Dublin Bus

Skylinehead · 08-01-2014 06:04PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well you'd wonder why they charge for a service that they can't run properly

Yeah they should do it for free. That'll solve everything!

kryptonmight · 08-01-2014 06:06PM

I was on the bus recently and a guy got on. I'm not sure if he was homeless but he was definitely disadvantaged in some way. The bus driver seemed very friendly and just let this guy on. A short distance later three inspectors got on and yer man tried to leg it as soon as he saw them at the stop. They got onto the bus before he got off and they asked to see his pass and he didn't have one, although he initially flashed some sort of card quickly to try and be cute about it. Turned out he had no pass or forgot it so they turfed him off the bus.

I'm not normally supportive of people trying to dodge bus fares etc but this guy was sitting there minding his own business and wasn't making a sound and I felt bad for him.

I did wonder afterwards if the bus driver was asked why he let him on in the first place as the bus was almost empty and this guy got on by himself and no-one else was at the stop.

I also used to take a commuter train to Dublin and there was one guy who always seemed to leg it to the toilet as soon as he saw the daily ticket inspector walking down the carriage ahead. I'm guessing he was skipping paying for a ticket but who knows.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 08-01-2014 06:07PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Yeah they should do it for free. That'll solve everything!

Well they're providing addicts with a free warm place to shoot up. Maybe run a heroin bus! A bus for scummers with their welfare passes, and people who pay for their fare can go on the other one

suicide_circus · 08-01-2014 06:11PM

Fake as ****

Tasden · 08-01-2014 06:12PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well they're providing addicts with a free warm place to shoot up. Maybe run a heroin bus! A bus for scummers with their welfare passes, and people who pay for their fare can go on the other one

Well i know you're being sarcastic but a lot of agencies are actually trying to get the government to look at "Safe Haven" type places for them to shoot up like in Canada to stop it happening in places like buses and on the street, but its basically a non runner here and people think it just encourages drug use. Can't win.

poundapunnet · 08-01-2014 06:15PM

Tasden wrote: »

Well i know you're being sarcastic but a lot of agencies are actually trying to get the government to look at "Safe Haven" type places for them to shoot up like in Canada to stop it happening in places like buses and on the street, but its basically a non runner here and people think it just encourages drug use. Can't win.

If that was coupled with a zero-tolerance policy for drug use outside those zones it could do an awful lot of good. How does it work in Canada regarding people selling in them though? Surely that's a no-no, could be hard to enforce though.

Tasden · 08-01-2014 06:23PM

poundapunnet wrote: »

If that was coupled with a zero-tolerance policy for drug use outside those zones it could do an awful lot of good. How does it work in Canada regarding people selling in them though? Surely that's a no-no, could be hard to enforce though.

I don't know tbh, because its more a facility for users safety than the public's if you get me? The main aim isn't about getting drugs off the street its more to provide the space to the users to do so safely. All I know is that a medic brings them to a booth and they bring their own gear and shoot up themselves, the medic helps finding veins and stuff but doesn't inject for them iirc. They have an alias to use each time they come in and there are medics in case of od and clean needles etc. The main aim is safety of the users but the advantage is it stops them doing it on the street.

InSite is the name of the one I'm thinking of afaik if you wanna look it up.

poundapunnet · 08-01-2014 06:27PM

Tasden wrote: »

I don't know tbh, because its more a facility for users safety than the public's if you get me? The main aim isn't about getting drugs off the street its more to provide the space to the users to do so safely. All I know is that a medic brings them to a booth and they bring their own gear and shoot up themselves, the medic helps finding veins and stuff but doesn't inject for them iirc. They have an alias to use each time they come in and there are medics in case of od and clean needles etc. The main aim is safety of the users but the advantage is it stops them doing it on the street.

Even for the safety of the users and the potential safety of potential users selling would have to be banned though? It sounds like a great idea, damage control for a city's heroin problem (both for the junkies and the gen-pop) is a huge big vast problem and little concrete things like this at least make some measurable difference. But yeah, probably far too much common sense to get off the ground over here.

seiphil · 08-01-2014 06:32PM

Fake or not, it still happens.

Nothing will be done about this kind of thing until some poor child gets infected with some disease.

Shocking but it's the truth. Waiting for the inevitable.

billie1b · 08-01-2014 06:35PM

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

I was on a bus yesterday and someone came down from upstairs and told the driver that there was a syringe upstairs. The driver called it in and they organised a replacement bus that was waiting for us a few stops later. Could have been the bus in the picture.

The bus to Ongar yeah?

artanevilla · 08-01-2014 06:37PM

The problem isn't Dublin buses. It's Dublin as a whole's problem. I can't speak for the rest of the country, but heroin addicts are destroying the city and have free run of the place and nobody is doing anything about it.

KyussBishop · 08-01-2014 06:37PM

Not that uncommon - remember it a couple of years ago on the 27; the driver had stopped the bus and was waiting after calling the guards, with a guy still on it shooting up.

After a while, most people got off onto another bus instead of waiting - including the guy that was shooting up.

Tasden · 08-01-2014 06:37PM

poundapunnet wrote: »

Even for the safety of the users and the potential safety of potential users selling would have to be banned though? It sounds like a great idea, damage control for a city's heroin problem (both for the junkies and the gen-pop) is a huge big vast problem and little concrete things like this at least make some measurable difference. But yeah, probably far too much common sense to get off the ground over here.

Hmm I don't know because loitering/selling /shooting up literally just outside the centre was a huge problem a while back. They knew they could count on addicts being around to buy stuff and medics on site to help if something went wrong. I don't know if they came up with a way of dealing with that.
Its a great facility though, they have social workers and addiction professionals and provide great help for those who want to get off the stuff.

poundapunnet · 08-01-2014 06:46PM

Tasden wrote: »

Hmm I don't know because loitering/selling /shooting up literally just outside the centre was a huge problem a while back. They knew they could count on addicts being around to buy stuff and medics on site to help if something went wrong. I don't know if they came up with a way of dealing with that.
Its a great facility though, they have social workers and addiction professionals and provide great help for those who want to get off the stuff.

I guess the ra could come in handy for deterring the dealers....:(

dd972 · 08-01-2014 06:48PM

The bus isn't called the 'loser cruiser' for nothing, thankfully no longer wasting hours of my life on those Yellow and Blue looney bins on wheels.

mickydoomsux · 08-01-2014 06:49PM

poundapunnet wrote: »

I guess the ra could come in handy for deterring the dealers....:(

Only because they want to be the new dealers.

UCDVet · 08-01-2014 07:20PM

dd972 wrote: »

The bus isn't called the 'loser cruiser' for nothing, thankfully no longer wasting hours of my life on those Yellow and Blue looney bins on wheels.

Unpopular but effective way of improving DublinBus 10x....

1.) Remove free/discounted passed
2.) Charge 6 euro to get on the bus

Baneblade · 08-01-2014 07:24PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well you'd wonder why they charge for a service that they can't run properly

their automatic counter arugement would be they could run it properly if they could charge more for it, followed by a massive price hike

wexie · 08-01-2014 07:26PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Unpopular but effective way of improving DublinBus 10x....

1.) Remove free/discounted passed
2.) Charge 6 euro to get on the bus

I thought you were going to say stop it going to/from Tallaght, Ballyfermot, Cherry Orchard etc. etc. etc.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 08-01-2014 07:27PM

Baneblade wrote: »

their automatic counter arugement would be they could run it properly if they could charge more for it, followed by a massive price hike

Or charge the freeloaders for their fares

Penny Tration · 08-01-2014 07:31PM

I get the 27 and 17a at least ten times a week, usually double that, and have done for eight years. I've never once seen somebody shoot up, and the 27 is considered a fairly bad bus to take. I've seen people smoking weed or cigarettes and drinking, neither of which bother me, bar the smell. As for verbal abuse, I see it maybe once per year.

Yes, none of it should ever happen but drivers are not security guards. I'd rather just stick to sitting downstairs, or ignoring the idiots because they generally leave you alone if you leave them alone.

mickydoomsux · 08-01-2014 07:45PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Or charge the freeloaders for their fares

But how would "de vulnerable" get around the place to hassle people, meet up with their social worker to get them off on their latest shoplifting charge and meet up with their dealers.

These are busy people who need to be allowed to travel anywhere in the country for absolutely nothing.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 08-01-2014 07:52PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

But how would "de vulnerable" get around the place to hassle people, meet up with their social worker to get them off on their latest shoplifting charge and meet up with their dealers.

These are busy people who need to be allowed to travel anywhere in the country for absolutely nothing.

I also think de vulnerable should be drugs tested before recieving any social welfare or free houses

mickydoomsux · 08-01-2014 07:55PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I also think de vulnerable should be drugs tested before recieving any social welfare or free houses

That wouldn't be "fair". Sure aren't they "entitled" to everything they get.

Much better to inflict them on the rest of society who are traveling to work to pay for this garbage to live off the state and be immune to conviction.

The tax paying worker is the real scum in this country.

anncoates · 08-01-2014 07:58PM

Anybody else irritated to the point of wanting to shoot up on the next 65B?

Tiddlypeeps · 08-01-2014 08:00PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I also think de vulnerable should be drugs tested before recieving any social welfare or free houses

Ok so your plan has been implemented and you now have a not insignificant number of people on the streets or soon to be on the streets because of no income. What do you think will happen next?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 08-01-2014 08:03PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

That wouldn't be "fair". Sure aren't they "entitled" to everything they get.

Much better to inflict them on the rest of society who are traveling to work to pay for this garbage to live off the state and be immune to conviction.

The tax paying worker is the real scum in this country.

A little bit off topic but I've noticed this with being sick and needing the doctor. I get sick a lot, I have a crap immune system, thyroid issues and am anaemic. I'm also stingy, so hate paying 50 crisp ones for my 3 month checkup with the doctor, or having my blood done, or when I get an ear infection or a chest infection unless I'm dying I don't go to the doctor because well, it's a lot of money.

Yet I know a girl that would go to midoc if she got a pain in her arse after her GP was closed, rather than wait the next morning for an appointment. When I do
Go to the doctors, it's always the same faces you see in there every time.

The people who never work or contribute to society can afford to go to the doctor if they sneeze, and get medication for hardly anything, and then there's the rest of us.

You're right, you get nowhere in this country by paying your own way, there'll always be people there to take more off you

wexie · 08-01-2014 08:05PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Ok so your plan has been implemented and you now have a not insignificant number of people on the streets or soon to be on the streets because of no income. What do you think will happen next?

ship them off to spike island, cities cleaned up, drug problem tackled AND HUUUUGE saving in the social welfare bill....

it's a win win win really

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 08-01-2014 08:08PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Ok so your plan has been implemented and you now have a not insignificant number of people on the streets or soon to be on the streets because of no income. What do you think will happen next?

Free cardboard boxes. I'm not completely heartless.

In all seriousness, the down and outs aren't the only people in society. The government have a responsibility to protect decent people too, by not leaving them taxed to the eyeballs and barely able to pay their mortgage while some other family could be dealing drugs, causing mayhem for their neighbours, getting plenty of taxpayers money and benefits in kind (free medical, free transport, uniform allowance on top of children's allowance ect) they have no responsibility for themselves. If they think drugs or being anti social is worth more than a home, leave them off to the Phoenix park and let them brave a few weeks of sleeping rough.

mickydoomsux · 08-01-2014 08:10PM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Ok so your plan has been implemented and you now have a not insignificant number of people on the streets or soon to be on the streets because of no income. What do you think will happen next?

Well what we are doing now, which is basically babysitting grown ass people and having the useful people in society work to support the worthless, isn't working.

Roughly 33% of the states expenditure is Social Welfare. How is that considered normal? And people wonder why there is overcrowding in our schools that are mottled together with prefabs and people dying on trolleys in infection-riddled, understaffed hospital corridors.

We're too busy paying Antos rent and dole/disability so he doesn't rob people for drug money.

But wait! He's still robbing people! Don't worry. He'll get a fair go of it in court because of the social workers and legal aid that we're all paying for.

The system works!

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