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Why do the offies close at 10?

  • 12-01-2014 1:54am
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭


    i remember they closed at 11 and a few years ago then changed it to 10pm?

    What on earth for?
    It's bloody annoying.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Because we live in a nanny state and we can't be trusted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Because the Nanny State say so. It also stops underage drinking 100%, amazingly effective.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    To give the pubs that do a lock in a chance!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    Same reason Michael McDowell's cafe bar legislation got shelved - there are far too many publicans in the Dáil.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Because stupid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    To annoy you.

    or
    The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

    or
    Nanny state rabble rabble

    or
    I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

    or
    Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward and stupid.

    or
    Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

    or
    Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


    Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    If they wanted to stop underage drinking, you would think they would close them the same time as school finishes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Because stupid.

    Carlos - alta bohne! Are you at the cooking Sherry again. I don't understand your staccato like pronouncement :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    To annoy you.

    or
    The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

    or
    Nanny state rabble rabble

    or
    I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

    or
    Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward.

    or
    Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

    or
    Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


    Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.

    Wot? No Atari Dutch Gold?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Cheers. Missed that one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    i remember they closed at 11 and a few years ago then changed it to 10pm?

    What on earth for?
    It's bloody annoying.

    They used to be open the same as pub hours.

    If I recall correctly the official reason for closing them at 10pm was to combat underage drinking. Everyone knows that underage drinkers only rise from slumber at 10pm, so the government decided to cut them off at the pass.

    Thankfully, since then underage drinking has been eradicated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    To annoy you.

    or
    The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

    or
    Nanny state rabble rabble

    or
    I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

    or
    Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward and stupid.

    or
    Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

    or
    Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


    Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.

    It would appear that you agree with the limited licencing laws?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭ThirdMan


    Because if they didn't close at 10 we'd drink too much. My local off license is only open for 9 hours. THANK GOD. I don't want to lose my job, wife, children and other stuff that is valuable to society and/or The Church NSFW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    ThirdMan wrote: »
    Because if they didn't close at 10 we'd drink too much. My local off license is only open for 9 hours. THANK GOD. I don't want to lose my job, wife, children and other stuff that is valuable to society and/or The Church NSFW.

    Just leave them at home when you go drinking, problem solved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Turpentine wrote: »
    It would appear that you agree with the limited licencing laws?
    I don't agree or disagree with the law. I've just seen enough of these threads to know the cycle of posts that'll be repeated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    I don't agree or disagree with the law. It just has no effect whatsoever on my day-to-day life and i've seen enough of these threads to know the cycle of posts that'll be repeated.


    It just appears that you are belittling any legitimate complaint that someone may have against it. If you've no dog in the race why comment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    I'd say these days drug dealers don't even bother clocking on till around 10PM.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭Cyber Ghost


    it sucks cause the last bus home for me is at 11 and I always used hit the offie at 10.50 to buy a few gatts for the journey but now I can't :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    The Irish law was brought around the same time as the UK one (also 10pm), its a buying spree there just before 10pm in all the supermarkets over there.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭MonaPizza


    You can buy cigarettes 24/7 and these are the things that most stuffed shirts want banned outright.

    Beggars belief.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    MonaPizza wrote: »
    You can buy cigarettes 24/7 and these are the things that most stuffed shirts want banned outright.

    Beggars belief.

    They can't really use the argument that stopping the sale of cigarettes after 10pm would curb underage smoking, because that would be stupid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    What is the official reason for such a thing? It cant really be to stop underage drinking. To prevent than they would be better off only allowing them to open AFTER 10pm, not before.Every time teenagers have asked me to buy them alcohol it has been a saturday afternoon. They all have to be home for their dinner or mammy would be pissed.

    Only thing I can see it stopping is people going in to buy alcohol after 3 when the nightclubs close but I cant really see it being worth their while opening that late anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    To annoy you.

    or
    The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

    or
    Nanny state rabble rabble

    or
    I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

    or
    Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward and stupid.

    or
    Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

    or
    Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


    Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.

    It's always 3. There's absolutely no counterpoint to retracting my right to purchase an already legal item. None.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    The Irish law was brought around the same time as the UK one (also 10pm), its a buying spree there just before 10pm in all the supermarkets over there.
    I've never had a problem buying a few beers in England, not even at 3am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    I don't know but it's bloody annoying. Friend bailed on me to go fo the cinema last night at the last minute, so I said I'd get a few bottles at home instead.by the time I got to the nearest centra it was too late. I have no idea what the actual goal of closing the off license early is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    smurgen wrote: »
    I don't know but it's bloody annoying. Friend bailed on me to go fo the cinema last night at the last minute, so I said I'd get a few bottles at home instead.by the time I got to the nearest centra it was too late. I have no idea what the actual goal of closing the off license early is.

    This is there then reason, looks a bit laughable IMO especially the last part.

    Justice Minister Dermot Ahern said: “The act places restriction on the availability and visibility of alcohol and provides for more effective enforcement to deal with the consequences of alcohol abuse.

    “The introduction of fixed penalty charges for offences of intoxication in a public place and disorderly conduct will not only lead to more efficient use of public resources but hopefully will also support more responsible behaviour on the part of those concerned,” he said.

    Advertising alcohol and cut-price drink deals will also be regulated. There will be no new licences for early houses under the new legislation.

    More than 50 early houses operate nationwide and the Government scrapped plans late last month to abolish them under the overhaul of the drinking laws.

    The head of the country’s largest chain of dedicated off-licences has claimed the 10pm curfew will lead to mass confusion among consumers and could pose a security risk to staff in convenience stores and garage forecourts who remain open after that time.

    Tom Desmond, managing director of the GWL Group (Galvins Wholesale Limited), who operate the Carry Out franchise, said: “This is going to cause mass confusion among consumers. There is also a security issue here for staff in convenience stores and garage forecourts when late-night consumers are refused alcohol after 10pm.”
    © Irish Examiner Ltd. All rights reserved


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    Chances are that you'll find a Chinese restaurant that will sell alcohol out of hours. Not naming places, but there was always one in Galway that was dubbed the Winese. They always seemed to make a tidy profit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Official reason: to cut down on underage drinking

    Commonly believed reason: to cut down on publicans losing custom


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,661 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Was there something during the Celtic Tiger about people buying crates of the stuff and the whole country resembling a house party?
    Maybe it's just a vintners lobbying victory.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Chances are that you'll find a Chinese restaurant that will sell alcohol out of hours. Not naming places, but there was always one in Galway that was dubbed the Winese. They always seemed to make a tidy profit.

    An Indian restaurant in Limerick would sell a few bottles of beer after 10 pm with your take away if you asked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭regress


    If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

    Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

    Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,289 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    regress wrote: »
    If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

    Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

    Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.

    Eh you can purchase carrots and parsnips after 10.

    No it doesn't, what nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭regress


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Eh you can purchase carrots and parsnips after 10.

    No it doesn't, what nonsense.

    Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

    The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
    For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
    I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭hfallada


    I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    hfallada wrote: »
    I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.

    Only 3% of Irish people drink daily ??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    Chances are that you'll find a Chinese restaurant that will sell alcohol out of hours. Not naming places, but there was always one in Galway that was dubbed the Winese. They always seemed to make a tidy profit.

    I'm not sure that place is still open, or that you can still get that :(
    After 10, it looked like the food was just a side business they were
    running. I don't see what harm they were doing. Bring back late-night wine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭mawk


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Wot? No Atari Dutch Gold?

    Not Atari Jaeger?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    hfallada wrote: »
    I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.

    Same here. It's a pain in the arse if you're out early shopping for a BBQ or a dinner. I've almost never been stuck for buying alcohol late in the evening.
    realies wrote: »
    Only 3% of Irish people drink daily ??

    Sounds entirely plausible to me. I don't know anyone who drinks daily. I do see the same one or two old men always parked at the bar in a pub where I often go for lunch. But that's it.
    Irish drinking levels ar around the level of the European average. But, to listen to the way politicians, media and self-serving finger-wagging groups talk down to us, you'd swear the full 4 million of us are rat-arsed 24/7.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,289 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    regress wrote: »
    Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

    The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
    For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
    I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.

    So the rest of the population should suffer because some people have no self control.

    I don't really care about it although a couple of times I would have liked to have been able to purchase alcohol after 10pm but I should certainly have the option to do so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    regress wrote: »
    If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

    Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

    Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.

    I live near a 24 hour tesco so as long as it is in stock I can buy whatever I want except for the alcohol sitting there already. People with alcohol problems are still free to go to a pub. We dont limit the sale of fast food when there is meant to be a rising obesity problem.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Anything about the publican lobby annoys me on principle but it's rare that the earlier closing time inconveniences me to be fair.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    regress wrote: »
    Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

    The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
    For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
    I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.

    The issue would be more problematic if people hoarded in advance, as opposed to purchase leisurly every so often.

    If there is an issue with alcoholism amongst some people, preventing those who dont have the issue, does nothing for those who do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    "Nanny state" is one of those flogged-to-death (and sometimes misused) phrases like begrudgery, banana republic, "You need a licence for a dog and not for a child"... still gets loads of thanks though.

    The publicans-having-political-influence reasoning seems the strongest likelihood IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Days 298


    "Nanny state" is one of those flogged-to-death (and sometimes misused) phrases like begrudgery, banana republic, "You need a licence for a dog and not for a child"... still gets loads of thanks though.

    The publicans-having-political-influence reasoning seems the strongest likelihood IMO.

    When the state decides that adults cant buy drink after 10pm they are taking the position of a Nanny.

    But its a Nanny that can be paid off with some brown envelopes. Pubs should have been made close at the same time as offies if reducing drinking was the aim. Ask any 16/17 year old and theyll tell you the pub that will serve them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,661 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Where's me civil liberties?

    Anyone?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    I seen a middle aged man race into the local shop beside me at 10.01pm on Jan 31st and he was expected to either go home and forget about celebrating the new year with the alcohol he intended to buy or go to a packed bar or club!! I goaded him that he should be ashamed of himself trying to buy a drink at 1 minute past 10 on new years eve, what the hell was he thinking and that he should just go home, jump into bed and prepare for the 52 weeks of work and paying taxes ahead of him!!

    The whole shop were in stitches but stopped when i pointed out that they're really laughing at themselves cos we afforded the government the scope to close the off-licences an hour earlier


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    I seen a middle aged man race into the local shop beside me at 10.01pm on Jan 31st and he was expected to either go home and forget about celebrating the new year with the alcohol he intended to buy or go to a packed bar or club!! I goaded him that he should be ashamed of himself trying to buy a drink at 1 minute past 10 on new years eve, what the hell was he thinking and that he should just go home, jump into bed and prepare for the 52 weeks of work and paying taxes ahead of him!!

    The whole shop were in stitches but stopped when i pointed out that they're really laughing at themselves cos we afforded the government the scope to close the off-licences an hour earlier
    Obvious question being: why go in at 10.01 instead of 9.55?

    How did "we" afford the government the scope?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Obvious question being: why go in at 10.01 instead of 9.55?

    How did "we" afford the government the scope?

    because that's the time he got to the shop!! it's not like he sat outside the shop from 9.55 and decided to go in after 10pm like!

    we all afforded the government the scope to close the offys and protect their pub profits by doing damn all about it after they changed the times.

    We're still accepting 2.30am club closing times, pubs closing the same times therefore wrecking clubs business.

    We allow it all by accepting it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    How can "we" stop it? I'm assuming you know the answer.

    And that man knew for a while that he would be having drinks at home on NYE, he knew the office-licence closes at 10pm. How it's not his fault for being late that he couldn't buy drink is beyond me...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,661 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    because that's the time he got to the shop!! it's not like he sat outside the shop from 9.55 and decided to go in after 10pm like!

    we all afforded the government the scope to close the offys and protect their pub profits by doing damn all about it after they changed the times.

    We're still accepting 2.30am club closing times, pubs closing the same times therefore wrecking clubs business.

    We allow it all by accepting it


    What protests have you organised and how many showed up?


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