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bogman_bass · 09-01-2014 11:55AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

It is not just bulls under pressure. There is a few farmers around that specialise in super heavyweights. Bullocks killing in excess of 450kgsDW. One of these at present has a load, finding it impossible to move was quoted cow price for them, They be heading for 48 months if some not over it. I was told they were heavier than usual.

That's just pure madness! Willy waving at its worst!

rancher · 09-01-2014 12:16PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

From knowing a few beef boys aroubd here and reading on here I have a lot of sympathy for ye beef lads.what I can't understand is what the fook is our so called Union the ifa doing,sitting on their asses is the answer.the factory's should be on 24 hour pickets with nothing allowed in or out and a consorted national effort to supply nothing to them for a week to 10 days.get in the competition authority etc as well as this whole thing stinks especially the situation with bulls.

We did that years ago, I know I spent 3 wks organising a picket, had 50 of my own cattle ready booked in for the first morning and had to cancel.
We eventually got the factories to give 90p/lb and it held for a few weeks, but the first farmer that took less than 90p effectively wasted everyones effort. And it cost IFA 1.5 million in fines
A few years later we arranged a picket on all the factories in jan, I was on the livestock committee, I actually resigned off the livestock committee because of the phone calls I got from farmers that didn't want us picketing so you'll forgive me if I don't agree with you. Everyone will want to blockade the factories except those that have cattle to sell.
As for saying that we should have stopped the buyers giving too much for cattle in the autumn....... I'll let you work that one out for yourself

bob charles · 09-01-2014 01:35PM

rancher wrote: »

We did that years ago, I know I spent 3 wks organising a picket, had 50 of my own cattle ready booked in for the first morning and had to cancel.
We eventually got the factories to give 90p/lb and it held for a few weeks, but the first farmer that took less than 90p effectively wasted everyones effort. And it cost IFA 1.5 million in fines
A few years later we arranged a picket on all the factories in jan, I was on the livestock committee, I actually resigned off the livestock committee because of the phone calls I got from farmers that didn't want us picketing so you'll forgive me if I don't agree with you. Everyone will want to blockade the factories except those that have cattle to sell.
As for saying that we should have stopped the buyers giving too much for cattle in the autumn....... I'll let you work that one out for yourself

A picket can never work where your talking about fresh produce. What are we to do, leave it there to either go out of spec. When my animals are ready to go they have to go within 7 - 14 days otherwise they start costing serious money as im now feeding an animal to lay fat which is seriously uneconomic

09-01-2014 01:49PM

Only true strike would be to with draw breeding in the first place!

Farmer Pudsey · 09-01-2014 01:59PM

Very hard for any picket to resolve issue'e. In my opinion the IFA should be lobbying government to withdraw unrestricted access to CMS. This could possibly be enforced through data legistation as they have access to invidual farmer data such as stock levels etc.

However this may be a two edge sword as down the line if numbers increase factory's can claim they were unaware of pending increase in product levels.

The real attack should be through complaints to CA as the present situtation is a sure sign of market manupilation. In a lot of other area's it would be considered insider trading.

I cannot understand whay the IFA have not highlighted these concerns to CA.

While tactics might not susceed it might start to put pressure on factory's/supermarkets to be aware of games they play

Western Pomise · 09-01-2014 04:03PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Very hard for any picket to resolve issue'e. In my opinion the IFA should be lobbying government to withdraw unrestricted access to CMS. This could possibly be enforced through data legistation as they have access to invidual farmer data such as stock levels etc.

However this may be a two edge sword as down the line if numbers increase factory's can claim they were unaware of pending increase in product levels.

The real attack should be through complaints to CA as the present situtation is a sure sign of market manupilation. In a lot of other area's it would be considered insider trading.

I cannot understand whay the IFA have not highlighted these concerns to CA.

While tactics might not susceed it might start to put pressure on factory's/supermarkets to be aware of games they play

The unrestricted herd info access thing is a joke....bad when factory agents can openly turn around to a farmer and ask them 'where did ya kill that last load of x age cattle ya had'?......
And bully them into stopping passing their door through different means.

severeoversteer · 09-01-2014 09:26PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

That's just pure madness! Willy waving at its worst!

sure they dont have to be over 30 months for big weights

i have a pen of limousine bullocks, 26 months old and they are average of 850kg, the heaviest is 880kg

and they are still not fit for kill

Farmer Pudsey · 09-01-2014 09:38PM

severeoversteer wrote: »

sure they dont have to be over 30 months for big weights

i have a pen of limousine bullocks, 26 months old and they are average of 850kg, the heaviest is 880kg

and they are still not fit for kill

I know this farmers system great silage cuts it in mid late July, short winter from late November to April cattle would usually be at least 3yolds before they are slaughtered.

ellewood · 10-01-2014 12:02AM

3.10 for O grade cows

What QA bonus do you get on cows

What's the criteria to qualify for QA on cows

bob charles · 10-01-2014 12:11AM

ellewood wrote: »

3.10 for O grade cows

What QA bonus do you get on cows

What's the criteria to qualify for QA on cows

none in most plants

mf240 · 10-01-2014 12:29AM

4. Cent in dawn. Well that was a few months ago.

cute geoge · 10-01-2014 05:34PM

22 month wh bulls -3.80
22 month f/hol bulls-3.60 at wholesales
agents only giving 3.60 flat

Brown Podzol · 10-01-2014 06:20PM

cute geoge wrote: »

22 month wh bulls -3.80
22 month f/hol bulls-3.60 at wholesales
agents only giving 3.60 flat

Wholesales?

epfff · 10-01-2014 06:23PM

cute geoge wrote: »

22 month wh bulls -3.80
22 month f/hol bulls-3.60 at wholesales
agents only giving 3.60 flat

I think take it
with both hands and say thanks

RobertKK · 15-01-2014 01:28AM

I see on Bloomberg, that in the commodity side of things that cattle futures are at a record high due to tight supplies.

restive · 15-01-2014 11:24AM

€4 for bullocks in Kepak.

Cavanjack · 15-01-2014 11:31AM

restive wrote: »

€4 for bullocks in Kepak.

For underage?

restive · 15-01-2014 11:54AM

yes mine was 29 months, Conf R- Fat 4= 375.8 kg and I got the 12c bonus on top of the €4.

bob charles · 15-01-2014 03:19PM

bit of nostalgia, October 2004 mart prices

370kg weanling male - €700
540kg double punched:D bullock - €737
620kg heifer - €690
530kg fr cull cow - €450

Deadweight price on the day was

R bulls - €2.46
U bulls - €2.52
R4l Bullocks - €2.46
R3 heifers - €2.43
O cows - €2.07

I have all the beef premium pencil sheets here aswell, seems allot longer than 10yrs ago

Cavanjack · 15-01-2014 04:09PM

bob charles wrote: »

bit of nostalgia, October 2004 mart prices

370kg weanling male - €700
540kg double punched:D bullock - €737
620kg heifer - €690
530kg fr cull cow - €450

Deadweight price on the day was

R bulls - €2.46
U bulls - €2.52
R4l Bullocks - €2.46
R3 heifers - €2.43
O cows - €2.07

I have all the beef premium pencil sheets here aswell, seems allot longer than 10yrs ago

You remember how much a tonne of meal was?

bob charles · 15-01-2014 04:35PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

You remember how much a tonne of meal was?

I was paying €120 a ton for crimped barley @ 65mc delivered ready for pitting, that was fed on its own to bulls on grass. They were getting as much as they could eat. they cost 700 as weanlings and killing around 415kgs 10 months later @ 2.46 = 1020, bull premium of €180(I think this was the amount) was added to that so total of €500 for the year to cover all costs, they probably downed a ton of meal but when it was €120 it was a whole different ball game

Farmer Pudsey · 15-01-2014 08:22PM

bob charles wrote: »

I was paying €120 a ton for crimped barley @ 65mc delivered ready for pitting, that was fed on its own to bulls on grass. They were getting as much as they could eat. they cost 700 as weanlings and killing around 415kgs 10 months later @ 2.46 = 1020, bull premium of €180(I think this was the amount) was added to that so total of €500 for the year to cover all costs, they probably downed a ton of meal but when it was €120 it was a whole different ball game

I think a bullock was 180X2 + extensivation 80X2 and slaughter was 80

a bull was 250+ 80Ext +80 Slaughter.

Brown Podzol · 15-01-2014 08:52PM

Boat on the way for young bulls.
http://www.agriland.ie/news/boat-on-the-way-for-young-bulls-ifa/

bob charles · 15-01-2014 10:23PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I think a bullock was 180X2 + extensivation 80X2 and slaughter was 80

a bull was 250+ 80Ext +80 Slaughter.

yip that sounds right for the punches

250 bull, could be claimed after 14months ??
180 for the 9 month and the 22 month
completely forgot about the 80 slaughter

those must have being the days, will we look back in 10 years time and say, back in 2014 we must have being coining it

:D

Farrell · 15-01-2014 10:40PM

bob charles wrote: »

yip that sounds right for the punches

250 bull, could be claimed after 14months ??
180 for the 9 month and the 22 month
completely forgot about the 80 slaughter

those must have being the days, will we look back in 10 years time and say, back in 2014 we must have being coining it :D

There was a nice bit of year old beef going on then too

Hershall · 15-01-2014 11:26PM

bob charles wrote: »

bit of nostalgia, October 2004 mart prices

370kg weanling male - €700
540kg double punched:D bullock - €737
620kg heifer - €690
530kg fr cull cow - €450

Deadweight price on the day was

R bulls - €2.46
U bulls - €2.52
R4l Bullocks - €2.46
R3 heifers - €2.43
O cows - €2.07

I have all the beef premium pencil sheets here aswell, seems allot longer than 10yrs ago

Wouldn't mind a few of them bullocks at €737 today!!!!

Farmer Pudsey · 22-01-2014 11:19AM

O Bulls 3.40/kg nearly 24 months.

bob charles · 22-01-2014 11:43AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

O Bulls 3.40/kg nearly 24 months.

yeah thats the price, doubt you will get a better deal.

It must be all summer grazers on here as the thread is very quite aswell as quite prices. Are you's going buying into the falling market or hold your money till we hit the bottom.

All current cattle are loosing at minimum €50, anyone loosing over a hundred on the majority of animals I have little pity for as they way over paid for them. If farmers say they are loosing a 100 now, add in the 50 margin they budgeted to make, and they were expecting cattle to be 40c a kilo dearer than todays prices which was never going to happen. I should have said excluding bulls.

Farmer Pudsey · 22-01-2014 12:13PM

Have enough stock at present. Looking at present value seem to be in Friesians 370-400 kgs assuming that you can house next winter at over 600kgs and feed to 700kgs you would have them finished January/february.

They can be bought for 580-600 euro. I do not finish short term cattle in general as do not like to have large amounts of capital tied up in cattle. I have a 6 bulls left and 10 bullocks(mixed bag bit of everything) I have heifers for June so will wait until then to look for replacments unless I buy more land:rolleyes:

Looking at the bulls 50c/kg would have change the maths drastically

simx · 22-01-2014 01:45PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Have enough stock at present. Looking at present value seem to be in Friesians 370-400 kgs assuming that you can house next winter at over 600kgs and feed to 700kgs you would have them finished January/february.

They can be bought for 580-600 euro. I do not finish short term cattle in general as do not like to have large amounts of capital tied up in cattle. I have a 6 bulls left and 10 bullocks(mixed bag bit of everything) I have heifers for June so will wait until then to look for replacments unless I buy more land:rolleyes:

Looking at the bulls 50c/kg would have change the maths drastically

what would ya get for an o grade bullock at present pudsey?

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