Men V Women, whos most aggressive/competitive?

Wibbs · 24-12-2013 11:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that I keep hearing that yet have never seen an example of it?

In 20+ years of business I've seen it twice. That's in many different work environments and companies. As I said earlier one case she wasn't aggressive at all and would back up MS take, in the other case she was a prick really and if she had been a man no way would she have gotten away with it.

It's a meme, but I don't think it that common in reality at least anymore.

Annasopra · 24-12-2013 11:52AM

Wibbs wrote: »

In 20+ years of business I've seen it twice. That's in many different work environments and companies. As I said earlier one case she wasn't aggressive at all and would back up MS take, in the other case she was a prick really and if she had been a man no way would she have gotten away with it.

It's a meme, but I don't think it that common in reality at least anymore.

I've seen it myself quite a lot in various areas.

Wibbs · 24-12-2013 11:56AM

Maybe I only saw those two obvious ones and missed others? Defo possible.

Femme_Fatale · 24-12-2013 12:08PM

Men and women are definitely different, but aggressive people are aggressive people, and I'd imagine it's 50/50 between the genders. I know, I know, not axe-grinding enough of me.

In terms of reception, women as passive and men as aggressors is definitely NOT just a view held by women only, and that view is definitely changing, even though there's a way to go yet. I doubt anyone, bar a tiny handful here, honestly believes men are overall more aggressive and that women should be allowed to get away with being aggressive.

There are mixed messages too - when a guy is sensitive and wears his heart on his sleeve, he can get told to "man up".

Femme_Fatale · 24-12-2013 12:27PM

kupus wrote: »

Women in the business arena workplace are more competitive and focused than men.

Problem is when they go off having their babies. You have to pay for them. And their holidays. And their replacements. The replacements need time and energy to be trained. Then they come back, the replacement temp who is up to scratch on everything has to be let go, the new mammy comes in and are about as focused as a blurry picture. Then they have to be retrained again.

It would be great for business if they didnt have to pick up the bills on all of this btw, I know Im opening a can of worms here but facing facts, it just doesnt pay to hire women.

People have often said it - it's not controversial, soz. Women get maternity leave and it's a reasonable facility. Men should have paternity leave though.

stpaddy99 wrote: »

more focused in business that men? lol please show me the scientific evidence...Ive been in business 25 years and my observation is almost the total opposite give or take some exceptions to the rule
any females stared plumbing businesses? building? removals? carpentry? engineering? electrical? etc

Are you saying they're the only types of businesses women could set up?

Daqster wrote: »

Twas a joke. Merry Christmas.

Apologies, but that stuff does get said here not in jest.

Darkmire · 24-12-2013 12:34PM

I know women who genuinely believe its ok to hit men,but its not ok for men to hit women,are these women insane or what? I believe that the law fails to protect men in these areas and its quite understandable for men to defend themselves,after all i wouldnt go up and attack another man thats a foot taller and 100lbs heavier than me! if you can give it you can take it...just saying!

osarusan · 24-12-2013 12:54PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Isn't amazing how if a woman does something she gets labelled as agressive and this seen as a bad behaviour for her but if a man does the exact same he is seen as competitive or assertive and this is seen as a good behaviour for him

This does happen, but in my experience, a lot of the time the behaviour isn't actually the same at all. The women in question are being agressive to the point of rude/confrontational, and when this is pointed out/things don't go their way, their response is to make the same comment as above about double standards.

Shrobbs · 24-12-2013 01:11PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Men and women are definitely different, but aggressive people are aggressive people, and I'd imagine it's 50/50 between the genders. I know, I know, not axe-grinding enough of me.

In terms of reception, women as passive and men as aggressors is definitely NOT just a view held by women only, and that view is definitely changing, even though there's a way to go yet. I doubt anyone, bar a tiny handful here, honestly believes men are overall more aggressive and that women should be allowed to get away with being aggressive.

There are mixed messages too - when a guy is sensitive and wears his heart on his sleeve, he can get told to "man up".

On what basis do you think it's 50/50?

Femme_Fatale · 24-12-2013 01:55PM

Shrobbs wrote: »

On what basis do you think it's 50/50?

Law of averages.

Shrobbs · 24-12-2013 03:37PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Law of averages.

There isn't really a reason to assume it's 50/50, men and women's brains are different so it's a baseless assumption unless there are statistics or evidence to support it.

average hero · 24-12-2013 09:10PM

Darkmire wrote: »

I know women who genuinely believe its ok to hit men,but its not ok for men to hit women,are these women insane or what? I believe that the law fails to protect men in these areas and its quite understandable for men to defend themselves,after all i wouldnt go up and attack another man thats a foot taller and 100lbs heavier than me! if you can give it you can take it...just saying!

Speaking of this, I get hit on an irregular but all too frequent basis by drunken women (beating my chest, open hand slap) simply for doing my job. These are people in their worst of times admittedly but they would consider themselves complete LADIES when sober! Obviously, one never reacts, but as you said......what if? These strikes are more often than not 'sneaky' or when you're not expecting it. Guys generally say 'here's a punch coming in 5....4....3...etc' in their mannerisms

whupdedo · 24-12-2013 09:38PM

mango salsa wrote: »

I've seen it myself quite a lot in various areas.

Care to give us a bit of background, you've seen what in various areas, a little anecdotal evidence would not go astray, you may not agree with some of posts but statements like that make me think you actually haven't seen that much of it anywhere, at least wibbs gave us a bit of background

Lou.m · 24-12-2013 10:16PM

stpaddy99 wrote: »

Im usually told by the mainstream media, that my gender are often a bunch of overly aggressive overly competitive often war mongering Neanderthal abusers ....who don't listen and fight all day

BUT , my personal experience is somewhat different, the women in my life over the years argue about 100 times more than the blokes, its like a national sport....the scream and fight and tear each others eyes out over matters as important as what dress another lady wears....This has been my experience at school at work at home, at the doctors surgery, even in hospitals lately, in my 40+ years on the planet. They seem to me to be consistently more argumentative, more aggressive, more competitive in almost every area of life. Blokes are competitive on the football pitch, then they switch off the other 160 hours of the week.

Yet nothing on mainstream tv represents this reality? is my life that different from the rest of society ? is it time we had these so called experts re-evaluate human and in particular female behaviour? no time Id not be allowed to ask such a question on mainstream media? why? is it time we had the right to reply?

I think the fact that a man asked this question and the way he asked it answers it to be honest.

You asked the question with an argument and shaped the question into a competition between men and women.

Lando Griffin · 24-12-2013 10:18PM

The OH wanted some selection boxes for the nieces and nephews but everywhere was sold out a few days ago.
She rang me at work yesterday to ask if I could check the shops near by.
No problem says I and took off work 1/2 hour early to get them.
I drove to 6 different shops before alas I got some so rang her to ask how many I should get.
"5" she replied, "how much are they?" she added.
I asked the lady at the counter to price check them and advised the OH they were 2:75 each.
" Oh she said dont bother they are only 2.00 in Tescos.
I rest my case.

enfant terrible · 24-12-2013 10:33PM

stpaddy99 wrote: »

No its the exact opposite....any competitive behaviour or so called passion shown by men is called aggressive and called bad.....yet women argue way way way more than men all day long and are never labelled aggressive.....theres always an excuse for their appalling behaviour....theyre just being emotional or caring or passionate....the entire mainstream media now demonises men and maleness .....yet women are far more argumentative, far more aggressive and far more competitive in the most inappropriate areas of life such as image, materialism etc....men simply compete in the market place ...when the job is over men switch off from competition, women don't , ever

the society we have constructed is wholly biased against men and labels all male characteristics as negative....women can say anything they like about men on mainstream media and even in the workplace where they will get away with it....men cant say a word....even in jobs like customer services or medical receptionists

Funny think I noticed when I was watching a lot of crime documentaries lately.

When it was male killers it was the usual they are evil sadistic murders.

But when it was female killers they always looked for excuses or reasons for their crimes, child abuse in their youth, abusive husband/boyfriend etc.

Hande hoche! · 24-12-2013 10:47PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Funny think I noticed when I was watching a lot of crime documentaries lately.

When it was male killers it was the usual they are evil sadistic murders.

But when it was female killers they always looked for excuses or reasons for their crimes, child abuse in their youth, abusive husband/boyfriend etc.

Been watching Women who kill?

enfant terrible · 24-12-2013 11:31PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Been watching Women who kill?

Think it was called Deadly Women

stpaddy99 · 25-12-2013 05:05AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Funny think I noticed when I was watching a lot of crime documentaries lately.

When it was male killers it was the usual they are evil sadistic murders.

But when it was female killers they always looked for excuses or reasons for their crimes, child abuse in their youth, abusive husband/boyfriend etc.

most female murderers get shorter sentences for reasons such a sdiminished responsibilities, emotional instability, they always take other factors on board like claims the male victim either controlled them or manipulated them etc
this years resolution should be from all men to demand, equality works both ways in all ways

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-12-2013 06:20AM

My father often's regales stories from his youth when he was part of the Junior Chamber of Commerce (70s), and the amount of bitching and catfighting that went on inhouse. It was only then he realised why the Freemasons and local golf club wouldn't take women members.

Men V Women, whos most aggressive/competitive?

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