55+1

    720 seats each way per day..

    I didn't realise EK thought of their 340-500's as premium aircraft -I seem to recall a recent comment by Tim Clark where he stated they were going to the knackers yard ASAP.


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