30 Years Old. Cars I'm (probably not) buying in 2014.

Red Kev · 27-12-2013 12:36PM #1

Ten of the many cars that went on sale in 1984 (though maybe not all of the min RHD) and are now eligible for classic tax.

1. Rover 213/216, a sort of posh car in it's class, marked out by a huge boot (IIRC).

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and of course there's this version too.

2. Renault 25 with it's space age interior (for it's time anyway).

3. Opel Kadett E.

4. Fiat Regata. Nice clean lines, always have a soft spot for them as it was one of the cars that I learnt to drive in.

5. Renault Espace. Rentroduced the MPV to Europe in a big way.

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6. Austin Montego. Liked these too, turbo version here was introduced later, supposed to be very fast but with lethal turbo lag. Still, you can't have everything.

7. SAAB 9000. Still okks very fresh.

8. Toyota Carina. For the middle manager and diesels for the succesful farmer

9. Toyota MR2. Ferrari looks and Japanese reliability.

and finally.....

10. Ferrari Testarossa. Top trumps classic, Testa v Countach was the source of as many playground arguments as Liverpool v Man Utd, Crockett & Tubbs had one as well which just added to the mystique around it.

Anan1 · 27-12-2013 12:45PM

Lancia Thema turbo ie. Lovely to drive, and very fast.

Odyssey 2005 · 27-12-2013 12:49PM

Red Kev wrote: »

Ten of the many cars that went on sale in 1984 (though maybe not all of the min RHD) and are now eligible for classic tax.

1. Rover 213/216, a sort of posh car in it's class, marked out by a huge boot (IIRC).

and of course there's this version too.

2. Renault 25 with it's space age interior (for it's time anyway).

3. Opel Kadett E.

4. Fiat Regata. Nice clean lines, always have a soft spot for them as it was one of the cars that I learnt to drive in.

5. Renault Espace. Rentroduced the MPV to Europe in a big way.

6. Austin Montego. Liked these too, turbo version here was introduced later, supposed to be very fast but with lethal turbo lag. Still, you can't have everything.

7. SAAB 9000. Still okks very fresh.

8. Toyota Carina. For the middle manager and diesels for the succesful farmer

9. Toyota MR2. Ferrari looks and Japanese reliability.

and finally.....

10. Ferrari Testarossa. Top trumps classic, Testa v Countach was the source of as many playground arguments as Liverpool v Man Utd, Crockett & Tubbs had one as well which just added to the mystique around it.

No I feel Really old .........:eek:
I remember every one of them. An old boss of mine got a Renault 25,the fancy one gts I think. Beautiful car with 25 on the plate. Car looked like Captain Kirk belonged in it.

kev1.3s · 27-12-2013 12:49PM

Thema and 9000 were practically the same but still can't believe they are 30! Had the pleasure of prodding about in a thema recently and it would put most new cars to shame.

Anan1 · 27-12-2013 12:53PM

kev1.3s wrote: »

Thema and 9000 were practically the same but still can't believe they are 30! Had the pleasure of prodding about in a thema recently and it would put most new cars to shame.

There was the Alfa 164 too, although from memory that only arrived in '88.

Red Kev · 27-12-2013 01:49PM

Four cars on the one platform....

SAAB 9000 1984
Lancia Thema 1984
Alfa 164 1987
FIAT Croma 1985

SAAB and Alfa still look very fresh today, had a 164 Cloverleaf (230 Bhp, 4WD) in Germany years ago, brilliant car.

hi5 · 27-12-2013 02:36PM

Lots of stuff with 5 speed gearboxes and fuel injection now:)

quattro777 · 27-12-2013 02:55PM

Audi 200 turbo.

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Anan1 · 27-12-2013 03:15PM

quattro777 wrote: »

Audi 200 turbo.

I had one of them in '96-97, same colour and all!

B2AUDI80 · 03-01-2014 03:55PM

id like to get hold of an early small bumper mk2 gti :rolleyes:

Carson10 · 03-01-2014 10:01PM

Wonder if hyacinth bouquet from Keeping up Appearances still has her one or did Richard trade it in??

Scortho · 03-01-2014 10:45PM

Red Kev wrote: »

Four cars on the one platform....

SAAB 9000 1984
Lancia Thema 1984
Alfa 164 1987
FIAT Croma 1985

SAAB and Alfa still look very fresh today, had a 164 Cloverleaf (230 Bhp, 4WD) in Germany years ago, brilliant car.

164 qv? Wow! Do tell me more!

mike65 · 03-01-2014 11:15PM

I still have a lust for a R25 Bacara, which almost certainly a sign of madness.

corkrobinhood · 03-01-2014 11:40PM

I have one of those old Carina II's,1.6 GL,mines a 1987 model,last of that shape made,could do with a few parts for it if anyone knew of one lying up somewhere!

Saabturbonut · 04-01-2014 12:16PM

for me , nothing beats a saab 900 turbo

Red Kev · 04-01-2014 01:18PM

Scortho wrote: »

164 qv? Wow! Do tell me more!

Had a 5 year old one in the mid 90's. They were cheap enough as the depreciation in Germany is high due to Germans not liking their unreliable rep. Along with this the big 2nd hand car buyers: the East Europeans, Africans and Arabs have no real interest in Alfa's so for the money it's a fast car.

I was looking for something bigger, had just sold a 911 as my body was sore after a serious car accident, I needed some thing more comfortable and saw the Alfa at a dealership going cheap. Traded the 911 in for that as the dealer wanted it as a private car and got some cash my way. Fast, excellent roadholding especially in the wet, great gearbox, well balanced, very good AWD system for the time. They look good IMO, great sound, easy to do basic service on and wear and tear parts were easily available and cheap at the time. I'd highly recommend one.

I'm kind of looking at getting another but it'll have to be imported and I might get shafted on the VRT. I had it for 8-10 months, was 100% reliable in the time I had it. Hard on tyres but I drove it very hard. BTW it'll eat a Lancia Thema 8.32, the engine in the Alfa is actually more powerful as the Lancia's engine is detuned. Seems they suffered from bad torque steer.

Myself and the GF spent 10 days in Switzerland Italy and Austria, did every major pass or mountain road, Grossglockner, Stevio, Furka etc etc, did a total of 2500 km motorway, 1000 good national roads and about 1500 mountain roads. Brand new front tyres were gone after that, needed new brake pads and the rear tyres were 50% gone.

But it was well worth the money.

Car was red over black, was still on the road in 2011 and still looked good, to be fair it was always very well maintained. The friend I sold it to sold it to his brother. Looked just like this one here:

Kaiser D · 04-01-2014 04:10PM

I'd really like to pick up another Austin 1100 or 1300 VDP. Or a Wolseley variant.

I know of a lovely 69 Wolseley MK2 auto going for a song, I've to keep myself from buying

jochenstacker · 08-01-2014 11:42AM

Anyone fancy a Lada?

Mully_2011 · 08-01-2014 06:16PM

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The x70 series Mark 2/Chaser/Cressida.The estate was produced until 1997 in Japan as a service van annd the Chaser had a 2.0 inline 6 twin turbo the same engine (In N\A form with vvti) would later be used by Toyota in the is200

Kaiser D · 10-01-2014 09:10PM

Kaiser D wrote: »

I'd really like to pick up another Austin 1100 or 1300 VDP. Or a Wolseley variant.

I know of a lovely 69 Wolseley MK2 auto going for a song, I've to keep myself from buying

...and I have gone and done it!

macplaxton · 11-01-2014 03:00AM

Kaiser D wrote: »

...and I have gone and done it!

Good man!

(I've got a wee pocket book here if you want it. PM you're name/address and I'll stick it in the post when I see it again.)

Flesh Gorden · 11-01-2014 05:42PM

Would the insurance companies try and push the 'mass produced and not rare enough' clause with some of these 80's cars?

Or does that become less of an issue when they hit the 30 year mark?

In another few years, I'd be very interested in a W124 for occasional use as the older I get, the more I long to become an organ donor motorcyclist.

Plus my own current wagon is getting closer to the 20 year mark to satisfy the first need for classic insurance, but would never be rare enough to be considered a classic.
Which is a shame considering the mechanical shape it's in and the ease to keep it in top shape it is right now.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 11-01-2014 09:15PM

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

Would the insurance companies try and push the 'mass produced and not rare enough' clause with some of these 80's cars?

Or does that become less of an issue when they hit the 30 year mark?

In another few years, I'd be very interested in a W124 for occasional use as the older I get, the more I long to become an organ donor motorcyclist.

Plus my own current wagon is getting closer to the 20 year mark to satisfy the first need for classic insurance, but would never be rare enough to be considered a classic.
Which is a shame considering the mechanical shape it's in and the ease to keep it in top shape it is right now.

I've a 95 Carina E on classic insurance. Not heard of the clause referenced above :pac:

Flesh Gorden · 12-01-2014 01:04AM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I've a 95 Carina E on classic insurance. Not heard of the clause referenced above :pac:

Out of curiosity who are you with?

I think it might have been the .pdf version of Axa's terms I read the line about a car having to be rare and not mass produced.

Although I'd say near the end of the month when they're looking to meet their quotas, they'd insure anything over the phone.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 12-01-2014 08:55AM

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

Out of curiosity who are you with?

I think it might have been the .pdf version of Axa's terms I read the line about a car having to be rare and not mass produced.

Although I'd say near the end of the month when they're looking to meet their quotas, they'd insure anything over the phone.

Campions - a broker, they have me insured on a classic policy on both my truck and the carina.

They were willing to insure me on a 1989 >3.5 ton ford F350 and were the only company willing to do so after weeks of phoning around. So even when I ended up not getting the truck I gave them my business anyway.

swarlb · 12-01-2014 01:14PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I've a 95 Carina E on classic insurance. Not heard of the clause referenced above :pac:

1995 !!! I run a 1994 Iveco as a recovery truck, could I claim 'Classic Insurance' on it. You don't see too many 1994 trucks around these days.
What is the criteria for classic insurance anyway, is it the year, the model, mileage ???

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 12-01-2014 01:52PM

swarlb wrote: »

1995 !!! I run a 1994 Iveco as a recovery truck, could I claim 'Classic Insurance' on it. You don't see too many 1994 trucks around these days.
What is the criteria for classic insurance anyway, is it the year, the model, mileage ???

For me with my broker it seems to be just the year, 15 years old and above.
My carina has 422k miles up on her now, so it can't be the miles on the car.

You can't get commercial use on a classic policy though, in my experience.

homingbird · 12-01-2014 03:30PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

For me with my broker it seems to be just the year, 15 years old and above.
My carina has 422k miles up on her now, so it can't be the miles on the car.

You can't get commercial use on a classic policy though, in my experience.

Yes you can get commercial insurance on a classic policy ring fbd on 1890 586 586

http://irishvintage.net/rates

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 12-01-2014 03:55PM

homingbird wrote: »

Yes you can get commercial insurance on a classic policy ring fbd on 1890 586 586

http://irishvintage.net/rates

I did, they were willing to give me insurance on a commercial vehicle but for vintage & SDP only - ie no commercial use.
I went through pretty much every insurer and broker in the country - from Autoline to Zurich - that offered classic insurance but could not get commercial classic insurance.
I now have a commercial vehicle insured on a private classic policy.

Also - a relevant point - you cannot use any vehicle commercially that has vintage/classic tax.

swarlb · 12-01-2014 04:37PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

For me with my broker it seems to be just the year, 15 years old and above.
My carina has 422k miles up on her now, so it can't be the miles on the car.

You can't get commercial use on a classic policy though, in my experience.

I meant was there a limit on the amount of miles per year usage.
So, your broker classified a car 15 years or older as 'classic', or just provides insurance cover at a lower rate. In other words, they want your money, where most insurance companies would put a loading on an older car (for obvious reasons).
It kinda puts a fine line between an 'old' car, and a 'classic' car. Is there an agreed valuation situation, how do they stand on body panels being no longer available in the event of an accident, or airbag deployment.
Most insurance companies will write off a 2000 model car as being 'uneconomical to repair'. So would they consider a car covered (1999) under a classic policy as being worth repairing, because its a classic, and therefore should be saved and used again.
What constitutes a 'classic', a 1999 Golf, a 1999 Fiat Punto, a 1999 Hyundai ???

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 12-01-2014 04:40PM

swarlb wrote: »

I meant was there a limit on the amount of miles per year usage.
So, your broker classified a car 15 years or older as 'classic', or just provides insurance cover at a lower rate. In other words, they want your money, where most insurance companies would put a loading on an older car (for obvious reasons).
It kinda puts a fine line between an 'old' car, and a 'classic' car. Is there an agreed valuation situation, how do they stand on body panels being no longer available in the event of an accident, or airbag deployment.
Most insurance companies will write off a 2000 model car as being 'uneconomical to repair'. So would they consider a car covered (1999) under a classic policy as being worth repairing, because its a classic, and therefore should be saved and used again.
What constitutes a 'classic', a 1999 Golf, a 1999 Fiat Punto, a 1999 Hyundai ???

Yup, mileage limit of 5200 miles per vehicle.
The policy states "...covered for vintage use, travelling to and from vintage events, and SDP"
Most classic policies are 3rd party only, not fully comp, so there is no valuation issue.

30 Years Old. Cars I'm (probably not) buying in 2014.

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