Men V Women, whos most aggressive/competitive?

stpaddy99

Im usually told by the mainstream media, that my gender are often a bunch of overly aggressive overly competitive often war mongering Neanderthal abusers ....who don't listen and fight all day

BUT , my personal experience is somewhat different, the women in my life over the years argue about 100 times more than the blokes, its like a national sport....the scream and fight and tear each others eyes out over matters as important as what dress another lady wears....This has been my experience at school at work at home, at the doctors surgery, even in hospitals lately, in my 40+ years on the planet. They seem to me to be consistently more argumentative, more aggressive, more competitive in almost every area of life. Blokes are competitive on the football pitch, then they switch off the other 160 hours of the week.

Yet nothing on mainstream tv represents this reality? is my life that different from the rest of society ? is it time we had these so called experts re-evaluate human and in particular female behaviour? no time Id not be allowed to ask such a question on mainstream media? why? is it time we had the right to reply?

Mint Aero

We're men, we're great. That is all.

wretcheddomain

Change the title of the thread to 'My take on sexism'

Artful_Badger

I think they are the same but in different ways and that differs between individuals at different levels depending on which side they fall on.

Daqster

OP, did you just say that the patriarchy is a myth propagated by ne'er-do-wells and that really the western world is goverened by misandrist matriarchal lobby groups that are the ones who are really pulling all the strings behind the scenes?

You're fcuked! :eek:

stpaddy99

stpaddy99 wrote: »

Im usually told by the mainstream media, that my gender are often a bunch of overly aggressive overly competitive often war mongering Neanderthal abusers ....who don't listen and fight all day

BUT , my personal experience is somewhat different, the women in my life over the years argue about 100 times more than the blokes, its like a national sport....the scream and fight and tear each others eyes out over matters as important as what dress another lady wears....This has been my experience at school at work at home, at the doctors surgery, even in hospitals lately, in my 40+ years on the planet. They seem to me to be consistently more argumentative, more aggressive, more competitive in almost every area of life. Blokes are competitive on the football pitch, then they switch off the other 160 hours of the week.

Yet nothing on mainstream tv represents this reality? is my life that different from the rest of society ? is it time we had these so called experts re-evaluate human and in particular female behaviour? no time Id not be allowed to ask such a question on mainstream media? why? is it time we had the right to reply?

The right to reply to what, exactly?

Your observations are based on what you perceive from the behaviour of the women in your life, as you said. And that's it. I've never seen any women tear each others eyes out, or scream and fight on a constant basis.

Newsflash. There are more women in the world than the ones you know. Assuming we're all the same leads to confirmation bias.

kupus

Women in the business arena workplace are more competitive and focused than men.

Problem is when they go off having their babies. You have to pay for them. And their holidays. And their replacements. The replacements need time and energy to be trained. Then they come back, the replacement temp who is up to scratch on everything has to be let go, the new mammy comes in and are about as focused as a blurry picture. Then they have to be retrained again.

It would be great for business if they didnt have to pick up the bills on all of this btw, I know Im opening a can of worms here but facing facts, it just doesnt pay to hire women.

I wonder will this be a can of whoopass!!!!!!!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Women are the most aggressive and if there's a man making a big deal out of something I automatically assume he's gay

_Redzer_

As much as people love to say men and women are exactly the same we're just not. That's our biology. That's not a bad thing either. We both have slightly different leanings in our design.

The Diabolical Monocle

Oh you better recognize when it come to a baby momma keepin her good man.

dont go there honey, dont even aks.

comin round here with yo weave an yo fake nails.

average hero

Working security and bar in a busy city centre pub gives you an interesting insight into the differences between the two genders.

Irish men are generally more easy-going and less competitive overall. If confrontation occurs, it goes verbal with the odd few going to handbags/fisticuffs. Most of it starts off as something silly and pride stops people from backing down rather than actually 'wanting' to fight.

Irish women will rarely physically fight but will be more competitive. I've seen women fight over different men (verbally) and they tend to be more competitive with regards to wearing the same clothes, passing comments on each other, spilling drinks etc. A woman actually threatened to report me for rape a number of weeks ago if I didn't allow her to smoke indoors. Horrible sap.

TL:DR - Both genders are aggressive/competitive in my experience, but it's just that one gender choose to solve it one way, one chooses to solve it another way.

pharmaton

you should all be in bed


(men and women are equally aggressive, its just in men its seen as more normal male behavior and a non issue, when women operate in an aggressive way its seen as abject behaviour and not very womanly and therefore raises more concern, women are not supposed to be 'strong')

stpaddy99

pharmaton wrote: »

you should all be in bed


(men and women are equally aggressive, its just in men its seen as more normal male behavior and a non issue, when women operate in an aggressive way its seen as abject behaviour and not very womanly and therefore raises more concern, women are not supposed to be 'strong')

I disagree 100%....It seems that womens form of aggression is wholly different , it also seems to last a lot longer than the male who loses his temper then calms down afterwards...clearly female aggression has not been studied and understood nor even discussed closely enough. In fact its become socially impossible for men to even discuss it in the mainstream media as that male will be ostracised a a mysoginist....whereas foul mouthed women like Sharon osbourne go on chat shows and ridicule men whove had their penises cut off? hilarious? elsewhere a man like andy gray gets fired for making a harmless gag about a female lineswoman? double standards much? clearly this si a cultural issue in the UK where the jokes only go one way, if a woman says it were meant to laugh it off, if a man says it his career and reputation is destroyed

stpaddy99

kupus wrote: »

Women in the business arena workplace are more competitive and focused than men.

Problem is when they go off having their babies. You have to pay for them. And their holidays. And their replacements. The replacements need time and energy to be trained. Then they come back, the replacement temp who is up to scratch on everything has to be let go, the new mammy comes in and are about as focused as a blurry picture. Then they have to be retrained again.

It would be great for business if they didnt have to pick up the bills on all of this btw, I know Im opening a can of worms here but facing facts, it just doesnt pay to hire women.

I wonder will this be a can of whoopass!!!!!!!

more focused in business that men? lol please show me the scientific evidence...Ive been in business 25 years and my observation is almost the total opposite give or take some exceptions to the rule
any females stared plumbing businesses? building? removals? carpentry? engineering? electrical? etc There should be more but theres not and that's entirely down to women to stop taking short cuts... if by focussed you mean desire of money , I agree. Me are clearly better on focussing on one task at hand.

"Agressive" - men.
"Competitive" - men.
Actually competitive - women.

Mickey H

average hero wrote: »

Working security and bar in a busy city centre pub gives you an interesting insight into the differences between the two genders.

Irish men are generally more easy-going and less competitive overall. If confrontation occurs, it goes verbal with the odd few going to handbags/fisticuffs. Most of it starts off as something silly and pride stops people from backing down rather than actually 'wanting' to fight.

Irish women will rarely physically fight but will be more competitive. I've seen women fight over different men (verbally) and they tend to be more competitive with regards to wearing the same clothes, passing comments on each other, spilling drinks etc. A woman actually threatened to report me for rape a number of weeks ago if I didn't allow her to smoke indoors. Horrible sap.

TL:DR - Both genders are aggressive/competitive in my experience, but it's just that one gender choose to solve it one way, one chooses to solve it another way.

Silly bitch. I assume you barred her?

pharmaton

its ok Paddy we know men are better at being human beings, no need to get into a competition about it.

Francisco Durden

In the 100s of nights I've been out, I've seen women physically fight more than men. The men I do see fighting are usually fighting over a woman.

I once seen a bunch of women jump a girl, then her boyfriend tried to break-it-up, and a group of guys came along and assumed he was hitting women (he was just pushing them away) so they jumped him too. The guy ended up in hospital.

Dolbert

Girls are smelly

Legs.Eleven

Didn't get the ride last night?

Darkmire

From working in public security i can tell you,women are far more aggressive,paranoid and manipulative,men are more competitive and tend to work and cooperate more in team situations.

From my experience Men can be as bad or worse than women,but in general its on a far smaller scale.

FizzleSticks

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Femme_Fatale

Daqster wrote: »

OP, did you just say that the patriarchy is a myth propagated by ne'er-do-wells and that really the western world is goverened by misandrist matriarchal lobby groups that are the ones who are really pulling all the strings behind the scenes?

You're fcuked! :eek:

Not f'ucked, but yeh it would be very stupid indeed to say "the western world is governed by misandrist matriarchal lobby groups that are the ones who are really pulling all the strings behind the scenes".

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Women are the most aggressive and if there's a man making a big deal out of something I automatically assume he's gay

Your behaviour doesn't represent that of all women.

stpaddy99

finally soeal life anecdotes that reflect the true reality...Ive many friends who are cops who say they can infinitely more abuse off women than men , often because they think they can get away with it

Wibbs

average hero wrote: »

TL:DR - Both genders are aggressive/competitive in my experience, but it's just that one gender choose to solve it one way, one chooses to solve it another way.

This would be my take. In very broad strokes of course, as there are few enough diffs between the sexes. A Venn diagram would have pretty slim crescents going on either side of the majority centre. The only obvious diffs I've noted between Women(tm) and Men(tm) are again broadly in the areas of romance/reproduction and some emotional states. I have found Women(tm) are more like to run off an emotion and the emotional state of others and also more likely to rely on/believe in their "gut feelings" and from that are more likely to extrapolate stuff like fate/fortune tellers/horoscopes/angels and stuff. A larger percentage of women buy into that stuff than men. Still a fair chunk of women don't.

Agression? About the same, the individuals personality has more to play here but as Average hero says the genders can come at it from slightly different directions.

Daqster

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

..it would be very stupid indeed to say "the western world is governed by misandrist matriarchal lobby groups that are the ones who are really pulling all the strings behind the scenes".

Twas a joke. Merry Christmas.

Wibbs

pharmaton wrote: »

you should all be in bed

(men and women are equally aggressive, its just in men its seen as more normal male behavior and a non issue, when women operate in an aggressive way its seen as abject behaviour and not very womanly and therefore raises more concern, women are not supposed to be 'strong')

There is a lot to that alright P, though it could be argued that women are also more likely to get a free pass they might not get if they were men. I can think of two examples of this two way street. Women who have been accused of being aggressive by some men(and women). Standing back from the outside, if I was to apply the "imagine she was a man, what would happen?" lens? One of them is not aggressive, she knows her shít and is if anything calm and collected and yes if she were a man it wouldn't even register. The other? If she was a man and survived a month without getting called into a physical fight I'd be surprised.

Annasopra

Deleted User wrote: »

"Agressive" - men.
"Competitive" - men.
Actually competitive - women.

Behaviour in women = Agressive
Behavior in men = Competitive
Behaviour = Same

Isn't amazing how if a woman does something she gets labelled as agressive and this seen as a bad behaviour for her but if a man does the exact same he is seen as competitive or assertive and this is seen as a good behaviour for him

stpaddy99

mango salsa wrote: »

Behaviour in women = Agressive
Behavior in men = Competitive
Behaviour = Same

Isn't amazing how if a woman does something she gets labelled as agressive and this seen as a bad behaviour for her but if a man does the exact same he is seen as competitive or assertive and this is seen as a good behaviour for him

No its the exact opposite....any competitive behaviour or so called passion shown by men is called aggressive and called bad.....yet women argue way way way more than men all day long and are never labelled aggressive.....theres always an excuse for their appalling behaviour....theyre just being emotional or caring or passionate....the entire mainstream media now demonises men and maleness .....yet women are far more argumentative, far more aggressive and far more competitive in the most inappropriate areas of life such as image, materialism etc....men simply compete in the market place ...when the job is over men switch off from competition, women don't , ever

the society we have constructed is wholly biased against men and labels all male characteristics as negative....women can say anything they like about men on mainstream media and even in the workplace where they will get away with it....men cant say a word....even in jobs like customer services or medical receptionists

mango salsa

mango salsa wrote: »

Behaviour in women = Agressive
Behavior in men = Competitive
Behaviour = Same

Isn't amazing how if a woman does something she gets labelled as agressive and this seen as a bad behaviour for her but if a man does the exact same he is seen as competitive or assertive and this is seen as a good behaviour for him

Isn't it amazing that I keep hearing that yet have never seen an example of it? Narcissistic bull**** for people with poor social skills, if it ever actually does happen.

Hande hoche!

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that I keep hearing that yet have never seen an example of it? Narcissistic bull**** for people with poor social skills, if it ever actually does happen.

Broad generalizations are easier.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that I keep hearing that yet have never seen an example of it?

In 20+ years of business I've seen it twice. That's in many different work environments and companies. As I said earlier one case she wasn't aggressive at all and would back up MS take, in the other case she was a prick really and if she had been a man no way would she have gotten away with it.

It's a meme, but I don't think it that common in reality at least anymore.

Annasopra

Wibbs wrote: »

In 20+ years of business I've seen it twice. That's in many different work environments and companies. As I said earlier one case she wasn't aggressive at all and would back up MS take, in the other case she was a prick really and if she had been a man no way would she have gotten away with it.

It's a meme, but I don't think it that common in reality at least anymore.

I've seen it myself quite a lot in various areas.

Wibbs

Maybe I only saw those two obvious ones and missed others? Defo possible.

Femme_Fatale

Men and women are definitely different, but aggressive people are aggressive people, and I'd imagine it's 50/50 between the genders. I know, I know, not axe-grinding enough of me.

In terms of reception, women as passive and men as aggressors is definitely NOT just a view held by women only, and that view is definitely changing, even though there's a way to go yet. I doubt anyone, bar a tiny handful here, honestly believes men are overall more aggressive and that women should be allowed to get away with being aggressive.

There are mixed messages too - when a guy is sensitive and wears his heart on his sleeve, he can get told to "man up".

Femme_Fatale

kupus wrote: »

Women in the business arena workplace are more competitive and focused than men.

Problem is when they go off having their babies. You have to pay for them. And their holidays. And their replacements. The replacements need time and energy to be trained. Then they come back, the replacement temp who is up to scratch on everything has to be let go, the new mammy comes in and are about as focused as a blurry picture. Then they have to be retrained again.

It would be great for business if they didnt have to pick up the bills on all of this btw, I know Im opening a can of worms here but facing facts, it just doesnt pay to hire women.

People have often said it - it's not controversial, soz. Women get maternity leave and it's a reasonable facility. Men should have paternity leave though.

stpaddy99 wrote: »

more focused in business that men? lol please show me the scientific evidence...Ive been in business 25 years and my observation is almost the total opposite give or take some exceptions to the rule
any females stared plumbing businesses? building? removals? carpentry? engineering? electrical? etc

Are you saying they're the only types of businesses women could set up?

Daqster wrote: »

Twas a joke. Merry Christmas.

Apologies, but that stuff does get said here not in jest.

Darkmire

I know women who genuinely believe its ok to hit men,but its not ok for men to hit women,are these women insane or what? I believe that the law fails to protect men in these areas and its quite understandable for men to defend themselves,after all i wouldnt go up and attack another man thats a foot taller and 100lbs heavier than me! if you can give it you can take it...just saying!

osarusan

mango salsa wrote: »

Isn't amazing how if a woman does something she gets labelled as agressive and this seen as a bad behaviour for her but if a man does the exact same he is seen as competitive or assertive and this is seen as a good behaviour for him

This does happen, but in my experience, a lot of the time the behaviour isn't actually the same at all. The women in question are being agressive to the point of rude/confrontational, and when this is pointed out/things don't go their way, their response is to make the same comment as above about double standards.

Shrobbs

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Men and women are definitely different, but aggressive people are aggressive people, and I'd imagine it's 50/50 between the genders. I know, I know, not axe-grinding enough of me.

In terms of reception, women as passive and men as aggressors is definitely NOT just a view held by women only, and that view is definitely changing, even though there's a way to go yet. I doubt anyone, bar a tiny handful here, honestly believes men are overall more aggressive and that women should be allowed to get away with being aggressive.

There are mixed messages too - when a guy is sensitive and wears his heart on his sleeve, he can get told to "man up".

On what basis do you think it's 50/50?

Femme_Fatale

Shrobbs wrote: »

On what basis do you think it's 50/50?

Law of averages.

Shrobbs

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Law of averages.

There isn't really a reason to assume it's 50/50, men and women's brains are different so it's a baseless assumption unless there are statistics or evidence to support it.

average hero

Darkmire wrote: »

I know women who genuinely believe its ok to hit men,but its not ok for men to hit women,are these women insane or what? I believe that the law fails to protect men in these areas and its quite understandable for men to defend themselves,after all i wouldnt go up and attack another man thats a foot taller and 100lbs heavier than me! if you can give it you can take it...just saying!

Speaking of this, I get hit on an irregular but all too frequent basis by drunken women (beating my chest, open hand slap) simply for doing my job. These are people in their worst of times admittedly but they would consider themselves complete LADIES when sober! Obviously, one never reacts, but as you said......what if? These strikes are more often than not 'sneaky' or when you're not expecting it. Guys generally say 'here's a punch coming in 5....4....3...etc' in their mannerisms

whupdedo

mango salsa wrote: »

I've seen it myself quite a lot in various areas.

Care to give us a bit of background, you've seen what in various areas, a little anecdotal evidence would not go astray, you may not agree with some of posts but statements like that make me think you actually haven't seen that much of it anywhere, at least wibbs gave us a bit of background

Lou.m

stpaddy99 wrote: »

Im usually told by the mainstream media, that my gender are often a bunch of overly aggressive overly competitive often war mongering Neanderthal abusers ....who don't listen and fight all day

BUT , my personal experience is somewhat different, the women in my life over the years argue about 100 times more than the blokes, its like a national sport....the scream and fight and tear each others eyes out over matters as important as what dress another lady wears....This has been my experience at school at work at home, at the doctors surgery, even in hospitals lately, in my 40+ years on the planet. They seem to me to be consistently more argumentative, more aggressive, more competitive in almost every area of life. Blokes are competitive on the football pitch, then they switch off the other 160 hours of the week.

Yet nothing on mainstream tv represents this reality? is my life that different from the rest of society ? is it time we had these so called experts re-evaluate human and in particular female behaviour? no time Id not be allowed to ask such a question on mainstream media? why? is it time we had the right to reply?

I think the fact that a man asked this question and the way he asked it answers it to be honest.

You asked the question with an argument and shaped the question into a competition between men and women.

Lando Griffin

The OH wanted some selection boxes for the nieces and nephews but everywhere was sold out a few days ago.
She rang me at work yesterday to ask if I could check the shops near by.
No problem says I and took off work 1/2 hour early to get them.
I drove to 6 different shops before alas I got some so rang her to ask how many I should get.
"5" she replied, "how much are they?" she added.
I asked the lady at the counter to price check them and advised the OH they were 2:75 each.
" Oh she said dont bother they are only 2.00 in Tescos.
I rest my case.

enfant terrible

stpaddy99 wrote: »

No its the exact opposite....any competitive behaviour or so called passion shown by men is called aggressive and called bad.....yet women argue way way way more than men all day long and are never labelled aggressive.....theres always an excuse for their appalling behaviour....theyre just being emotional or caring or passionate....the entire mainstream media now demonises men and maleness .....yet women are far more argumentative, far more aggressive and far more competitive in the most inappropriate areas of life such as image, materialism etc....men simply compete in the market place ...when the job is over men switch off from competition, women don't , ever

the society we have constructed is wholly biased against men and labels all male characteristics as negative....women can say anything they like about men on mainstream media and even in the workplace where they will get away with it....men cant say a word....even in jobs like customer services or medical receptionists

Funny think I noticed when I was watching a lot of crime documentaries lately.

When it was male killers it was the usual they are evil sadistic murders.

But when it was female killers they always looked for excuses or reasons for their crimes, child abuse in their youth, abusive husband/boyfriend etc.

Hande hoche!

enfant terrible wrote: »

Funny think I noticed when I was watching a lot of crime documentaries lately.

When it was male killers it was the usual they are evil sadistic murders.

But when it was female killers they always looked for excuses or reasons for their crimes, child abuse in their youth, abusive husband/boyfriend etc.

Been watching Women who kill?

enfant terrible

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Been watching Women who kill?

Think it was called Deadly Women

stpaddy99

enfant terrible wrote: »

Funny think I noticed when I was watching a lot of crime documentaries lately.

When it was male killers it was the usual they are evil sadistic murders.

But when it was female killers they always looked for excuses or reasons for their crimes, child abuse in their youth, abusive husband/boyfriend etc.

most female murderers get shorter sentences for reasons such a sdiminished responsibilities, emotional instability, they always take other factors on board like claims the male victim either controlled them or manipulated them etc
this years resolution should be from all men to demand, equality works both ways in all ways

DEFTLEFTHAND

My father often's regales stories from his youth when he was part of the Junior Chamber of Commerce (70s), and the amount of bitching and catfighting that went on inhouse. It was only then he realised why the Freemasons and local golf club wouldn't take women members.