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Why do the offies close at 10?

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    #32
    regress
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭regress


    If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

    Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

    Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.


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    #33
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    regress wrote: »
    If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

    Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

    Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.

    Eh you can purchase carrots and parsnips after 10.

    No it doesn't, what nonsense.


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    #34
    regress
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭regress


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Eh you can purchase carrots and parsnips after 10.

    No it doesn't, what nonsense.

    Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

    The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
    For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
    I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.


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    #35
    hfallada
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    I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.


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    #36
    Sunnyisland
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    hfallada wrote: »
    I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.

    Only 3% of Irish people drink daily ??


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    #37
    thee glitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Chances are that you'll find a Chinese restaurant that will sell alcohol out of hours. Not naming places, but there was always one in Galway that was dubbed the Winese. They always seemed to make a tidy profit.

    I'm not sure that place is still open, or that you can still get that :(
    After 10, it looked like the food was just a side business they were
    running. I don't see what harm they were doing. Bring back late-night wine.


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    #38
    mawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭mawk


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Wot? No Atari Dutch Gold?

    Not Atari Jaeger?


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    #39
    Tin Foil Hat
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    hfallada wrote: »
    I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.

    Same here. It's a pain in the arse if you're out early shopping for a BBQ or a dinner. I've almost never been stuck for buying alcohol late in the evening.
    realies wrote: »
    Only 3% of Irish people drink daily ??

    Sounds entirely plausible to me. I don't know anyone who drinks daily. I do see the same one or two old men always parked at the bar in a pub where I often go for lunch. But that's it.
    Irish drinking levels ar around the level of the European average. But, to listen to the way politicians, media and self-serving finger-wagging groups talk down to us, you'd swear the full 4 million of us are rat-arsed 24/7.


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    #40
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    regress wrote: »
    Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

    The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
    For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
    I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.

    So the rest of the population should suffer because some people have no self control.

    I don't really care about it although a couple of times I would have liked to have been able to purchase alcohol after 10pm but I should certainly have the option to do so.


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    #41
    shruikan2553
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    regress wrote: »
    If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

    Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

    Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.

    I live near a 24 hour tesco so as long as it is in stock I can buy whatever I want except for the alcohol sitting there already. People with alcohol problems are still free to go to a pub. We dont limit the sale of fast food when there is meant to be a rising obesity problem.


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    #42
    anncoates
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    Anything about the publican lobby annoys me on principle but it's rare that the earlier closing time inconveniences me to be fair.


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    #43
    Dravokivich
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    regress wrote: »
    Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

    The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
    For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
    I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.

    The issue would be more problematic if people hoarded in advance, as opposed to purchase leisurly every so often.

    If there is an issue with alcoholism amongst some people, preventing those who dont have the issue, does nothing for those who do.


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    #44
    Femme_Fatale
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    "Nanny state" is one of those flogged-to-death (and sometimes misused) phrases like begrudgery, banana republic, "You need a licence for a dog and not for a child"... still gets loads of thanks though.

    The publicans-having-political-influence reasoning seems the strongest likelihood IMO.


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    #45
    Days 298
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    "Nanny state" is one of those flogged-to-death (and sometimes misused) phrases like begrudgery, banana republic, "You need a licence for a dog and not for a child"... still gets loads of thanks though.

    The publicans-having-political-influence reasoning seems the strongest likelihood IMO.

    When the state decides that adults cant buy drink after 10pm they are taking the position of a Nanny.

    But its a Nanny that can be paid off with some brown envelopes. Pubs should have been made close at the same time as offies if reducing drinking was the aim. Ask any 16/17 year old and theyll tell you the pub that will serve them.


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    #46
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Where's me civil liberties?

    Anyone?


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    #47
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    I seen a middle aged man race into the local shop beside me at 10.01pm on Jan 31st and he was expected to either go home and forget about celebrating the new year with the alcohol he intended to buy or go to a packed bar or club!! I goaded him that he should be ashamed of himself trying to buy a drink at 1 minute past 10 on new years eve, what the hell was he thinking and that he should just go home, jump into bed and prepare for the 52 weeks of work and paying taxes ahead of him!!

    The whole shop were in stitches but stopped when i pointed out that they're really laughing at themselves cos we afforded the government the scope to close the off-licences an hour earlier


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    #48
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    renegademaster wrote: »
    I seen a middle aged man race into the local shop beside me at 10.01pm on Jan 31st and he was expected to either go home and forget about celebrating the new year with the alcohol he intended to buy or go to a packed bar or club!! I goaded him that he should be ashamed of himself trying to buy a drink at 1 minute past 10 on new years eve, what the hell was he thinking and that he should just go home, jump into bed and prepare for the 52 weeks of work and paying taxes ahead of him!!

    The whole shop were in stitches but stopped when i pointed out that they're really laughing at themselves cos we afforded the government the scope to close the off-licences an hour earlier
    Obvious question being: why go in at 10.01 instead of 9.55?

    How did "we" afford the government the scope?


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    #49
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Obvious question being: why go in at 10.01 instead of 9.55?

    How did "we" afford the government the scope?

    because that's the time he got to the shop!! it's not like he sat outside the shop from 9.55 and decided to go in after 10pm like!

    we all afforded the government the scope to close the offys and protect their pub profits by doing damn all about it after they changed the times.

    We're still accepting 2.30am club closing times, pubs closing the same times therefore wrecking clubs business.

    We allow it all by accepting it


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    #50
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    How can "we" stop it? I'm assuming you know the answer.

    And that man knew for a while that he would be having drinks at home on NYE, he knew the office-licence closes at 10pm. How it's not his fault for being late that he couldn't buy drink is beyond me...


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    #51
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    renegademaster wrote: »
    because that's the time he got to the shop!! it's not like he sat outside the shop from 9.55 and decided to go in after 10pm like!

    we all afforded the government the scope to close the offys and protect their pub profits by doing damn all about it after they changed the times.

    We're still accepting 2.30am club closing times, pubs closing the same times therefore wrecking clubs business.

    We allow it all by accepting it


    What protests have you organised and how many showed up?


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    #52
    P_1
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    How can "we" stop it? I'm assuming you know the answer.

    And that man knew for a while that he would be having drinks at home on NYE, he knew the office-licence closes at 10pm. How it's not his fault for being late that he couldn't buy drink is beyond me...

    Semi serious answer...

    Presumably by making it an issue when politicos knock on the doors, getting it into the press that a majority aren't happy about it etc...

    I'd imagine its too well ingrained at this stage though, hasn't it been that way for about 6/7 years now?


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    #53
    Tin Foil Hat
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    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    How can "we" stop it? I'm assuming you know the answer.

    And that man knew for a while that he would be having drinks at home on NYE, he knew the office-licence closes at 10pm. How it's not his fault for being late that he couldn't buy drink is beyond me...

    This kind of nonsense can be used to justify almost anything. "Here are the pointlessly restrictive opening times and, if you can't work around them, then you're an idiot and the rule is therefore justified".
    There is absolutely no reason why a grown man shouldn't be allowed to buy alcohol at 10.05 from an offie - especially when he is allowed to buy it from the pub next door.


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    #54
    anncoates
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    renegademaster wrote: »
    I goaded him that he should be ashamed of himself trying to buy a drink at 1 minute past 10 on new years eve, what the hell was he thinking and that he should just go home, jump into bed and prepare for the 52 weeks of work and paying taxes ahead of him!!

    The whole shop were in stitches but stopped when i pointed out that they're really laughing at themselves cos we afforded the government the scope to close the off-licences an hour earlier

    Did he give you a slap?

    I presume he was tempted.


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    #55
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    anncoates wrote: »
    Did he give you a slap?

    I presume he was tempted.

    why would he ffs? it was a bit of craic, the whole place was laughing, including him but the irony was that we are all to blame for the stupid closing timers


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    #56
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    kneemos wrote: »
    What protests have you organised and how many showed up?

    ah this old chestnut, i've organised plenty but fcuk all have showed up, this is why the government have and will continue to do what suits them and the people be damned


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    #57
    anncoates
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    renegademaster wrote: »
    but the irony was that we are all to blame for the stupid closing timers

    including yourself ?


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    #58
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    anncoates wrote: »
    including yourself ?

    I said we didn't i!! I have protested on many issues including club closing times so it's not like i just blindly accept every government decision but i can laugh at myself


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    #59
    SpaceTime
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    simple : publicans in Ireland hold huge sway over political parties. FF "The Publican Party" in particular.


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    #60
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,019 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Cyber Ghost wrote: »
    i remember they closed at 11 and a few years ago then changed it to 10pm?

    What on earth for?
    It's bloody annoying.
    apparently it was to "curb binge drinking" for which it has been a fantastic success, oh wait no, come to think of it, it has been a failure

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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    #61
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    renegademaster wrote: »
    ah this old chestnut, i've organised plenty but fcuk all have showed up, this is why the government have and will continue to do what suits them and the people be damned

    We get the politicians we deserve I suppose.
    What to do?

    Whaat to do?


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