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ste2010 · 04-01-2014 09:02PM

Ill agree to disagree with you on this one. The man IMO will have to rubber stamp each of the directions Mullins communicates.

yaboya1 · 04-01-2014 09:28PM

Some owners let the trainers call all the shots regardless of how many horses they have with them (pretty sure I read Andy Stewart leaves all decisions to Nicholls), while others prefer to have more of a say. I don't which type Ricci is, but Mullins hasn't done too bad for him so far so I'd imagine he's pretty trusting when it comes to race selection.
If I owned Annie Power I would be going for the World Hurdle anyway. There's way less strength in depth in that race and there are doubts about the horses towards the head of the market in any case (Solwhit is a 10yo yet to run this season & Big Bucks returning after more than a year off as an 11yo). The Champion looks a far hotter race.

ziggy · 04-01-2014 10:33PM

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hucklebuck · 05-01-2014 12:26AM

Un De Sceaux will definitely be in the Champion Hurdle and Annie Power for World hurdle if you ask me.

I still can't get my head around Un De Sceaux's last run, he ran 2m in 3m55 on yielding ground, with no company without being asked to quicken and eased down at the end.

With his style of running it will take a serious serious horse to get passed him, look at the last few Champions where horses that run up with the pace have ended up ROR, Peddlers Cross and Overturn and this guy looks quite a way better than them imo.

jimjamcos · 05-01-2014 12:33AM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Un De Sceaux will definitely be in the Champion Hurdle and Annie Power for World hurdle if you ask me.

I still can't get my head around Un De Sceaux's last run, he ran 2m in 3m55 on yielding ground, with no company without being asked to quicken and eased down at the end.

With his style of running it will take a serious serious horse to get passed him, look at the last few Champions where horses that run up with the pace have ended up ROR, Peddlers Cross and Overturn and this guy looks quite a way better than them imo.

That's exactly what Ruby said when told of the Twiston-Davies wanting a pacemaker. Went something along the lines of "The New One won't need a pacemaker if he runs! He's a really, really good horse and it would take a fair horse to get past him"

ste2010 · 05-01-2014 12:38AM

jimjamcos wrote: »

That's exactly what Ruby said when told of the Twiston-Davies wanting a pacemaker. Went something along the lines of "The New One won't need a pacemaker if he runs! He's a really, really good horse and it would take a fair horse to get past him"

Having him ante post at 374,362.232/1 always brings a smile to my face when I see comments like this :-)
Not to mention he's only ran 3 times over hurdles...

SRFC · 05-01-2014 03:41AM

Boston Bob could be gold cup bound after SDC being ruled out.

jimjamcos · 05-01-2014 03:50AM

SRFC wrote: »

Boston Bob could be gold cup bound after SDC being ruled out.

Rubi Ball will likely be aimed at it but wouldn't surprise me to see Boston Bob re-routed with AP a proper WH chance.

SRFC · 05-01-2014 04:01AM

Watch this master class from ruby jacob wouldnt ride one like this in his dreams BB has no hope without walsh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wloWIFTwEg

jimjamcos · 05-01-2014 04:10AM

SRFC wrote: »

Watch this master class from ruby jacob wouldnt ride one like this in his dreams BB has no hope without walsh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wloWIFTwEg

Yep, takes balls of steel to ride Big Bucks the way Ruby always did. No matter what yoke was coming up alongside him on the bridle, it never affected his confidence and ability to patiently execute the planned tactics on the champ. If it comes down to Ruby on Annie V Jacob on Big Bucks I could definitely see Jacob blowing his load too early on Big Bucks and I'd be putting my moola on the mare and Ruby every day of the week!

SRFC · 05-01-2014 04:18AM

jimjamcos wrote: »

Yep, takes balls of steel to ride Big Bucks the way Ruby always did. No matter what yoke was coming up alongside him on the bridle, it never affected his confidence and ability to patiently execute the planned tactics on the champ. If it comes down to Ruby on Annie V Jacob on Big Bucks I could definitely see Jacob blowing his load too early on Big Bucks and I'd be putting my moola on the mare and Ruby every day of the week!

Yeah just watching Big Bucks wins and you forgot how hard to win on he is,wont be going near him with Jacob the rides ruby gave him were unreal imagine Jacob in a finish against Walsh,Id rather Mccoy rode Big Bucks tbh,say he touchs some prices in runnning BB.

hucklebuck · 06-01-2014 01:06PM

ste2010 wrote: »

Having him ante post at 374,362.232/1 always brings a smile to my face when I see comments like this :-)
Not to mention he's only ran 3 times over hurdles...

Nice odds, where did you get them

shy-tall-knight · 06-01-2014 04:09PM

Bet 365 now Non Runner No Bet, took 40/1 about Last Installment. Probably an unlikely runner at this stage but worth it with a money back guarantee. Connections could be tempted to run him if he makes a good comeback at Thurles in a few weeks, particularly with Sir des Champs out of the GC picture. However, don't think they'd risk him on anything better than soft/yielding given the nature of his injury.

Bangor Billy · 06-01-2014 06:19PM

Poquelin won a point to point hard held at Larkhill yesterday. Not quoted yet for the Foxhunters and would need to stay but could be a live contender.

hucklebuck · 06-01-2014 06:50PM

Bangor Billy wrote: »

Poquelin won a point to point hard held at Larkhill yesterday. Not quoted yet for the Foxhunters and would need to stay but could be a live contender.

AFAIK Barbers Shop ran in it either last year or year before and he was terrible.

Baby Run could be interesting if he runs. Salsify will be a tough one to crack and is being quoted around 7s, no doubt Sweeney got a good lesson last year, no matter how good the horse or how well you are going dont let the one in front get away going down the hill.

kksaints · 06-01-2014 06:52PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

AFAIK Barbers Shop ran in it either last year or year before and he was terrible.

Baby Run could be interesting if he runs. Salsify will be a tough one to crack and is being quoted around 7s, no doubt Sweeney got a good lesson last year, no matter how good the horse or how well you are going dont let the one in front get away going down the hill.

Baby Run has been retired.

hucklebuck · 06-01-2014 06:59PM

kksaints wrote: »

Baby Run has been retired.

Missed that, his reappearance was brilliant.

jimjamcos · 06-01-2014 09:31PM

Pricewise tips Annie Power for Champion Hurdle @ 14/1 tomorrow. Case solved so...she's going to World Hurdle!!

Colonel Sanders · 06-01-2014 09:35PM

jimjamcos wrote: »

Pricewise tips Annie Power for Champion Hurdle @ 14/1 tomorrow. Case solved so...she's going to World Hurdle!!

Wow, I find this a strange one.

Has he made a case on why he thinks she's bound for the CH over the WH hurdle?

I thought CH at the end of last season but think WH now.

Off topic, will we see a "Ryanair Hurdle" over 2m 4?

SRFC · 06-01-2014 09:42PM

Ruby wont be getting off Hurricane fly so good look with that one PW followers handy money money for the layers,Not a prayer against the great one either even if it does run.

jimjamcos · 06-01-2014 09:44PM

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Wow, I find this a strange one.

Has he made a case on why he thinks she's bound for the CH over the WH hurdle?

I thought CH at the end of last season but think WH now.

Off topic, will we see a "Ryanair Hurdle" over 2m 4?

Haven't read the piece, just seeing people put it up on the Twitterbox. Find it very strange myself too. Unless he's got good word she's definitely going there, there has to be a real risk that she'll run in the WH instead. She's a 5/1 shot both with bookies and exchanges for the latter. None of his last four CH antepost tips have ran come the day so his record aint great. I thought Un De Sceaux would more his type of bet tbh - a risk, but guaranteed to be aimed at the race.

Couldn't see Annie Power winning anyway unless it was a bog like the other day.

SRFC · 06-01-2014 09:58PM

She would win a bad renewal wont be winning this on the off chance she does run,wouldnt beat hurricane fly never mind the english horses shes beaten one decent horse in Zarkandar and people are getting carried away come back when she does it in a proper grade one and not a 2 runner race or a mares race ffs hype machine is in overdrive wouldnt back her to beat un de sceax.

Colonel Sanders · 06-01-2014 10:04PM

jimjamcos wrote: »

None of his last four CH antepost tips have ran come the day so his record aint great

I've been critical of some of the reasoning behind some of his AP selections in the last few years, however I have always caveated that with the fact he's forced into picking something by the editors and you often get the impression he either thinks a favourite is bombproof (but most punters think only a bigger price horse can be value) or doesn't fancy anything and the selection is a token choice

Huntley · 06-01-2014 11:08PM

Un de Sceaux has close to no chance of winning a Champion Hurdle based upon how he races. It is incredibly difficult to time a front running ride, it is the most difficult tempo to set in a grade 1 and still win. With so many of the field suited to a strong running gallop I'm struggling to see how he could hold off 5 or 6 live contenders from getting past him. Barring freak occurrences it would need to be a perfect ride with perfect sectionals. Give someone a stopwatch and tell them to try it ten times and they'd struggle to get it right once.

06-01-2014 11:14PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

AFAIK Barbers Shop ran in it either last year or year before and he was terrible.

Baby Run could be interesting if he runs. Salsify will be a tough one to crack and is being quoted around 7s, no doubt Sweeney got a good lesson last year, no matter how good the horse or how well you are going dont let the one in front get away going down the hill.

I've been told that if they can keep On The Fringe sound it would be well fancied for this race.

longshotvalue · 06-01-2014 11:23PM

TheTorment wrote: »

I've been told that if they can keep On The Fringe sound it would be well fancied for this race.

At the moment i really like Rival Destruval for this i had him last year in the 4 miler and he fell at the last with a great shout..still only 9 and relatively lightly raced with some chance of improvement.

battser · 07-01-2014 02:51AM

"The one least likely to win is jezki" Isn't convinced by his jumping

"TNO and MTOY will most likely stay at the prices even for the off"

He admits AP may not run in the race but thinks the Anti post price is nice and would be suprised if connections would not want to try her with the best over the trip.

Bit of a BS piece I think myself as you just can't expect them to think she is up to it without Ruby on board so am surprised by his connections comment.

You wouldn't know what the Mullins lad would be planning!

Coral also boast of taking on our conor at 9s abviously hoping the 5yo trend continues to form. Next to HF I think his jumping is the next best in the race so will be sticking with him and the champ.

Look forward to seeing the price crumble for AP tomorrow tho

Gringo180 · 07-01-2014 01:40PM

SRFC wrote: »

She would win a bad renewal wont be winning this on the off chance she does run,wouldnt beat hurricane fly never mind the english horses shes beaten one decent horse in Zarkandar and people are getting carried away come back when she does it in a proper grade one and not a 2 runner race or a mares race ffs hype machine is in overdrive wouldnt back her to beat un de sceax.

She didn't only beat Zarkandar she murdered him, The New One was nowhere near as impressive in beating him as AP was and he is at the head of the market for the Champion. If I was the owner I would be going straight for the Champion Hurdle I wouldn't give a toss that Hurricane Fly is running or what Mullins was saying. In saying that I think she will definitely be going the World Hurdle as if they were going the CH route they would be running her in the Irish equivalent. I just hope it doesn't come back to bite them in the arse, because I cant see her beating Big Bucks, it could take her a long time to get over that.

BangBeater · 07-01-2014 02:03PM

Huntley wrote: »

Un de Sceaux has close to no chance of winning a Champion Hurdle based upon how he races. It is incredibly difficult to time a front running ride, it is the most difficult tempo to set in a grade 1 and still win. With so many of the field suited to a strong running gallop I'm struggling to see how he could hold off 5 or 6 live contenders from getting past him. Barring freak occurrences it would need to be a perfect ride with perfect sectionals. Give someone a stopwatch and tell them to try it ten times and they'd struggle to get it right once.

Good point/analysis

boysinblack · 07-01-2014 02:12PM

There some video interview I seen a while ago in which Willie Mullins all but ruled out the World Hurdle for Annie Power.

Cant find it now but i would pretty much rule her out after what he said.

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