Cannabis sales legal in Colorado as of tomorrow

Jello · 02-01-2014 12:18AM

RasTa wrote: »

You would have to smoke a lot for an ounce to last less then a month.

I wonder if there will be any shops in Aspen

Was there during the summer, after getting food in a small fast food type place I went downstairs looking for the bathroom and ended up in a dispensary. So they're there already.

It's amazing how many dispensaries (or "wellness" centres as a lot of them are called) there are in Denver. The smell of weed is everywhere!

Rough Sleeper · 02-01-2014 12:56AM

jantheman91 wrote: »

Is a '50 bag' not 5 grams?

So 5 grams for 50 quid.

1oz = 28g

So a dealer would be charging about 200-250 euro for 1oz.

Therefore to answer a previous posters question about the dealers still in business: the answer is no.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yeh a 50 is roughly 5 grams but if you bought a 100 bag you copuld get 12/13 grams. More you buy cheaper it is

Can get 1oz for 150-200 depending who you know etc

Where did you get this notion? Traditionally, a 50 bag was 3.5g, which is an eighth of an ounce. These days the bags seem closer to 2g, though you'll get more if you're friendly with the dealer.

jantheman91 · 02-01-2014 01:01AM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

Where did you get this notion? Traditionally, a 50 bag was 3.5g, which is an eighth of an ounce. These days the bags seem closer to 2g, though you'll get more if you're friendly with the dealer.

You're buying it off the wrong person.

:pac:

BorneTobyWilde · 02-01-2014 01:14AM

Why is the store charging dealer prices? Are they preying on the people who require it by holding them to ransom ?
Why is it expensive, you plant a seed it grows? Are daffodils 200$ a ounce ??

Rough Sleeper · 02-01-2014 01:35AM

jantheman91 wrote: »

You're buying it off the wrong person.

:pac:

Haven't bought it myself for years.

The fact of the matter is that if you get a number for a random dealer, you're most likely going to get less than 3g for 50 quid.

MadsL · 02-01-2014 01:44AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why is the store charging dealer prices? Are they preying on the people who require it by holding them to ransom ?
Why is it expensive, you plant a seed it grows? Are daffodils 200$ a ounce ??

Electricity is expensive to run grow lights.

What price do you consider fair in order to run a retail business?

Dealers pay no tax, shop overheads, staff or other costs.

InTheTrees · 02-01-2014 02:39AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why is it expensive, you plant a seed it grows? Are daffodils 200$ a ounce ??

Really?

Some plants are easy to grow and some arent... Potatoes are cheap, Ginseng isnt. You can pay up to $500/lb for ginseng and its just a root that grows in the woods, or you can toss a sprouting potato from your fridge into the garden and you'll probably have a potato plant growing in a few months.

Farming...

Sleepy · 02-01-2014 02:25PM

Pretty jealous of this! The contact I had who used to grow some lovely skunk has emigrated and it's not that easy find new / good sources when you're a 30 something suburbanite who didn't grow up in the area!

seamus · 02-01-2014 02:43PM

MadsL wrote: »

Dealers pay no tax, shop overheads, staff or other costs.

Dealer stuff also tends to be poorly produced so as to gain maximum yield with no consideration for quality.

There have always been rumours about hash being cut with rat or rabbit ****, but I don't know if there's any truth to that.

Hemp grows like a weed in the right conditions, but maintaining those conditions can be expensive, especially in a state like Colorado which experiences pretty big swings in temps between summer and winter.

It wasn't until I started using reddit that I realised how insanely terrified half of the US population seems to be about weed. There seems to be a perception in some quarters that once you have a toke, it's a quick and unavoidable path to injecting creosote into your veins for a kick. Here in Europe we're far less hysterical about it, most cops (even in Ireland) won't even look at you twice unless you're dealing carriers bags full of it.

And yet our politicians are the ones who refuse to discuss it.

Muise... · 02-01-2014 02:59PM

Talk to god and listen to the casual reply...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOB4VdlkzO4

Yamanoto · 02-01-2014 03:02PM

The Denver Post have introduced a standalone portal for all things weed related.

'The Cannabist' is worth a look.

http://www.thecannabist.co/?source=hot-topic-bar

There's a retail outlet opened up in Telluride - as main streets go, I think it has Damrak trumped for the wow factor.

http://content.exclusiveresorts.com/assets/images/telluride/telluride-town-2.jpg

EGriff · 02-01-2014 03:07PM

seamus wrote: »

most cops (even in Ireland) won't even look at you twice unless you're dealing carriers bags full of it.

There are people up in court all the time for possession of as little as a half smoked joint, the cops here will do you for anything they can.

You'll get off without a conviction the first time but it'll still cost you €300 - €400 contribution to the "poor box" plus the price of a solicitor.

RasTa · 02-01-2014 03:28PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

The Denver Post have introduced a standalone portal for all things weed related.

The photo in this article of the first person to buy legal weed is perfection

http://www.thecannabist.co/2014/01/01/live-blog-marijuana-legal-jan-1/1736/

renegademaster · 02-01-2014 03:55PM

MadsL wrote: »

Electricity is expensive to run grow lights.

What price do you consider fair in order to run a retail business?

Dealers pay no tax, shop overheads, staff or other costs.

under correct conditions, an indoor grow with nutrients and all related costs included weed should be grown for €0.26 per gram and with 50 bags consisting of little over 2 grams of sometimes negligible quality green it is beyond a rip off

MadsL · 02-01-2014 04:06PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

There's a retail outlet opened up in Telluride - as main streets go, I think it has Damrak trumped for the wow factor.

http://content.exclusiveresorts.com/assets/images/telluride/telluride-town-2.jpg

Good to know, I haven't been to Telluride in years, I used to be a regular visitor. Takes literally two days to get to though fom Ireland. That main street is the only one that is paved, a tiny victorian house (that was given away by the mayor in the 70s for a dollar as the town was dying) will cost you a million dollars minimum, and it is a point of honour not to lock your door.

The film festival is amazing, no special treatment for film stars, everyone in blue jeans and you could be sitting next to Harrison Ford to watch the movies.

renegademaster wrote: »

under correct conditions, an indoor grow with nutrients and all related costs included weed should be grown for €0.26 per gram and with 50 bags consisting of little over 2 grams of sometimes negligible quality green it is beyond a rip off

Plus tax, plus licences, plus packaging, plus staff, plus heathcare for staff, plus retail costs, plus insurance, plus business accounting costs, plus POS equipment, plus everything else I have forgotten...

Napper Hawkins · 02-01-2014 05:31PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25577961

BorneTobyWilde · 02-01-2014 06:14PM

Would it be fair to say that people who never used canapiss before will now use it simply cause it's legal?
So a whole new generation of young people will be hooked on it before they're 23

ScumLord · 02-01-2014 06:23PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Would it be fair to say that people who never used canapiss before will now use it simply cause it's legal?

It would be fair to say a lot of people that wouldn't have tried it while it was illegal would try it now. My mother has said she'd love to try some but wouldn't while it's illegal.

So a whole new generation of young people will be hooked on it before they're 23

Unlikely but that's some fine baseless assumptions you've made there. I think the age group most likely to take up weed in a big way is OAPs. Plenty are forced onto a raft of pills that weed could replace, I've seen plenty of curiosity from older people, especially those that have to deal with chronic pain which can become inevitable as you grow older.

Dyr · 02-01-2014 06:24PM

to quote bill hicks "theres a war going on and people on drugs are winning it"

InTheTrees · 02-01-2014 07:08PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Would it be fair to say that people who never used canapiss before will now use it simply cause it's legal?
So a whole new generation of young people will be hooked on it before they're 23

If a proportion of kids who would have got "hooked" on Alcohol now try Cannabis instead then thats a Good Thing.

Alcohol kills something like 70,000 people yearly in the US.

You cant die from Cannabis. And beng hooked on Alcahol is a life long sentence, while Cannabis can be quit easily in a few days (its as addictive as coffee).

My name is URL · 02-01-2014 07:40PM

I'm all for legalising it but arguing for that by comparing it to other substances etc is playing right into the hands of those who oppose changing the law.

All it does is strengthen the case for making other things illegal, or introducing more stringent restrictions on them. People aren't going to have their minds changed by you telling them it's safer than alcohol.. loads of things are safer than alcohol but their use shouldn't necessarily be justified by that fact. The debate should be treated on its own merits without relying on comparisons to argue either against or in favour of it.

UCDVet · 02-01-2014 07:54PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It would be fair to say a lot of people that wouldn't have tried it while it was illegal would try it now. My mother has said she'd love to try some but wouldn't while it's illegal.

Unlikely but that's some fine baseless assumptions you've made there. I think the age group most likely to take up weed in a big way is OAPs. Plenty are forced onto a raft of pills that weed could replace, I've seen plenty of curiosity from older people, especially those that have to deal with chronic pain which can become inevitable as you grow older.

If it were legal - I'd buy it.

Wattle · 02-01-2014 08:38PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm all for legalising it but arguing for that by comparing it to other substances etc is playing right into the hands of those who oppose changing the law.

All it does is strengthen the case for making other things illegal, or introducing more stringent restrictions on them. People aren't going to have their minds changed by you telling them it's safer than alcohol.. loads of things are safer than alcohol but their use shouldn't necessarily be justified by that fact. The debate should be treated on its own merits without relying on comparisons to argue either against or in favour of it.

No it doesn't. The argument is if society is prepared to tolerate a drug that does far more harm than cannabis then it's totally hypocritical to come down hard on cannabis users by fining them or giving them a criminal record. It's also counterproductive. Why should somebody who may have a lot to contribute have their career prospects ruined just for smoking a joint? If weed was legally available more people might be less inclined to binge drink
and switch to cannabis instead which would lead to less drink fueled crime.

Frank Garrett · 02-01-2014 09:38PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

You cant die from Cannabis. And beng hooked on Alcahol is a life long sentence, while Cannabis can be quit easily in a few days (its as addictive as coffee).

Apart from those who smoke it and die of lung cancer.

qaf · 02-01-2014 09:42PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

If a proportion of kids who would have got "hooked" on Alcohol now try Cannabis instead then thats a Good Thing.

Alcohol kills something like 70,000 people yearly in the US.

You cant die from Cannabis. And beng hooked on Alcahol is a life long sentence, while Cannabis can be quit easily in a few days (its as addictive as coffee).

You can't die from cannabis * except just like alcohol you can die in a car crash while stoned or a bunch of other activities. You actually have to try pretty hard to die solely from alcohol alone in the Western world. You either need to drink too much and not have anybody come to your aid (you get your stomach pumped and get kicked out of hospital the same day, same as lots of people in the US show up at ER solely because of weed) or drink continuously for decades and die from cancer or liver failure.

Also alcohol is not a lifelong sentence unless you believe in the Alcoholic Anonymous type philosophy. That philosophy works for some people but just as many people are alcoholics and give it up without them considering it a lifelong sentence. I would probably argue that the AA type people are the minority but that is just from my personal experience.

Also if anything weed and alcohol are more likely to be used together.

downonthefarm · 02-01-2014 09:52PM

Frank Garrett wrote: »

Apart from those who smoke it and die of lung cancer.

Oh dear

qaf · 02-01-2014 09:53PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why is the store charging dealer prices? Are they preying on the people who require it by holding them to ransom ?
Why is it expensive, you plant a seed it grows? Are daffodils 200$ a ounce ??

Researchers from the RAND Corporation that study marijuana say that if marijuana was fully legalized in the US it could be grown for $30-40 per pound for high quality bud. The reason they can charge dealer prices now is because;

- It is still illegal under federal law
- The states around it, marijuana is still illegal
- Legalization proponents need to point to the tax revenue to help sell it to other states
- Users are just happy that it is legal (meanwhile they probably buy their cigarettes off an Indian reservation to avoid paying the $3-4 tax but of course they are going to be happy to pay 10-20 times that in taxes once the novelty of legal weed wears off)

My name is URL · 02-01-2014 10:01PM

Wattle wrote: »

If weed was legally available more people might be less inclined to binge drink
and switch to cannabis instead which would lead to less drink fueled crime.

What is that based on?

syngindub · 02-01-2014 10:59PM

Binge Drinking and Drink Fuelled Crime is a different animal of an argument altogether.

if weed was legal...

many more people will happily socialise with a coffee + spliff option rather than go out and have 6-7 pints
I don't think that's too far fetched at all.

MadsL · 02-01-2014 11:17PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

You cant die from Cannabis.

I heard 37 people died the first day from weed overdoses (called whiteys) after smoking 6 whole marijuanas each.

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/01/02/marijuana-overdoses-kill-37-in-colorado-on-first-day-of-legalization/?fb_action_ids=586381321434848&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B565788636838974%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.likes%22%5D&action_ref_map

Colorado is reconsidering its decision to legalize recreational pot following the deaths of dozens due to marijuana overdoses.

According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on January 1st, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to use. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive.

Cannabis sales legal in Colorado as of tomorrow

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