Irelands War Dead

losthorizon · 11-01-2014 05:30PM #1

It was just put online in the last few days and its being discussed on other forums on boards but maybe AHers might like to discuss it as well.

Whats really interesting is the amount of people who actually died not just from the larger towns but from all over the place.

As someone from Cork I find it incredible that much more people died in WW1 from Cork than from Belfast. We have an upside down view of history. Sometimes looking at a small town like Bantry or Mallow gives shocking results.

http://imr.inflandersfields.be/search.html

11-01-2014 05:50PM

Over 8,000 people from Dublin died? That's kinda crazy.

Santa Cruz · 11-01-2014 05:57PM

losthorizon wrote: »

It was just put online in the last few days and its being discussed on other forums on boards but maybe AHers might like to discuss it as well.

Whats really interesting is the amount of people who actually died not just from the larger towns but from all over the place.

As someone from Cork I find it incredible that much more people died in WW1 from Cork than from Belfast. We have an upside down view of history. Sometimes looking at a small town like Bantry or Mallow gives shocking results.

http://imr.inflandersfields.be/search.html[/QUOTE]

For a lot of people joining the army was one way to get a job. Between the Boer War and WW1 the British were not involved in any significant military action. Towns like Mallow Fermoy Athlone that had military barracks attracted a high number of recruits because of the tradition of joining up.

Certain people lacking a knowledge of social history will want to play the Shinner card and condemn these people but at that time enlisting was seen as a career choice for many especially in the absence of other employment

Lapin · 11-01-2014 06:03PM

Its great to see them being remembered on this website for all time.

R.I.P. to Ireland's brave war dead.

GideonMcGrane · 11-01-2014 06:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Over 8,000 people from Dublin died? That's kinda crazy.

Sadly they died in the wrong cause.

spank_inferno · 11-01-2014 06:38PM

GideonMcGrane wrote: »

Sadly they died in the wrong cause.

Would you prefer they die for another cause or not die at all?

wazky · 11-01-2014 06:40PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Would you prefer they die for another cause or not die at all?

Well it's fairly certain they were going to die at some stage.

Hello_MrFox · 11-01-2014 06:42PM

They knew what they were signing up for, dying is part of the job for some - even if it is tragic.

GideonMcGrane · 11-01-2014 06:51PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Would you prefer they die for another cause or not die at all?

Odd question.

If they had to die for something it should have been for a good cause, like the freedom of their own country.

kneemos · 11-01-2014 06:54PM

GideonMcGrane wrote: »

Odd question.

If they had to die for something it should have been for a good cause, like the freedom of their own country.

It was for the freedom of their own country?

GideonMcGrane · 11-01-2014 06:54PM

Hello_MrFox wrote: »

They knew what they were signing up for, dying is part of the job for some - even if it is tragic.

Killing was also pat of their job, its funny that they dont tell you how many they killed and maimed.

When you dont like an army you constantly reiterate how many they killed, when you support them you constantly reiterate how many of them died. Its a bit of a con really.

feargale · 11-01-2014 06:56PM

spank_inferno wrote: »

Would you prefer they die for another cause or not die at all?

Not die at all.

kneemos · 11-01-2014 07:00PM

GideonMcGrane wrote: »

Killing was also pat of their job, its funny that they dont tell you how many they killed and maimed.

When you dont like an army you constantly reiterate how many they killed, when you support them you constantly reiterate how many of them died. Its a bit of a con really.

Not really.It's usually the aggressor that are the anti hero's

Standard Toaster · 11-01-2014 07:07PM

Just did a few searches there, all came back with 3 or more names. 49,000 approx in all...

No doubt about it, this is back when men were men. Men are just pussys now.

RIP

losthorizon · 11-01-2014 07:07PM

GideonMcGrane wrote: »

Odd question.

If they had to die for something it should have been for a good cause, like the freedom of their own country.

Well, many had joined up to get Home rule.

Funnily enough I have just finished reading a book about WW1. The amount the French lost was truly shocking. When you read about the casualties and the conditions you understand why the Germans overran them so easily in WW2 (lthough they still held out two weeks after Dunkirk).

poundapunnet · 11-01-2014 07:11PM

GideonMcGrane wrote: »

Odd question.

If they had to die for something it should have been for a good cause, like the freedom of their own country.

Oh for god's sake. Get over it.

MonsterCookie · 11-01-2014 07:57PM

poundapunnet wrote: »

Oh for god's sake. Get over it.

+10
I'm actually quite proud of the sacrifices made by our own war heroes and it's great to see them being remembered in this way.

For me, it reflects just how important Ireland and Britain are to each other, and how rich a history we share.

feargale · 11-01-2014 08:33PM

What were the causes of WWI?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-01-2014 08:40PM

GideonMcGrane wrote: »

Odd question.

If they had to die for something it should have been for a good cause, like the freedom of their own country.

As someone whose uncle was among the dead, I can assure you that there was little or no talk of a struggle for Irish freedom in 1914. Far from it in fact. To these men
WW1 was a good cause. Please do not besmirch their memory with your flawed hindsight.

WoollyRedHat · 11-01-2014 08:42PM

Any good books on the subject?

Sunnyisland · 11-01-2014 08:43PM

RIP to them all, many went of never to return.

Inquitus · 11-01-2014 08:46PM

If you search Dublin it pulls in all the English from the Royal Dublin Fusileers, if you search for Ireland (place of birth) you only get @1600

LordSutch · 11-01-2014 08:49PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

+10
I'm actually quite proud of the sacrifices made by our own war heroes and it's great to see them being remembered in this way.

For me, it reflects just how important Ireland and Britain are to each other, and how rich a history we share.

Nice to seen another poster who thinks the sme way I do. Sadly not too many of us around on After hours though.

Regarding the shocking figure of 49.000 Irish dead, I always think of the Aviva stadium on Lansdowne Road filled to capicity = that's how many Irish soldiers died in the Great War. Shocking & very sobering when you really think about the numbers.

http://cdn.actionrecon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/remembrance-day-flanders-fields-afp.jpg

Alias G · 11-01-2014 08:52PM

poundapunnet wrote: »

Oh for god's sake. Get over it.

Simply because someone holds an alternative view to you, doesn't mean they need to get over anything. While it is worthwhile remembering the sacrifices if these men made, they were ultimately pawns to the imperial powers. There was no right or wrong side in wwi. It was an inevitable consequence of foreign relations of the time.

Sunnyisland · 11-01-2014 08:52PM

It's not just the men & women of the WW that should be remembered.

Fusiliers' Arch is a monument which forms part of the Grafton Street entrance to St Stephen's Green park, in Dublin, Ireland. Erected in 1907, it was dedicated to the officers, non-commissioned officers and enlisted men of the Royal Dublin Fusiliers who fought and died in the Second Boer War (1899-1902).

feargale · 11-01-2014 08:58PM

realies wrote: »

RIP to them all, many went of never to return.

Yes, RIP to them all, including my grandfather who survived service in France in WWI to die in old age. Now, once again please, what were the causes of WWI?

GoldenLight · 11-01-2014 08:58PM

For a lot of people joining the army was one way to get a job. Between the Boer War and WW1 the British were not involved in any significant military action. Towns like Mallow Fermoy Athlone that had military barracks attracted a high number of recruits because of the tradition of joining up.

Certain people lacking a knowledge of social history will want to play the Shinner card and condemn these people but at that time enlisting was seen as a career choice for many especially in the absence of other employment

Also a lot of people joined for adventure and to see the world, the youth of 1910's had the same hopes and dreams as the youth of today. My Grandfather joined up at 16 in 1912 and thankfully left in 1920, to join the Irish army until 1967. I know the reason he joined, as did his brothers was for a job, adventure and to see the world. I prity sure he wasn't happy with the world he saw though.

RIP to does lost, as during WWI the Irish (as well as the Welsh and Scotish, and any other country owned by the empire) where considered mainly cannon fodder, as was consider the norm up to that point. There is a reason it is called "WWI" or "the great war" and they aren't generally positive reasons.

poundapunnet · 11-01-2014 08:59PM

Alias G wrote: »

Simply because someone holds an alternative view to you, doesn't mean they need to get over anything. While it is worthwhile remembering the sacrifices if these men made, they were ultimately pawns to the imperial powers. There was no right or wrong side in wwi. It was an inevitable consequence of foreign relations of the time.

A thread to point out how many Irish people died in the first world war, and they have to bring up "They died for the wrong reason, I wish they'd died achieving something that was achieved anyway less than ten years later, which was long before I was even born".

If this was a thread about the history of the war of Independence I wouldn't give out to someone for holding an opposing view, but shoehorning it into this thread? Yes, they need to get over it.

And I agree with your comments about ww1, that's got nothing to do with it.

Sunnyisland · 11-01-2014 09:02PM

feargale wrote: »

Yes, RIP to them all, including my grandfather who survived service in France in WWI to die in old age. Now, once again please, what were the causes of WWI?

Can you not google it yourself or start your own thread on the reasons why WW1 started, This thread is about Irishmen & women who died and have for to long been forgotten by everyone.well most.

Lapin · 11-01-2014 09:12PM

feargale wrote: »

What were the causes of WWI?

There were many, but principally they were the quest by the major European powers in their desire to extend their empires.

The rise of Nationalism in the early 20th century.

British and French concern over the rapid rise of the German military (especially her navy) since reunification.

The opportunity for the ailing Austria / Hungarian Empire to reassert its dominance by compelling Serbia to an ultimatum of surrender following the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo. This was the immediate cause. The others are some of the origins in the build up to the outbreak.

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Any good books on the subject?

On the war in general or the involvement of Irishmen and women?

wendell borton · 11-01-2014 09:19PM

Hello_MrFox wrote: »

They knew what they were signing up for, dying is part of the job for some - even if it is tragic.

I don't think most didn't know what they they were signing up for. WW 1 was a war unlike anything that came before then .

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