Why do the offies close at 10?

Cyber Ghost

i remember they closed at 11 and a few years ago then changed it to 10pm?

What on earth for?
It's bloody annoying.

Maximus Alexander

Because we live in a nanny state and we can't be trusted.

Captain Chaos

Because the Nanny State say so. It also stops underage drinking 100%, amazingly effective.

WilyCoyote

To give the pubs that do a lock in a chance!

Tin Foil Hat

Same reason Michael McDowell's cafe bar legislation got shelved - there are far too many publicans in the Dáil.

Karl Stein

Because stupid.

partyatmygaff

To annoy you.

or
The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

or
Nanny state rabble rabble

or
I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

or
Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward and stupid.

or
Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

or
Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.

Mrs Garth Brooks

If they wanted to stop underage drinking, you would think they would close them the same time as school finishes.

WilyCoyote

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Because stupid.

Carlos - alta bohne! Are you at the cooking Sherry again. I don't understand your staccato like pronouncement

WilyCoyote

partyatmygaff wrote: »

To annoy you.

or
The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

or
Nanny state rabble rabble

or
I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

or
Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward.

or
Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

or
Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.

Wot? No Atari Dutch Gold?

partyatmygaff

Cheers. Missed that one.

Turpentine

Cyber Ghost wrote: »

i remember they closed at 11 and a few years ago then changed it to 10pm?

What on earth for?
It's bloody annoying.

They used to be open the same as pub hours.

If I recall correctly the official reason for closing them at 10pm was to combat underage drinking. Everyone knows that underage drinkers only rise from slumber at 10pm, so the government decided to cut them off at the pass.

Thankfully, since then underage drinking has been eradicated.

Turpentine

partyatmygaff wrote: »

To annoy you.

or
The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

or
Nanny state rabble rabble

or
I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

or
Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward and stupid.

or
Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

or
Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.

It would appear that you agree with the limited licencing laws?

ThirdMan

Because if they didn't close at 10 we'd drink too much. My local off license is only open for 9 hours. THANK GOD. I don't want to lose my job, wife, children and other stuff that is valuable to society and/or The Church NSFW.

Turpentine

ThirdMan wrote: »

Because if they didn't close at 10 we'd drink too much. My local off license is only open for 9 hours. THANK GOD. I don't want to lose my job, wife, children and other stuff that is valuable to society and/or The Church NSFW.

Just leave them at home when you go drinking, problem solved.

partyatmygaff

Turpentine wrote: »

It would appear that you agree with the limited licencing laws?

I don't agree or disagree with the law. I've just seen enough of these threads to know the cycle of posts that'll be repeated.

Turpentine

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I don't agree or disagree with the law. It just has no effect whatsoever on my day-to-day life and i've seen enough of these threads to know the cycle of posts that'll be repeated.

It just appears that you are belittling any legitimate complaint that someone may have against it. If you've no dog in the race why comment?

El Horseboxo

I'd say these days drug dealers don't even bother clocking on till around 10PM.

Cyber Ghost

it sucks cause the last bus home for me is at 11 and I always used hit the offie at 10.50 to buy a few gatts for the journey but now I can't

bodhrandude

The Irish law was brought around the same time as the UK one (also 10pm), its a buying spree there just before 10pm in all the supermarkets over there.

MonaPizza

You can buy cigarettes 24/7 and these are the things that most stuffed shirts want banned outright.

Beggars belief.

Turpentine

MonaPizza wrote: »

You can buy cigarettes 24/7 and these are the things that most stuffed shirts want banned outright.

Beggars belief.

They can't really use the argument that stopping the sale of cigarettes after 10pm would curb underage smoking, because that would be stupid.

shruikan2553

What is the official reason for such a thing? It cant really be to stop underage drinking. To prevent than they would be better off only allowing them to open AFTER 10pm, not before.Every time teenagers have asked me to buy them alcohol it has been a saturday afternoon. They all have to be home for their dinner or mammy would be pissed.

Only thing I can see it stopping is people going in to buy alcohol after 3 when the nightclubs close but I cant really see it being worth their while opening that late anyway.

_Redzer_

partyatmygaff wrote: »

To annoy you.

or
The TDs and their publican buddies did it.

or
Nanny state rabble rabble

or
I'm an adult, I can buy whatever I want when I want.

or
Country X lets you do Y. We're so backward and stupid.

or
Unless you've a drinking problem, it's not the biggest problem in the world, just get over it.

or
Just buy in advance, like you'd buy anything other than drink from any other shop that closes at or before 10pm.


Think i've got most of the post types covered, take your pick.

It's always 3. There's absolutely no counterpoint to retracting my right to purchase an already legal item. None.

thee glitz

bodhrandude wrote: »

The Irish law was brought around the same time as the UK one (also 10pm), its a buying spree there just before 10pm in all the supermarkets over there.

I've never had a problem buying a few beers in England, not even at 3am.

smurgen

I don't know but it's bloody annoying. Friend bailed on me to go fo the cinema last night at the last minute, so I said I'd get a few bottles at home instead.by the time I got to the nearest centra it was too late. I have no idea what the actual goal of closing the off license early is.

Sunnyisland

smurgen wrote: »

I don't know but it's bloody annoying. Friend bailed on me to go fo the cinema last night at the last minute, so I said I'd get a few bottles at home instead.by the time I got to the nearest centra it was too late. I have no idea what the actual goal of closing the off license early is.

This is there then reason, looks a bit laughable IMO especially the last part.

Justice Minister Dermot Ahern said: “The act places restriction on the availability and visibility of alcohol and provides for more effective enforcement to deal with the consequences of alcohol abuse.

“The introduction of fixed penalty charges for offences of intoxication in a public place and disorderly conduct will not only lead to more efficient use of public resources but hopefully will also support more responsible behaviour on the part of those concerned,” he said.

Advertising alcohol and cut-price drink deals will also be regulated. There will be no new licences for early houses under the new legislation.

More than 50 early houses operate nationwide and the Government scrapped plans late last month to abolish them under the overhaul of the drinking laws.

The head of the country’s largest chain of dedicated off-licences has claimed the 10pm curfew will lead to mass confusion among consumers and could pose a security risk to staff in convenience stores and garage forecourts who remain open after that time.

Tom Desmond, managing director of the GWL Group (Galvins Wholesale Limited), who operate the Carry Out franchise, said: “This is going to cause mass confusion among consumers. There is also a security issue here for staff in convenience stores and garage forecourts when late-night consumers are refused alcohol after 10pm.”
© Irish Examiner Ltd. All rights reserved

Chances are that you'll find a Chinese restaurant that will sell alcohol out of hours. Not naming places, but there was always one in Galway that was dubbed the Winese. They always seemed to make a tidy profit.

P_1

Official reason: to cut down on underage drinking

Commonly believed reason: to cut down on publicans losing custom

kneemos

Was there something during the Celtic Tiger about people buying crates of the stuff and the whole country resembling a house party?
Maybe it's just a vintners lobbying victory.

YFlyer

Deleted User wrote: »

Chances are that you'll find a Chinese restaurant that will sell alcohol out of hours. Not naming places, but there was always one in Galway that was dubbed the Winese. They always seemed to make a tidy profit.

An Indian restaurant in Limerick would sell a few bottles of beer after 10 pm with your take away if you asked.

regress

If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.

mdwexford

regress wrote: »

If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.

Eh you can purchase carrots and parsnips after 10.

No it doesn't, what nonsense.

regress

mdwexford wrote: »

Eh you can purchase carrots and parsnips after 10.

No it doesn't, what nonsense.

Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.

hfallada

I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.

Sunnyisland

hfallada wrote: »

I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.

Only 3% of Irish people drink daily ??

thee glitz

Deleted User wrote: »

Chances are that you'll find a Chinese restaurant that will sell alcohol out of hours. Not naming places, but there was always one in Galway that was dubbed the Winese. They always seemed to make a tidy profit.

I'm not sure that place is still open, or that you can still get that
After 10, it looked like the food was just a side business they were
running. I don't see what harm they were doing. Bring back late-night wine.

mawk

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Wot? No Atari Dutch Gold?

Not Atari Jaeger?

Tin Foil Hat

hfallada wrote: »

I find the fact you can't buy alcohol until 10:30am more annoying. I work in a shop that has a wine license and amount of people picking up groceries and want a bottle of wine but can't buy it until 10:30am. Like only 3% of Irish people drink daily so I can't understand why you can buy a bottler of wine early at 9am.

Same here. It's a pain in the arse if you're out early shopping for a BBQ or a dinner. I've almost never been stuck for buying alcohol late in the evening.

realies wrote: »

Only 3% of Irish people drink daily ??

Sounds entirely plausible to me. I don't know anyone who drinks daily. I do see the same one or two old men always parked at the bar in a pub where I often go for lunch. But that's it.
Irish drinking levels ar around the level of the European average. But, to listen to the way politicians, media and self-serving finger-wagging groups talk down to us, you'd swear the full 4 million of us are rat-arsed 24/7.

mdwexford

regress wrote: »

Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.

So the rest of the population should suffer because some people have no self control.

I don't really care about it although a couple of times I would have liked to have been able to purchase alcohol after 10pm but I should certainly have the option to do so.

shruikan2553

regress wrote: »

If you are unable to buy in advance and store alcohol in your house you may have a problem. Nobody has an issue with being unable to purchase carrots or parsnips after 10:00pm.

Restricting hours during which alcohol can be purchased for home consumption is effective in reducing alcohol problems. It makes it more inconvenient and therefore aides those fighting addiction.Particularly by those that have to immediately drink what they buy.

Of course the "children" arguement is rediculeous and it does also benefit publicans.

I live near a 24 hour tesco so as long as it is in stock I can buy whatever I want except for the alcohol sitting there already. People with alcohol problems are still free to go to a pub. We dont limit the sale of fast food when there is meant to be a rising obesity problem.

anncoates

Anything about the publican lobby annoys me on principle but it's rare that the earlier closing time inconveniences me to be fair.

Dravokivich

regress wrote: »

Yes you can, but if they were not available to purchase after 10pm how many of us would gave an issue with it.

The fact that so many have an issue with being unable to purchase alcohol conveniently after 10:00pm is indicitative of a difficultly that many of those people have with buying in advance and storing alcohol at home.
For those people it may aid self control and remove temptation.
I am generalizing of course but restricting hours to 10:00pm rather than 11:00pm may assist certain people with alcohol problems.

The issue would be more problematic if people hoarded in advance, as opposed to purchase leisurly every so often.

If there is an issue with alcoholism amongst some people, preventing those who dont have the issue, does nothing for those who do.

Femme_Fatale

"Nanny state" is one of those flogged-to-death (and sometimes misused) phrases like begrudgery, banana republic, "You need a licence for a dog and not for a child"... still gets loads of thanks though.

The publicans-having-political-influence reasoning seems the strongest likelihood IMO.

Days 298

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"Nanny state" is one of those flogged-to-death (and sometimes misused) phrases like begrudgery, banana republic, "You need a licence for a dog and not for a child"... still gets loads of thanks though.

The publicans-having-political-influence reasoning seems the strongest likelihood IMO.

When the state decides that adults cant buy drink after 10pm they are taking the position of a Nanny.

But its a Nanny that can be paid off with some brown envelopes. Pubs should have been made close at the same time as offies if reducing drinking was the aim. Ask any 16/17 year old and theyll tell you the pub that will serve them.

kneemos

Where's me civil liberties?

Anyone?

renegademaster

I seen a middle aged man race into the local shop beside me at 10.01pm on Jan 31st and he was expected to either go home and forget about celebrating the new year with the alcohol he intended to buy or go to a packed bar or club!! I goaded him that he should be ashamed of himself trying to buy a drink at 1 minute past 10 on new years eve, what the hell was he thinking and that he should just go home, jump into bed and prepare for the 52 weeks of work and paying taxes ahead of him!!

The whole shop were in stitches but stopped when i pointed out that they're really laughing at themselves cos we afforded the government the scope to close the off-licences an hour earlier

Femme_Fatale

renegademaster wrote: »

I seen a middle aged man race into the local shop beside me at 10.01pm on Jan 31st and he was expected to either go home and forget about celebrating the new year with the alcohol he intended to buy or go to a packed bar or club!! I goaded him that he should be ashamed of himself trying to buy a drink at 1 minute past 10 on new years eve, what the hell was he thinking and that he should just go home, jump into bed and prepare for the 52 weeks of work and paying taxes ahead of him!!

The whole shop were in stitches but stopped when i pointed out that they're really laughing at themselves cos we afforded the government the scope to close the off-licences an hour earlier

Obvious question being: why go in at 10.01 instead of 9.55?

How did "we" afford the government the scope?

renegademaster

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Obvious question being: why go in at 10.01 instead of 9.55?

How did "we" afford the government the scope?

because that's the time he got to the shop!! it's not like he sat outside the shop from 9.55 and decided to go in after 10pm like!

we all afforded the government the scope to close the offys and protect their pub profits by doing damn all about it after they changed the times.

We're still accepting 2.30am club closing times, pubs closing the same times therefore wrecking clubs business.

We allow it all by accepting it

Femme_Fatale

How can "we" stop it? I'm assuming you know the answer.

And that man knew for a while that he would be having drinks at home on NYE, he knew the office-licence closes at 10pm. How it's not his fault for being late that he couldn't buy drink is beyond me...

kneemos

renegademaster wrote: »

because that's the time he got to the shop!! it's not like he sat outside the shop from 9.55 and decided to go in after 10pm like!

we all afforded the government the scope to close the offys and protect their pub profits by doing damn all about it after they changed the times.

We're still accepting 2.30am club closing times, pubs closing the same times therefore wrecking clubs business.

We allow it all by accepting it

What protests have you organised and how many showed up?