Emirates to go 2x daily DXB-DUB from September

eatmyshorts

EK to go double daily on the Dublin route from September.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/emirates-to-boost-dublin-dubai-route-1.1649327

urajoke

eatmyshorts wrote: »

EK to go double daily on the Dublin route from September.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/emirates-to-boost-dublin-dubai-route-1.1649327

Not unexpected but good news none the less.

brandon_flowers

Just spotted it now on twitter. Can only be good news, I'm sure if Qatar arrive it will stick in a nice bit of competition into Emirates and Etihad. They both seem to be making a pretty penny from the routes since they commenced a few years ago especially through cargo loads.

Preset No.3

And Aer Lingus said they couldnt make any money from that route?

Jamie2k9

Preset No.3 wrote: »

And Aer Lingus said they couldnt make any money from that route?

EK and EY wouldn't be making money if it was just point to point traffic or very little.....hence why EI couldn't either.

Delta Kilo

Emirates have a stronghold in DXB too, I have had meetings in my job with smaller airlines from that part of the world who made it very clear that politics in Dubai was very centred on Emirates and other airlines were squeezed out of DXB. Aer Lingus wouldn't get a look in.

lord lucan

It'll be interesting to see what time the second outbound from DUB leaves at. When rumours surfaced of a second EK flight a few months back the suggestion was that it would leave after the second EY so it'll be quite late.

smurfjed

Having flown Emirates and Turkish into Dublin, I have to admit that i preferred Turkish mainly because the flights were on an A321 and B738, rather than an EK B777 with 10 abreast seating. The legroom on Turkish was also better as was the transit through Istanbul.
On a final note, Turkish was over 200 cheaper and gave a 30 kg baggage allowance.

brandon_flowers

Just a guess...

With their current set up they depart DUB at 13:50 and arrive in DXB at 00:25 LT, the flight from DXB departs at 07:25 and arrives in DUB at 12:15. So they have a 1.5 hr turnaround in DUB and an overnight in DXB. With night ops reduced I am guessing they would only want the second daily flight to be arriving in DXB after 05:30 so departing DUB at 19:45 give or take. Then the second DXB-DUB leg would be at 12:25 from DXB and arriving in DUB at 17:15.

NewSigGuy

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Just a guess...

With their current set up they depart DUB at 13:50 and arrive in DXB at 00:25 LT, the flight from DXB departs at 07:25 and arrives in DUB at 12:15. So they have a 1.5 hr turnaround in DUB and an overnight in DXB. With night ops reduced I am guessing they would only want the second daily flight to be arriving in DXB after 05:30 so departing DUB at 19:45 give or take. Then the second DXB-DUB leg would be at 12:25 from DXB and arriving in DUB at 17:15.

No Reduction in Night Ops in DXB!

Peregrine

Airline chief executive Tim Clark said number of flights from Ireland will double

I presume the second flight will be operated by an A330?


Anyway, this is welcome news but no surprises here.

Zonda999

Maybe it'll start with A330-200/A340-300 but I would expect it to go double daily 77W before too long, judging on the size of the ever growing 77W fleet

LXFlyer

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Just a guess...

With their current set up they depart DUB at 13:50 and arrive in DXB at 00:25 LT, the flight from DXB departs at 07:25 and arrives in DUB at 12:15. So they have a 1.5 hr turnaround in DUB and an overnight in DXB. With night ops reduced I am guessing they would only want the second daily flight to be arriving in DXB after 05:30 so departing DUB at 19:45 give or take. Then the second DXB-DUB leg would be at 12:25 from DXB and arriving in DUB at 17:15.

I would imagine that the timing of the second flight will revolve around providing onward connections at Dubai - particularly to/from Australia and China.

I would think it will be even later than your suggestion, as the first flights arrive in Dubai from Sydney at 14:30 and from Beijing at 12:00.

Allowing time for the connections, that would have it leaving Dubai at 15:55, arriving into Dublin at 20:45.

A return flight at 22:15 would arrive into Dubai for 08:50, allowing a connection to Sydney at 10:15 and Beijing at 11:00.

pclancy

Meh Dubai is a mess and I'd still rather fly an airline that doesn't pack in 10 abreast with poor legroom. As a tall person Korean Air and Malaysian will always get my dollars

Zonda999

I don't know if this is the right place to bring it up but there are rumblings about a Qatar airways service as well, at least there is on airliners.net anyways..

urajoke

I wonder will they all try and squeeze on to 400c

Stinicker

This will bring to 35 flights a week between Dublin and hub airports in Asia,

Currently there is:

• A daily service to Istanbul; ten flights a week with Turkish Airlines
• A daily service to Abu Dhabi; ten flights a week with Etihad
• A daily service to Dubai; 7 flights a week with Emirates, soon to be 14 a week from Sept '14.

LXFlyer

Technically Istanbul Airport is in Europe!

pclancy

Direct to Singapore, Hong Kong, Incheon or Kuala Lumpor would really be cool hub airports for the expats living down under.

brandon_flowers

pclancy wrote: »

Direct to Singapore, Hong Kong, Incheon or Kuala Lumpor would really be cool hub airports for the expats living down under.

Wholeheartedly agree but...

SQ already have a hub at FRA for through pax
MH at AMS
KE at CDG
CX at LHR

The best we can hope for is that Qatar do join, after that it seems the rest is already sewn up.

I suppose the issue of runway length at DUB doesn't help either.

urajoke

Unconfirmed aircraft type is a 777-200LR note it's unconfirmed. Bit of an odd choice.

The timings of the flight indicate all four ME flights will use 400C

brandon_flowers

For the NCE-DXB route (which I see probably once a week on stand in Nice) they have used a mix of 777-200ER, 200LR and 300. I have seen them use an A340-500 once in Nice.

In Lyon they have the same random spread of aircraft also although I have seen an A340-500 there more than once.

I guess they will chop and change to suit themselves once the second flight is up and running and they know the loads they have.

Tenger

urajoke wrote: »

Unconfirmed aircraft type is a 777-200LR note it's unconfirmed. Bit of an odd choice.

Aircraft used would be more to do with what they have available for that slot than what would be the most effective. Perhaps all their other A332 and B773 are dedicated to other routes. And they decided that the 2nd daily was more important to launch before waiting for more aircraft to be on hand. Over the next 2-3 years EK will be phasing out their older B777's in favour for more B773's. Longterm the A330-200 will be their smallest widebody.

smurfjed

use 400C

Whats this?

JamieIsGod

smurfjed wrote: »

Whats this?

The stand currently used by EK and EY in Dublin

Marcusm

pclancy wrote: »

Direct to Singapore, Hong Kong, Incheon or Kuala Lumpor would really be cool hub airports for the expats living down under.

Not a hope in hell; a small island on the edge of Europe wouldn't fit the profile of the flag airlines in any of those locations. Emirates/Dubai are anxious to create passenger and cargo hubs. Ireland is a more key location for medical devices, pharma and some IT - this can lead to cargo in and out through distribution centres in Dubai. FAr east destinations would look for point to point at that end and Ireland would not be a destination point.

Bo91

With Emirates going double daily , when is it possible for them to start with the a380 ? Is it just down to a double decker bridge ? And then it's possible ?

urajoke

No not that simple. A lot of infrastructure would need to be improved. Signage moved. Fire category needs to be upgraded for the aircraft. Catering vehicles to reach top deck etc.

Remember even airports like Heathrow and LAX that take A340-600s and 777-300s had to spend millions to even allow the aircraft to move around the airfield.

Emirates would probably go triple daily or more before they would consider the A380. I can't imagine the DAA seeking them to operate it in the near future due to the amount of money they would need to spend for one aircraft.

urajoke

Have a read it's quite detailed and an airport would need to go through things in fine detail for its own unique situation.

http://www.aci.aero/aci/aci/file/Technical_Safety/A380%20infrastruture%20reqs%20-%20alternates.doc

Tenger

Bo91 wrote: »

With Emirates going double daily , when is it possible for them to start with the a380 ? Is it just down to a double decker bridge ? And then it's possible ?

Its not that simple. Double daily actually is a more enticing to passengers than a single A380 flight. 2 flights offer more transfer options. And offering an single A380 when Ethiad offer 2 departures may lose them some pax to EY.

urajoke

The airport could simply say NO to the A380 as it might never recoup the cost of modicfications to the airport from the A380 flights.

Let's say it cost €5 million to modify the airport it would take a lot of passengers and several years to see a return on the investment whereas if you say no there is no cost as you don't need to modify the airport but you end up with a 2x or a 3x daily service instead of a 10 or 14 weekly service of a mixed 777/380.

urajoke

Manchester spent £10 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/manchester/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8929000/8929091.stm

But will likely see A380 ops increase

Gatwick £6.4 million http://www.thebusinesstravelmag.com/index.php/news-221/articles/gatwick-ready-to-welcome-a380s.html

Bo91

Sorry lads was just curious about this , that's all , just an other question it won't be too long before we see the a350 , will Emirates stick with the 777 or change to the a350 ? I know it will be nearly 2017 before we see aer lingus a350s .

urajoke

Bo91 wrote: »

Sorry lads was just curious about this , that's all , just an other question it won't be too long before we see the a350 , will Emirates stick with the 777 or change to the a350 ? I know it will be nearly 2017 before we see aer lingus a350s .

Yeah no problem, just hopefully answering your question fully.

I imagine we might see one of the test aircraft in the next couple of years being shown off to Aer Lingus and the lessors.

RonanM123

Why do all B777 flights to UAE use stand 400c, had a luck at the maps and only reason I can see is it allows two air bridges be used as they are further apart than the other stands. Is that right or is there other reasons?

FWVT

Sorry for asking this but why do EI not do a route to Oz/NZ if their main failure on the DXB route was its lack of onward connections? Surely an A333 could be used?

Marcusm

Bo91 wrote: »

With Emirates going double daily , when is it possible for them to start with the a380 ? Is it just down to a double decker bridge ? And then it's possible ?

A380s are idea for passenger heavy (especially high yielding F & J pax) routes which are slot constrained. I doubt this will ever truly apply to DUB. Plus some iterations of 773 will carry twice the cargo of an A380 meaning that moving to a single A380 would be the death knell of large cargo loads.

FWVT wrote: »

Sorry for asking this but why do EI not do a route to Oz/NZ if their main failure on the DXB route was its lack of onward connections? Surely an A333 could be used?

It's a very long, thin route with mostly leisure passengers not business fares. Therefore total revenue would be relatively low. To properly crew the route, there would need to be crew out stations in the Gulf and in Australia. It would generate low revenues but have very high costs - the opposite of what woud be desired.

smurfjed

The A333 would have to stop twice, so it would become about a 22-23 hour flight, it would be a financial disaster competing with the Middle Eastern carriers. Look at Qantas, even they have stopped a lot of European flights and given the passengers to Emirates in Dubai.

urajoke

There are very few Major European airlines still flying to OZ/NZ as it's very difficult to make it profitable especially against the middle eastern airlines.

So it is extremely unlikely that EI would even consider it. One A330 would be gone minimum 50hrs from Dublin so it wouldn't be cost effective or a good use iof resources.

veetwin

RonanM123 wrote: »

Why do all B777 flights to UAE use stand 400c, had a luck at the maps and only reason I can see is it allows two air bridges be used as they are further apart than the other stands. Is that right or is there other reasons?

I'd imagine EK and EY want their plane as close to the business lounge as possible. 400 is the closest meaning "guests" don't have a 10 minute slog down to the end of Pier E.

owenc

Marcusm wrote: »

Not a hope in hell; a small island on the edge of Europe wouldn't fit the profile of the flag airlines in any of those locations. Emirates/Dubai are anxious to create passenger and cargo hubs. Ireland is a more key location for medical devices, pharma and some IT - this can lead to cargo in and out through distribution centres in Dubai. FAr east destinations would look for point to point at that end and Ireland would not be a destination point.

London is on a small island...

Sandwlch

owenc wrote: »

London is on a small island...

But is the world financial capital.....

youreadthat

owenc wrote: »

London is on a small island...

Third most populated island in the world.

Tenger

owenc wrote: »

London is on a small island...

Again we see an over simplified comparison. Using that criteria Belfast should equal Dublin in pax numbers...both are on the same island.

Dublin cannot match London;
-Population alone counts.
-Historical ties to other countries.
-Tourism potential for inbound traffic.
-Business/Financial traffic.
-Critical mass of carriers/flight maintains Hub status.

lufties

I'd love to see Thai, CX, MX and other Asian carriers in Dub, but it will never happen I know. Qatar will be welcomed, they are pretty good to fly with, transitting in Doha is not though:(

ballooba

FWVT wrote: »

Sorry for asking this but why do EI not do a route to Oz/NZ if their main failure on the DXB route was its lack of onward connections? Surely an A333 could be used?

It would make a lot of sense to start an AUH route to feed into Etihad. Virgin Australia have done similar in their agreement with Etihad. We might see something like this if Etihad increase their Aer Lingus stake?

IRLConor

ballooba wrote: »

It would make a lot of sense to start an AUH route to feed into Etihad. Virgin Australia have done similar in their agreement with Etihad. We might see something like this if Etihad increase their Aer Lingus stake?

I guess that would depend on how valuable the DUB-AUH route is to Etihad vs the other routes they could do if those aircraft were freed up. If DUB-AUH is a valuable route then they're unlikely to codeshare it out to Aer Lingus.

brandon_flowers

IRLConor wrote: »

I guess that would depend on how valuable the DUB-AUH route is to Etihad vs the other routes they could do if those aircraft were freed up. If DUB-AUH is a valuable route then they're unlikely to codeshare it out to Aer Lingus.

Obviously is very valuable that they won't codeshare it, you can fly DUB to AUH on an EI ticket via MAN and LHR but not direct.

Naoise_H

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Obviously is very valuable that they won't codeshare it, you can fly DUB to AUH on an EI ticket via MAN and LHR but not direct.

EI8041 and EI8042 are direct AUH-DUB-AUH and bookable through EI.


Tangential to this discussion, is there any truth to rumours that Etihad are going to go twice-daily his year (as this tweet suggests -- gulf flights going from 17 now to 25-30 by year's end). Also, this tweet says Etihad will use a Dreamliner double-daily on the route.

Tenger

Would definitely make sense for EY to increase to double daily.

As for the B787's....EY have published a list of cities that are expected to see B787 service. Dublin is on that list but no indication of priority.
I believe EY will take delivery of their B787's from 2016.

eatmyshorts

EK163 will leave Dubai at 16:00, arrive Dublin at 20:50.
EK164 will depart Dublin at 22:20 and arrive in Dubai at 08:55.

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