How to fight an Alsatian?

tim3000 · 04-01-2014 02:27AM

gctest50 wrote: »

Are you going to go " Hang on there a minute Shep until I take off my jumper"

Well the OP says that you are cornered with no escape. So I am assuming a situation where the dog is looking at you waiting to attack. So I am assuming that you could try this at least. Probably work a lot better than mounting it from behind like the OP says.

ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 02:30AM

An Alsatian went for me few years ago. Broke from his lead and bolted across the road and leap into the air, directly for my head/chest.

Strange experience.

I stood my ground (presumably through abject fear), and my body went limp, ie I dropped my arms to my side, gave no outward sing of aggression.

The dog more or less did the same. As it sailed through the air aiming for my head/chest, it suddenly veered to my side, hit the ground and became immediately docile.

The fool of an owner apologised, managed to get the dog (without muzzle) back on the lead.

Afterwards I was in a state of shock, but thankfully I didn't run, fight back etc.

Crann na Beatha · 04-01-2014 02:31AM

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ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 02:35AM

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Thanks Wibbs,yes it was scary as hell and there was nobody else on the beach to assist.We had just left a nightclub and were heading back to the hotel.I often wonder what would have happened if they got the better of us.

Yes, feral dogs seems to be a massive prob in Greece -Athens anyway. Friend had similar experience about 10 years ago.

Cedrus · 04-01-2014 02:37AM

Throw a ball
Act docile / submissive
Ignore the sharp snarly bits and go for the soft bits
Pray like you believe

.Henry Sellers. · 04-01-2014 02:38AM

Grab the dog by the Hind legs and walk around with it pretending its a wheelbarrow, has worked for me on multiple occasions.

Renegade Mechanic · 04-01-2014 02:39AM

Situations like this are about damage reduction. Not damage prevention. You ARE going to be injured, badly and will liikely be bleeding quite a bit too. Accept that and have no problem with it, rather than say "right, im getting out of this unscathed" then you wont panic and freeze when you get... well... scathed because you were already expecting it and are already working with it. Glance around. Youd be surprised what you can make a weapon out of. If not, try kicking out. But If a dog locks onto, say, your leg then it is absolutely a dire situation. However On the flip side, it now has it's head held in one place... so put your thumbs to use because nothing is as incapacitatingly painful as crushed eyeballs or a severed optic nerve.

rebeve · 04-01-2014 02:40AM

I was attacked by two years ago .Never forget it till the day I die .

ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 02:40AM

Cedrus wrote: »

Throw a ball

Act docile / submissive

Ignore the sharp snarly bits and go for the soft bits

Pray like you believe

From my experience I'd say choose docile. Aint easy though. But animals (unless trained otherwise) only respond aggressively to a perceived threat, so dont be one.

Renegade Mechanic · 04-01-2014 02:41AM

Cedrus wrote: »

[*]Act docile / submissive

Absolutely never. Stand your ground bear 'em right back or a dog will definitely attack.

ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 02:44AM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Absolutely never. Stand your ground bear 'em right back or a dog will definitely attack.

Stand you ground, definitely. but without aggressiveness.

Shane.C · 04-01-2014 02:45AM

Have you not played Call of Duty? You wait for it to jump at you, grab it by the jaws and click R3

Cedrus · 04-01-2014 02:47AM

Any time I've been in a public road and a dog has thrown a shape, a quick drop to pretend to pick up a stone has always been enough to deter them. It has worked in country driveways too but, I wouldn't be so confident in a place they knew I had no rights.

ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 02:50AM

Cedrus wrote: »

Any time I've been in a public road and a dog has thrown a shape, a quick drop to pretend to pick up a stone has always been enough to deter them. It has worked in country driveways too but, I wouldn't be so confident in a place they knew I had no rights.

Yes, a lot of dogs tend to use litigation when teeth fail.

kaimera · 04-01-2014 02:50AM

@Wibbs, I often wonder about the pack of wimmen you leave behind...

*fap*

Renegade Mechanic · 04-01-2014 02:53AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

Stand you ground, definitely. but without aggressiveness.

The best way I guess but I just couldnt

It happened to me some time ago. Thankfully nothing bad came out of it. But it just stalked me. Till I turned round and we stared for abput 5 seconds. It took a step forward and I couldnt stay still I went forward too and everything just exploded! Pure luck with regards to stomping placement and attacking the face kept me ok till help arrived.

Renegade Mechanic · 04-01-2014 02:55AM

Shane.C wrote: »

Have you not played Call of Duty? You wait for it to jump at you, grab it by the jaws and click R3

Bulmers absolutely everywhere. You git

ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 02:56AM

Don't know how i managed to stay still. 99% fear, i imagine. but you also can't show fear. tricky one.

if i'd a found the owner the next day though, i'd prob be doing time now. It affected me for months afterwards.

Speaking of WolfHounds, anyone see the utter monster owned by that hippy dude in Galway? Very mellow animal, but Christ is it scary looking.

Cedrus · 04-01-2014 02:58AM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Absolutely never. Stand your ground bear 'em right back or a dog will definitely attack.

No, they won't definitely attack, it depends mostly where you are and what they've been trained to do, or not to do. If it's a place they've been taught you shouldn't be they probably will, unless you outthink them. If you have the upper hand by being in a place they do not believe is theirs you have a better chance of taking charge.

If a large dog really decides to attack, a human will not outrun them without a ridiculous lead and will rarely outfight them without being savage back.

Mark Tapley · 04-01-2014 03:00AM

Knick knack paddywhack.

ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 03:02AM

Mark Tapley wrote: »

"Knick knack paddywhack.

don't take out your bone(r)..."

Renegade Mechanic · 04-01-2014 03:03AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

Don't know how i managed to stay still. 99% fear, i imagine. but you also can't show fear. tricky one.

if i'd a found the owner the next day though, i'd prob be doing time now. It affected me for months afterwards.

Sorry to hear. My poker face is... questionable at best really so I had no chance

.. Still remember myself was shaking like f*ck after. Went for the jabs too just in case. The teeth were bad enough looking but It was like it had no ears and the way the neck was puffed up, never seen a dog like that in person before.

Cedrus · 04-01-2014 03:04AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

Yes, a lot of dogs tend to use litigation when teeth fail.

Just Territory, it's usually all about territory. Smart Art.

uch · 04-01-2014 03:08AM

I thought this thread said "How to Fly to Afghanistan"

ArtSmart · 04-01-2014 03:09AM

Cedrus wrote: »

Just Territory, it's usually all about territory. Smart Art.

(touche) (that's too-shay, not touchy

)

fenris · 04-01-2014 03:19AM

I depends on where you are and why you are getting ready to fight a dog.

A domestic pet is a different story compared to a properly trained dog for protection / security.

Your domestic pet is all about noise and putting on a show and might even oblige you by relatively gently taking an nicely wrapped arm if offered but if bite inhibition is not in play the offered arm may end up broken and badly bleeding which would be a bit distracting when it comes to clever follow ups.

As for height of walls scaled, my GSD when in training was able to scale an average door sized vertical obstacle if there was any kind of ridge or grip about halfway up, we just had an understanding that the walls in the garden were not to be climbed, I haven't tried any of this with my Irish Setter and I am certainly not teaching him to climb / jump!

Other dogs will probably hit you fast and hard (legs or mid to high back) without committing to a bite to knock you then come back around fast to play either by stretching out a flailing limb or pinning you in another manner to immobilise you until help arrives (their help).

Sir Arthur Daley · 04-01-2014 03:23AM

I would Skype Cesar Millan for advice.

Renegade Mechanic · 04-01-2014 03:25AM

Cedrus wrote: »

No, they won't definitely attack, it depends mostly where you are and what they've been trained to do, or not to do. If it's a place they've been taught you shouldn't be they probably will, unless you outthink them. If you have the upper hand by being in a place they do not believe is theirs you have a better chance of taking charge.

If a large dog really decides to attack, a human will not outrun them without a ridiculous lead and will rarely outfight them without being savage back.

All true but the ops supposed situation is already dodgey. I have great time for dogs, I love em. But these things can happen. Very few dogs are trained properly, most are just normal nice dogs, well cared for and not predisposed to regarding everything on two legs as a threat (that doesnt make it completely impossible though) and some unfortunately have problems that arent necessarily their fault (abuse, afraid etc) If a dog is stalking someone with its head dowm then regardless of where that person is, they are in trouble and breaking into a sprint away will result in a chase.

lostdisk · 04-01-2014 03:26AM

fenris wrote: »

I depends on where you are and why you are getting ready to fight a dog.

A domestic pet is a different story compared to a properly trained dog for protection / security.

Your domestic pet is all about noise and putting on a show and might even oblige you by relatively gently taking an nicely wrapped arm if offered but if bite inhibition is not in play the offered arm may end up broken and badly bleeding which would be a bit distracting when it comes to clever follow ups.

As for height of walls scaled, my GSD when in training was able to scale an average door sized vertical obstacle if there was any kind of ridge or grip about halfway up, we just had an understanding that the walls in the garden were not to be climbed, I haven't tried any of this with my Irish Setter and I am certainly not teaching him to climb / jump!

Other dogs will probably hit you fast and hard (legs or mid to high back) without committing to a bite to knock you then come back around fast to play either by stretching out a flailing limb or pinning you in another manner to immobilise you until help arrives (their help).

I'll fight your dog for money. Two rounds and he's burgermeat.

fenris · 04-01-2014 03:34AM

Your a bit late for the GSD and he would have only played with you, try a walk around an embassy or sensitive foreign military establishment after hours and let us know how you get on.

How to fight an Alsatian?

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