Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Antifa161 · 20-12-2013 01:24AM

Dempsey wrote: »

If I suggested anything it was ridiculous to think that the GB had no involvement, nothing else.

Yeah that's fair enough. Lets be honest though none of this is about finding out which Celtic fans broke some seats, it's about finding out which Green Brigade members broke some seats.

I do agree about the Shame Game and I've said as much when it comes to freedom of speech in the UK. That night was used as an excuse to erode it further.

It genuinely pissed me off the way no journalists had the bollocks to call a spade a spade and apportion blame correctly. It wasn't us that had a load of players sent off or received a disproportionately high number of arrests. The Lennon/McCoist spat summed it all up really - one manager obviously reacts to what another says, the two go at it and the instigator walks away scott free while the other receives a hefty ban. I know a lot of complete neutrals that were absolutely baffled by that decision. I think it was a real low point for the Scottish game, a lot of the most rotten elements of the SFA came to the fore around that time, and I don't think it was any coincidence with what was going on at Ibrox. Desperate times, desperate measures.

When I say help themselves, I mean dont do anything the police,stewards, clubs SPFL, UEFA etc can use against them. 1st rule of politics is be like teflon, make sure nothing sticks! Naive to think you can break rules whilst protesting other ones or rub people up the wrong way and have nothing come back at you imo.

Of course it makes sense in theory but in practise you're basically telling them that in order to protest against the people telling them how to behave, they must behave how those people are telling them to.

Apparently a football stadium is the wrong place to protest against unfair rules governing what you're allowed to do in a football stadium. It's all a bit of a paradox.

Jelle1880 · 20-12-2013 01:35AM

Antifa161 wrote: »

It genuinely pissed me off the way no journalists had the bollocks to call a spade a spade and apportion blame correctly. It wasn't us that had a load of players sent off or received a disproportionately high number of arrests. The Lennon/McCoist spat summed it all up really - one manager obviously reacts to what another says, the two go at it and the instigator walks away scott free while the other receives a hefty ban. I know a lot of complete neutrals that were absolutely baffled by that decision. I think it was a real low point for the Scottish game, a lot of the most rotten elements of the SFA came to the fore around that time, and I don't think it was any coincidence with what was going on at Ibrox. Desperate times, desperate measures.

This **** again ?

Having players sent off has nothing to do with a so-called 'shame game'.

A disproportionately high number of arrests ? Not that much more or less than the game earlier that year.

I was actually at the game itself and didn't really notice much sectarianism, there was no trouble in or outside the ground what so ever,...
The media of course loved it, but that doesn't make it a genuine 'shame game'.
There have also been no numbers produced to show what fanbase had the most arrests during and after the game.

You seem very well versed in the 'it wisnae us', I assume you have proof of what was said between McCoist and Lennon to back up your claim about who started it ?

And last but not least, indicating that the SFA wanted to get the attention away from what was going on at Ibrox, are you for real ? Because the SFA are our best pals ?

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 01:37AM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Apparently a football stadium is the wrong place to protest against unfair rules governing what you're allowed to do in a football stadium. It's all a bit of a paradox.

Who sets the legal requirements for Celtic or any other club regarding their stadium? In short, government...

Protesting unfair rules within a stadium, you are subject to all the rules governing stadiums and under rights as a football fan. Basically, there are more laws that can trip you up as a protester when in a stadium at a football match and considering the CCTV, stewards & police, making life difficult/convictions is easier in that environment! The one reason you protest in a stadium is the exposure but you need to get spot on because its a double edged sword as found out at the Milan game.

Antifa161 · 20-12-2013 01:45AM

Dempsey wrote: »

Who sets the legal requirements for Celtic or any other club regarding their stadium? In short, government...

Protesting unfair rules within a stadium, you are subject to all the rules governing stadiums and under rights as a football fan. Basically, there are more laws that can trip you up as a protester when in a stadium at a football match and considering the CCTV, stewards & police, making life difficult/convictions is easier in that environment! The one reason you protest in a stadium is the exposure but you need to get spot on because its a double edged sword as found out at the Milan game.

There is an element of martyrdom about it though. When protesting against perceived injustices/double standards/oppression sometimes being punished is worth it in the long run. The Milan display is an excellent example - had it passed without issue then the GB would have been made look a bit silly/petty/paranoid. Instead the reaction completely vindicated them and the point they were making. The Mandela stuff a few days later managed to hammer the point home even more. I know a few people completely against all the Ra stuff, especially at the football, but they said themselves that the reaction to the protest followed by the Mandela stuff was nigh on indefensible.

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 01:59AM

They should have led with with Mandela portrait and a quote with Maggie Thatcher about him being a terrorist at the Milan game, heads would still be spinning regardless of whether Mandela pass away soon after. The GB couldnt resist the opportunity to shoe horn their politics directly into the issue. Using Mandela, knowing his opinions about Sands and his imprisonment, they could have killed a flock of geese with one stone!

RoisinD · 20-12-2013 09:46AM

Dempsey wrote: »

Still managed to avoid answering my questions and ignored their form for breaking seats in section 111 at several matches. Are you still convincing yourself that the GB had nothing to do with Fir Park. It was someone else that put GB stickers on the broken seats. It wasnt the GB just supporters of the GB that buy merchandise, right? I'd say anything short of police reports & CCTV footage wont convince you since you believe the media are in on this "conspiracy".

You and indeed the GB say seats get broken all the time yet we are suppose to accept the argument that seats get broken all the time in various stadiums at away games but just never by any of their members! Given their unwillingness to take responsibility for anything they do, I'll call bullshít.

I've been to CP plenty of times, didnt notice people breaking seats tbh.

What sort of customer are you looking to be?

I addressed you question but it seems you are selective in what you read and how you choose to answer.

Let me make it clear once again. I condemn all deliberate vandalism whether it be breaking seats in 111 or outwith. Whether it be in Celtic Park, New Fouglas Park or Falkirk.

You said: You and indeed the GB say seats get broken all the time

What I said: If so you will be well aware that seats are broken all over the stadium particularly at big games.
Subtle difference but nonetheless different to your interpretation something which seems to be a common feature in your replies.
I suspect that whatever I or anyone says there are some, similar to yourself who will find the GB responsible for everything that is wrong with Celtic and the PLC. As I have already stated if they are guilty of deliberate vandalism then deal with them through the proper channels.
Will never be a customer so no worries for me there.

On another note good luck to the Green Brigade with their FOOD DRIVE on Saturday.

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 11:47AM

RoisinD wrote: »

I addressed you question but it seems you are selective in what you read and how you choose to answer.

Let me make it clear once again. I condemn all deliberate vandalism whether it be breaking seats in 111 or outwith. Whether it be in Celtic Park, New Fouglas Park or Falkirk.

You said: You and indeed the GB say seats get broken all the time

What I said: If so you will be well aware that seats are broken all over the stadium particularly at big games.
Subtle difference but nonetheless different to your interpretation something which seems to be a common feature in your replies.
I suspect that whatever I or anyone says there are some, similar to yourself who will find the GB responsible for everything that is wrong with Celtic and the PLC. As I have already stated if they are guilty of deliberate vandalism then deal with them through the proper channels.
Will never be a customer so no worries for me there.

On another note good luck to the Green Brigade with their FOOD DRIVE on Saturday.

You can plead ignorance all you like, we both know that GB members have vandalised seats in stadiums, whether they have been punished for it or not. You've a terrible time acknowledging the reality of the situation. You are claiming that I'm saying GB are responsible for everything and anything, I suggest you go back and read more of my posts, I never said that.

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 01:02PM

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25462597

Celtic full-back Mikael Lustig will be out of action for four months after undergoing a double hip operation.

Neil Lennon wrote:

"The procedure was a bit more in-depth than first thought.

"We are hoping he will be back around March-April time.

"He had a lot of work done, so it makes his recent performances even more remarkable really. He was in a lot of pain after games."

"It needed doing and hopefully he will come back an even better player, which would be brilliant for us," added Lennon.

"He's a big player in [the] team and [we are] going to miss him, but we have someone to fill his shoes.

"We have Adam and Darnell and even myself, as I can play in the right-back position. But we will miss him."

Lennon looking to get his boots on again :pac:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25464772

Celtic manager Neil Lennon has urged Georgios Samaras and Joe Ledley to give him an indication of whether they are willing to consider new contracts.

" We are planning for next season, " said Lennon.

"And obviously we would like some sort of indication as to what they're going to do."

"The ball is all very much in their court," said the manager. "It's getting to the point where there will be a lot of speculation.

"We've made it clear that we are willing to speak them and we have spoken to Joe already on the situation, but we've heard nothing back.

"The contracts are up in the summer and they are two players we don't want to go, but we can't force them to stay.

"We are doing everything we can at the minute to do that.

"We have had no indication either way of what the players want to do.

"It's a difficult situation for us and for them. We spoke to both of them personally a while back but had nothing back since."

Poor form from both players that they've not come back with proper responses. Both should be dropped at this stage.

EDIT

Iceland striker Alfred Finnbogason has delivered a blow to Celtic's hopes of signing him by revealing that his dream is to play in English football should he leave Heerenveen.

Full story: Daily Record (print edition)

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/449645/West-Ham-aim-to-foil-Celtic-s-iceman-chase

West Ham could scupper Celtic's hopes of signing Alfred Finnbogason as the English Premier League club have also had the Heerenveen striker watched as they search for a new striker.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/lazio-deny-planning-move-for-georgios-samaras-1-3239444

Georgios Samaras' potential move to Serie A disappeared in confusion as Lazio declared that the Celtic striker is not one of their transfer targets in January despite newspaper reports of a likely January bid.

Antifa161 · 20-12-2013 01:17PM

I'd be sickened to see Ledley go. A part of me understands why he might go to Cardiff and fair play to him, boyhood club now in the Prem etc, but if he was to leave on a free when he could easily sign a new deal and go for a few million in the summer I would be quite embittered.

Samaras I don't particularly care about. I will not remember him as a good player for us.

RoisinD wrote:

Something morbidly amusing about seeing the likes of Lawwell claim the GB are a cancer to the club and its reputation because they set off some flares, yet they are the running these food drives while he's refusing to pay staff an honest wage. If Walfrid was about today he'd kick his c*nt in :pac:

PauloMN · 20-12-2013 01:17PM

Dempsey wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25462597

Celtic full-back Mikael Lustig will be out of action for four months after undergoing a double hip operation.

Lennon looking to get his boots on again :pac:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25464772

Celtic manager Neil Lennon has urged Georgios Samaras and Joe Ledley to give him an indication of whether they are willing to consider new contracts.

Poor form from both players that they've not come back with proper responses. Both should be dropped at this stage.

Agents are the problem as per usual I'd say, playing games. I like both players and wouldn't like to lose either of them, especially Ledley as he seems to be maturing into a very decent player, but at the same time I'd not let either of them hold the club to ransom.

PauloMN · 20-12-2013 01:20PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Something morbidly amusing about seeing the likes of Lawwell claim the GB are a cancer to the club and its reputation because they set off some flares, yet they are the running these food drives while he's refusing to pay staff an honest wage. If Walfrid was about today he'd kick his c*nt in :pac:

Did he actually say that? Have you a quote?

This whole GB thing is getting really tiresome btw.

keeponhurling · 20-12-2013 02:07PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Poor form from both players that they've not come back with proper responses. Both should be dropped at this stage.

Well from the players' point of view, it's a pretty big decision to make.
they need time to think about it and maybe want to look at other offers available. That's football, it's just a job for them.

The contract runs until the end of the season, so as long as they are playing well there's no reason to drop them.

The club could say that either they sign by a certain date, or the offer is withdrawn, but doubt they'll do that.

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 02:14PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Well from the players' point of view, it's a pretty big decision to make.
they need time to think about it and maybe want to look at other offers available. That's football, it's just a job for them.

The contract runs until the end of the season, so as long as they are playing well there's no reason to drop them.

The club could say that either they sign by a certain date, or the offer is withdrawn, but doubt they'll do that.

It is a big decision but it not like they've been put on the spot about making the decision. They've been sitting on their contract offers for almost a month.

Both have been saying before that they are looking to commit to the club. If the contract offers werent acceptable, they would have been rejected a long time ago. Lennon wants his answer now, i.e. before the january window opens. That deadline has been known for a while now.

Lennon is using the next 6 months to prepare for UCL qualifiers. At this stage, you want to know if these lads are in for the long haul or if their heads are somewhere else. I rather see Lennon get the team that going to playing qualifiers sorted than appease Samaras or Ledley. No point wasting gametime on players that dont see their future here.

Lennonist · 20-12-2013 02:27PM

I'd drop both of them immediately and sell them for the highest price possible in January. Might get 2 million for the two of them.

Edit: BTW someone should be strung up - Lawell - if we miss out on Finnbogason 'cos we didn't get the finger out and spend the money we had to sign him last summer. If West Ham are in for him, then it's likely he'll go there.

Any news on this Aran Johannson link, anyone know is he good?

eire4 · 20-12-2013 11:40PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Well from the players' point of view, it's a pretty big decision to make.
they need time to think about it and maybe want to look at other offers available. That's football, it's just a job for them.

The contract runs until the end of the season, so as long as they are playing well there's no reason to drop them.

The club could say that either they sign by a certain date, or the offer is withdrawn, but doubt they'll do that.

No doubt it is a big decision for the players to make. Personally I hope both sign contract extensions and stay. Ledley would be a massive loss in particular and much harder to replace I think.

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 11:46PM

eire4 wrote: »

No doubt it is a big decision for the players to make. Personally I hope both sign contract extensions and stay. Ledley would be a massive loss in particular and much harder to replace I think.

Nir Biton says hello! :pac:

Hagar the Nice. · 20-12-2013 11:52PM

Lennonist wrote: »

I'd drop both of them immediately and sell them for the highest price possible in January. Might get 2 million for the two of them.

Edit: BTW someone should be strung up - Lawell - if we miss out on Finnbogason 'cos we didn't get the finger out and spend the money we had to sign him last summer. If West Ham are in for him, then it's likely he'll go there.

Any news on this Aran Johannson link, anyone know is he good?

Word is that NL is more interested in Aran than Alf,I'd sign both players.

Dempsey · 21-12-2013 12:00AM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Word is that NL is more interested in Aran than Alf,I'd sign both players.

Signing Finnbogason was always unlikely and he's said as much recently. His next step was always a top league not another feeder league.

I dont know anything about this Aron Jóhannsson but his goal scoring record is average enough tbh.

Eirebear · 21-12-2013 12:43PM

Bit of a boycott today or just weather/christmas related attendance issues?

PauloMN · 21-12-2013 01:03PM

Some quality refereeing there today. :rolleyes:

Eirebear · 21-12-2013 01:04PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Some quality refereeing there today. :rolleyes:

Not really been watching, but that was one hell of a save from ledley's header.

PauloMN · 21-12-2013 01:13PM

Eirebear wrote: »

Not really been watching, but that was one hell of a save from ledley's header.

It was a great save. Should really have been a goal there. Only turned on after 30 mins, didn't realise it was an early kick off, but looks like McDonald has kept them in it so far.

PauloMN · 21-12-2013 01:38PM

1-0, Commons. Good goal, McDonald finally beaten. Will like to see the number of attempts in this game.

Antifa161 · 21-12-2013 01:39PM

Should score a few now.

Hearing JCGE over the tannoy there was embarrassing on a few different levels.

Antifa161 · 21-12-2013 01:47PM

Atajic rotting away on the bench and we bring on Samaras instead. Truly inspired Neil!

PauloMN · 21-12-2013 02:08PM

2-0, Forrest in the last second of added time.

Antifa161 · 21-12-2013 02:09PM

Atmosphere was so bad you could hear the coaches talking, although in fairness you get that at full-houses in the EPL :pac:

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-12-2013 09:19PM

Flags and banners banned for St Stephen's day game at St Johnstone. Wtf?

Antifa161 · 21-12-2013 09:37PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Flags and banners banned for St Stephen's day game at St Johnstone. Wtf?

The usual apologists are going to have a hard time squirming to defend that one. The people running our club are quite simply a disgrace.

NIMAN · 21-12-2013 09:55PM

What sort of crowds are Celtic getting at home these days?

Real figures, not one that includes Season ticket holders.

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