30 Years Old. Cars I'm (probably not) buying in 2014.

Red Kev

Ten of the many cars that went on sale in 1984 (though maybe not all of the min RHD) and are now eligible for classic tax.


1. Rover 213/216, a sort of posh car in it's class, marked out by a huge boot (IIRC).



and of course there's this version too.



2. Renault 25 with it's space age interior (for it's time anyway).





3. Opel Kadett E.



4. Fiat Regata. Nice clean lines, always have a soft spot for them as it was one of the cars that I learnt to drive in.



5. Renault Espace. Rentroduced the MPV to Europe in a big way.



6. Austin Montego. Liked these too, turbo version here was introduced later, supposed to be very fast but with lethal turbo lag. Still, you can't have everything.



7. SAAB 9000. Still okks very fresh.



8. Toyota Carina. For the middle manager and diesels for the succesful farmer




9. Toyota MR2. Ferrari looks and Japanese reliability.



and finally.....

10. Ferrari Testarossa. Top trumps classic, Testa v Countach was the source of as many playground arguments as Liverpool v Man Utd, Crockett & Tubbs had one as well which just added to the mystique around it.

Anan1

Lancia Thema turbo ie. Lovely to drive, and very fast.

Odyssey 2005

Red Kev wrote: »

Ten of the many cars that went on sale in 1984 (though maybe not all of the min RHD) and are now eligible for classic tax.


1. Rover 213/216, a sort of posh car in it's class, marked out by a huge boot (IIRC).



and of course there's this version too.



2. Renault 25 with it's space age interior (for it's time anyway).





3. Opel Kadett E.



4. Fiat Regata. Nice clean lines, always have a soft spot for them as it was one of the cars that I learnt to drive in.



5. Renault Espace. Rentroduced the MPV to Europe in a big way.



6. Austin Montego. Liked these too, turbo version here was introduced later, supposed to be very fast but with lethal turbo lag. Still, you can't have everything.



7. SAAB 9000. Still okks very fresh.



8. Toyota Carina. For the middle manager and diesels for the succesful farmer




9. Toyota MR2. Ferrari looks and Japanese reliability.



and finally.....

10. Ferrari Testarossa. Top trumps classic, Testa v Countach was the source of as many playground arguments as Liverpool v Man Utd, Crockett & Tubbs had one as well which just added to the mystique around it.

No I feel Really old .........:eek:
I remember every one of them. An old boss of mine got a Renault 25,the fancy one gts I think. Beautiful car with 25 on the plate. Car looked like Captain Kirk belonged in it.

kev1.3s

Thema and 9000 were practically the same but still can't believe they are 30! Had the pleasure of prodding about in a thema recently and it would put most new cars to shame.

Anan1

kev1.3s wrote: »

Thema and 9000 were practically the same but still can't believe they are 30! Had the pleasure of prodding about in a thema recently and it would put most new cars to shame.

There was the Alfa 164 too, although from memory that only arrived in '88.

Red Kev

Four cars on the one platform....

SAAB 9000 1984
Lancia Thema 1984
Alfa 164 1987
FIAT Croma 1985

SAAB and Alfa still look very fresh today, had a 164 Cloverleaf (230 Bhp, 4WD) in Germany years ago, brilliant car.

hi5

Lots of stuff with 5 speed gearboxes and fuel injection now:)

quattro777

Audi 200 turbo.

Anan1

quattro777 wrote: »

Audi 200 turbo.

I had one of them in '96-97, same colour and all!

B2AUDI80

id like to get hold of an early small bumper mk2 gti :rolleyes:

Carson10

Wonder if hyacinth bouquet from Keeping up Appearances still has her one or did Richard trade it in??

Scortho

Red Kev wrote: »

Four cars on the one platform....

SAAB 9000 1984
Lancia Thema 1984
Alfa 164 1987
FIAT Croma 1985

SAAB and Alfa still look very fresh today, had a 164 Cloverleaf (230 Bhp, 4WD) in Germany years ago, brilliant car.

164 qv? Wow! Do tell me more!

mike65

I still have a lust for a R25 Bacara, which almost certainly a sign of madness.

corkrobinhood

I have one of those old Carina II's,1.6 GL,mines a 1987 model,last of that shape made,could do with a few parts for it if anyone knew of one lying up somewhere!

Saabturbonut

for me , nothing beats a saab 900 turbo

Red Kev

Scortho wrote: »

164 qv? Wow! Do tell me more!

Had a 5 year old one in the mid 90's. They were cheap enough as the depreciation in Germany is high due to Germans not liking their unreliable rep. Along with this the big 2nd hand car buyers: the East Europeans, Africans and Arabs have no real interest in Alfa's so for the money it's a fast car.

I was looking for something bigger, had just sold a 911 as my body was sore after a serious car accident, I needed some thing more comfortable and saw the Alfa at a dealership going cheap. Traded the 911 in for that as the dealer wanted it as a private car and got some cash my way. Fast, excellent roadholding especially in the wet, great gearbox, well balanced, very good AWD system for the time. They look good IMO, great sound, easy to do basic service on and wear and tear parts were easily available and cheap at the time. I'd highly recommend one.

I'm kind of looking at getting another but it'll have to be imported and I might get shafted on the VRT. I had it for 8-10 months, was 100% reliable in the time I had it. Hard on tyres but I drove it very hard. BTW it'll eat a Lancia Thema 8.32, the engine in the Alfa is actually more powerful as the Lancia's engine is detuned. Seems they suffered from bad torque steer.

Myself and the GF spent 10 days in Switzerland Italy and Austria, did every major pass or mountain road, Grossglockner, Stevio, Furka etc etc, did a total of 2500 km motorway, 1000 good national roads and about 1500 mountain roads. Brand new front tyres were gone after that, needed new brake pads and the rear tyres were 50% gone. But it was well worth the money.

Car was red over black, was still on the road in 2011 and still looked good, to be fair it was always very well maintained. The friend I sold it to sold it to his brother. Looked just like this one here:

Kaiser D

I'd really like to pick up another Austin 1100 or 1300 VDP. Or a Wolseley variant.

I know of a lovely 69 Wolseley MK2 auto going for a song, I've to keep myself from buying

jochenstacker

Anyone fancy a Lada?

Mully_2011

The x70 series Mark 2/Chaser/Cressida.The estate was produced until 1997 in Japan as a service van annd the Chaser had a 2.0 inline 6 twin turbo the same engine (In N\A form with vvti) would later be used by Toyota in the is200

Kaiser D

Kaiser D wrote: »

I'd really like to pick up another Austin 1100 or 1300 VDP. Or a Wolseley variant.

I know of a lovely 69 Wolseley MK2 auto going for a song, I've to keep myself from buying

...and I have gone and done it!

macplaxton

Kaiser D wrote: »

...and I have gone and done it!

Good man!

(I've got a wee pocket book here if you want it. PM you're name/address and I'll stick it in the post when I see it again.)

Flesh Gorden

Would the insurance companies try and push the 'mass produced and not rare enough' clause with some of these 80's cars?

Or does that become less of an issue when they hit the 30 year mark?

In another few years, I'd be very interested in a W124 for occasional use as the older I get, the more I long to become an organ donor motorcyclist.

Plus my own current wagon is getting closer to the 20 year mark to satisfy the first need for classic insurance, but would never be rare enough to be considered a classic.
Which is a shame considering the mechanical shape it's in and the ease to keep it in top shape it is right now.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

Would the insurance companies try and push the 'mass produced and not rare enough' clause with some of these 80's cars?

Or does that become less of an issue when they hit the 30 year mark?

In another few years, I'd be very interested in a W124 for occasional use as the older I get, the more I long to become an organ donor motorcyclist.

Plus my own current wagon is getting closer to the 20 year mark to satisfy the first need for classic insurance, but would never be rare enough to be considered a classic.
Which is a shame considering the mechanical shape it's in and the ease to keep it in top shape it is right now.

I've a 95 Carina E on classic insurance. Not heard of the clause referenced above :pac:

Flesh Gorden

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I've a 95 Carina E on classic insurance. Not heard of the clause referenced above :pac:

Out of curiosity who are you with?

I think it might have been the .pdf version of Axa's terms I read the line about a car having to be rare and not mass produced.

Although I'd say near the end of the month when they're looking to meet their quotas, they'd insure anything over the phone.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

Out of curiosity who are you with?

I think it might have been the .pdf version of Axa's terms I read the line about a car having to be rare and not mass produced.

Although I'd say near the end of the month when they're looking to meet their quotas, they'd insure anything over the phone.

Campions - a broker, they have me insured on a classic policy on both my truck and the carina.

They were willing to insure me on a 1989 >3.5 ton ford F350 and were the only company willing to do so after weeks of phoning around. So even when I ended up not getting the truck I gave them my business anyway.

swarlb

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I've a 95 Carina E on classic insurance. Not heard of the clause referenced above :pac:

1995 !!! I run a 1994 Iveco as a recovery truck, could I claim 'Classic Insurance' on it. You don't see too many 1994 trucks around these days.
What is the criteria for classic insurance anyway, is it the year, the model, mileage ???

Cleveland Hot Pocket

swarlb wrote: »

1995 !!! I run a 1994 Iveco as a recovery truck, could I claim 'Classic Insurance' on it. You don't see too many 1994 trucks around these days.
What is the criteria for classic insurance anyway, is it the year, the model, mileage ???

For me with my broker it seems to be just the year, 15 years old and above.
My carina has 422k miles up on her now, so it can't be the miles on the car.

You can't get commercial use on a classic policy though, in my experience.

homingbird

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

For me with my broker it seems to be just the year, 15 years old and above.
My carina has 422k miles up on her now, so it can't be the miles on the car.

You can't get commercial use on a classic policy though, in my experience.

Yes you can get commercial insurance on a classic policy ring fbd on 1890 586 586

http://irishvintage.net/rates

Cleveland Hot Pocket

homingbird wrote: »

Yes you can get commercial insurance on a classic policy ring fbd on 1890 586 586

http://irishvintage.net/rates

I did, they were willing to give me insurance on a commercial vehicle but for vintage & SDP only - ie no commercial use.
I went through pretty much every insurer and broker in the country - from Autoline to Zurich - that offered classic insurance but could not get commercial classic insurance.
I now have a commercial vehicle insured on a private classic policy.

Also - a relevant point - you cannot use any vehicle commercially that has vintage/classic tax.

swarlb

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

For me with my broker it seems to be just the year, 15 years old and above.
My carina has 422k miles up on her now, so it can't be the miles on the car.

You can't get commercial use on a classic policy though, in my experience.

I meant was there a limit on the amount of miles per year usage.
So, your broker classified a car 15 years or older as 'classic', or just provides insurance cover at a lower rate. In other words, they want your money, where most insurance companies would put a loading on an older car (for obvious reasons).
It kinda puts a fine line between an 'old' car, and a 'classic' car. Is there an agreed valuation situation, how do they stand on body panels being no longer available in the event of an accident, or airbag deployment.
Most insurance companies will write off a 2000 model car as being 'uneconomical to repair'. So would they consider a car covered (1999) under a classic policy as being worth repairing, because its a classic, and therefore should be saved and used again.
What constitutes a 'classic', a 1999 Golf, a 1999 Fiat Punto, a 1999 Hyundai ???

Cleveland Hot Pocket

swarlb wrote: »

I meant was there a limit on the amount of miles per year usage.
So, your broker classified a car 15 years or older as 'classic', or just provides insurance cover at a lower rate. In other words, they want your money, where most insurance companies would put a loading on an older car (for obvious reasons).
It kinda puts a fine line between an 'old' car, and a 'classic' car. Is there an agreed valuation situation, how do they stand on body panels being no longer available in the event of an accident, or airbag deployment.
Most insurance companies will write off a 2000 model car as being 'uneconomical to repair'. So would they consider a car covered (1999) under a classic policy as being worth repairing, because its a classic, and therefore should be saved and used again.
What constitutes a 'classic', a 1999 Golf, a 1999 Fiat Punto, a 1999 Hyundai ???

Yup, mileage limit of 5200 miles per vehicle.
The policy states "...covered for vintage use, travelling to and from vintage events, and SDP"
Most classic policies are 3rd party only, not fully comp, so there is no valuation issue.

swarlb

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Yup, mileage limit of 5200 miles per vehicle.
The policy states "...covered for vintage use, travelling to and from vintage events, and SDP"
Most classic policies are 3rd party only, not fully comp, so there is no valuation issue.

That's fair enough, but how do they police such a deal. If I were to go in with my aforementioned 1999 Fiat Punto, and drive it from home to work every day (a distance of almost 10 miles there and back, and the odd spin to the shops at the weekend (and a local car show every now and again). There is little or no difference between a 1999 Punto (188 model) and a 2004 Punto. It strikes me as a bit rich, that there is a classic definition for road tax, NCT, and insurance. Would the Terenure Car show accept a 1999 Fiat Punto as a classic ?? Would any car show accept it ????

Cleveland Hot Pocket

swarlb wrote: »

That's fair enough, but how do they police such a deal. If I were to go in with my aforementioned 1999 Fiat Punto, and drive it from home to work every day (a distance of almost 10 miles there and back, and the odd spin to the shops at the weekend (and a local car show every now and again). There is little or no difference between a 1999 Punto (188 model) and a 2004 Punto. It strikes me as a bit rich, that there is a classic definition for road tax, NCT, and insurance. Would the Terenure Car show accept a 1999 Fiat Punto as a classic ?? Would any car show accept it ????

Not sure how it is policed tbh. I assume they will ask for NCT certs, or just rely on honesty?

TBH I wouldn't really bring the carina to a classic event other than a boards/(or1or2 other fora that I use) event.
But I would not really be driving it more than 5k per year anyway.

Nekarsulm

Just found this thread. I had a montego back in the early 90's. 1.6 petrol CZS 702, now long crushed I suppose. Great tank of a car. Brother in law crashed into me at a junction once from behind. Wrote off his Ascona (company car!) and left almost no visible damage to the Montego. He shortened the wheelbase a bit though, door hard to open. Local body shop's body dozer not able to pull it out, needed a second ram attached. Hard in fuel, however.

Today just bought a Mk2Jetta Pacific diesel. A car I had back im mid 90's also, and should not have sold. The one I bought is on Done deal at the moment, in Cavan. Spaceship miles, but driving nicely.

For less than asked price, naturally!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Just found this thread. I had a montego back in the early 90's. 1.6 petrol CZS 702, now long crushed I suppose. Great tank of a car. Brother in law crashed into me at a junction once from behind. Wrote off his Ascona (company car!) and left almost no visible damage to the Montego. He shortened the wheelbase a bit though, door hard to open. Local body shop's body dozer not able to pull it out, needed a second ram attached. Hard in fuel, however.

Today just bought a Mk2Jetta Pacific diesel. A car I had back im mid 90's also, and should not have sold. The one I bought is on Done deal at the moment, in Cavan. Spaceship miles, but driving nicely.

For less than asked price, naturally!

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mk2-jetta-quick-sale/5989766

This one? Well wear with it.
I always liked those n/a daysul VWs. Had my eye on a mk2 golf but missed out.

250k miles shur she's only warmed up :P

Nekarsulm

9 previous owners, and a quarter million miles. What could possibly go wrong ?

Not forgetting the tow bar!

Been 12years since I was in one. They feel small and basic compared to the 04 Passat I drive everyday.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Nekarsulm wrote: »

9 previous owners, and a quarter million miles. What could possibly go wrong ?

Been 12years since I was in one. They feel small and basic compared to the 04 Passat I drive everyday.

I'd be more concerned about the owners than the miles.
My carina had 420k miles and 1 owner when I bought it. Certainly feels small basic and asthmatically underpowered compared to a modern diesel.
Then again, you certainly don't buy a n/a daysul based on 0-60 times :P

Nekarsulm

Three of them were all the same family, and the last fellow has is 18 months and just bought a 99 Passat cause he wanted something with airbags (he says)

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Sounds like you've done your research anyway :pac:

Nekarsulm

Next need a set of 15 inch BBS of a Golf gti. and a few trim pieces, and the mother and father of a cleaning.

Hard to beat Black and Alloys, I think.

Bigus

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Three of them were all the same family, and the last fellow has is 18 months and just bought a 99 Passat cause he wanted something with airbags (he says)

Great move ! On his part buying a 99 passat for safety.


15 year old Airbags , they'd be as much use as Joan Rivers saggy wrinkled tits in a head on :eek:

Bigus

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Next need a set of 15 inch BBS of a Golf gti. and a few trim pieces, and the mother and father of a cleaning.

Hard to beat Black and Alloys, I think.

Set of refurbed alloys for sale in the sticky above I think.

GG66

VW Scirocco Storm MK2

neverweaken

GG66 wrote: »

VW Scirocco Storm MK2

I have a blue scirocco storm Im putting up for sale in the next week, will post in the for sale thread when I advertise it.

jimgoose

The Triumph Acclaim, which I always considered a handsome little three-box, went out of production in 1984:

kdevitt

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Most classic policies are 3rd party only, not fully comp, so there is no valuation issue.

First Ireland are fully comp with market value. The Allianz policy through Autoline is fully comp with agreed value.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

kdevitt wrote: »

First Ireland are fully comp with market value. The Allianz policy through Autoline is fully comp with agreed value.

First Ireland were 3 times what I got insured for though, you get what you pay for but I couldnt justify 600 Euro as a second insurance policy. That's nearly what I pay on the daily.

kdevitt

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

First Ireland were 3 times what I got insured for though, you get what you pay for but I couldnt justify 600 Euro as a second insurance policy. That's nearly what I pay on the daily.

325 with First Ireland (2 cars 2000 miles). Autoline were 275 (2 cars 3000 miles).

Doesn't sound like First Ireland quoted you on a classic policy, they're premiums are more or less fixed. Regardless, my point is that most policies are not just TP.

Anyway - don't want to take the thread off topic, apologies!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

kdevitt wrote: »

325 with First Ireland (2 cars 2000 miles). Autoline were 275 (2 cars 3000 miles).

Doesn't sound like First Ireland quoted you on a classic policy, they're premiums are more or less fixed. Regardless, my point is that most policies are not just TP.

Anyway - don't want to take the thread off topic, apologies!

Ah, I wanted a 10,000 mile policy for two cars. OK that clears that up

galwaytt

jimgoose wrote: »

The Triumph Acclaim, which I always considered a handsome little three-box, went out of production in 1984:

Honda Ballade so

and for sauce: Trio-matic !!