Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Hagar the Nice. · 19-12-2013 06:25PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Samaras....Lazio

Who wants to drive the taxi?

Me,but I can't drive.:mad:
One of the laziest guys ever to wear the hoops.

Jelle1880 · 19-12-2013 06:29PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Samaras....Lazio

Who wants to drive the taxi?

Please god no :eek:

Samaras or Klose, hmmm :rolleyes:

Hagar the Nice. · 19-12-2013 06:29PM

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Dempsey · 19-12-2013 06:36PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Please god no :eek:

Samaras or Klose, hmmm :rolleyes:

Your 1st mistake was thinking Samaras is a striker

Hagar the Nice. · 19-12-2013 06:39PM

Cup tie prices v Sheep....£15 and £5 concessions. Well done CFC.

Lennonist · 19-12-2013 07:01PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

So he said, but there were numerous instances of hunger strike by the prisoners on Robben Island, several of them before the Troubles even started.

I can see why the comparisons were/are being made, but I don't think they're correct.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/7929

In 2001 Mandela as Prime Minister invited a delegation from Sinn Fein to South Africa. During that visit a monument was unveiled in honour of the PIRA hunger strikers and hunger strikers in Robben Island. Mandela saw a connection between the prisoners hunger strikes in Robben Island and the H-Block hunger strikes, that is beyond dispute.

Antifa161 · 19-12-2013 07:15PM

Good old Freedom of Information Act!

National Football Policing Unit

9. In their 6 point Action Plan, presented to the Football Summit in March, Rangers FC, Celtic FC and the Scottish football authorities called for the establishment of a national football policing unit in Scotland.

Lennonist · 19-12-2013 07:46PM

RoryMac wrote: »

TBH the past few pages of this thread is exactly the reason all politics should be removed from football.

Jesus wept, it's ridiculous the amount of crap you have to wade through when checking if something football related has happened at Celtic

People say this all the time. It would be fine if politics was removed from football, but it would have to be across the board and politics of every hue would not be allowed at football games. In reality this is impossible, so what they should do is not make a big issue out of it by trying to proscribe certain political views while hypocritically facilitating other forms of political views.

Antifa161 · 19-12-2013 07:51PM

Why is it that the entire world loves to suck-off Barca, even though their fans are extremely political? St Pauli also became a club loved by hipsters all over the UK, none of whom were critical of their politicized support. It only appears to be one club and one brand of politics that people feel must be driven out.

The_Kew_Tour · 19-12-2013 07:53PM

Arent St Pauli and Celtic kinda buddies?

RoisinD · 19-12-2013 07:53PM

Dempsey wrote: »

For all the posturing about politics the GB displayed a huge amount of nativity when it came to playing politics with Celtic and the authorities and when it came to playing politics with the laws that they wanted to demonstrate against. Breaking rules/laws (and hoping nobody notices) to protest other rules/laws is like building a house on quicksand.

As I said earlier, if they wanted to highlight the problems with freedom of speech in the UK, Celtic Park was the wrong forum for that. Doing so whilst vandalising stadiums, looking the other way when others vandalizing their seats, letting of pyrotechnics, looking the other way when others let off pyrotechnics in their section, and in general breaking alot of stadium health & safety regulations directly or indirectly along the way was foolish in the extreme and counter productive in this Fans Against Criminalization campaign. I dont see why any Celtic fan would expect Celtic FC to back such an outfit in any shape or form no matter what atmosphere they bring to stadiums.

I assume you mean naivety rather than the GB performing some sort of dramatic performance based on the birth of Jesus.

Perhaps you would like to elaborate on your claims and tell us how many stadiums the GB have vandalised? That is some claim you are making there. Since when are the GB responsible for policing others, especially when the seats at Motherwell were broken in front of the Celtic stewards and police who for reasons we now understand choose not to take any action at the time. The pyro at Fir Park came from upper tier and not in the GB section. There has been no claim that the GB let off the pyro at Fir Park, even the Daily Record who incidentally seem obsessed with the 'incident' claim it was Celtic fans rather than the GB. Let's face it if they are not slow to blame the GB. The 5 charged are not in the GB another fact that is being ignored. Why would anyone let the truth get in the way of having a go at the GB.

Strange that the media and indeed others have paid very little attention to the actions of Motherwell fans at New Douglas Park where they caused 'extensive damage' 'The section of the ground that housed the “Motherwell Ultras” suffered serious damage to seats as well as fixtures and fittings. The fans also let off smoke bombs'. Yet again the lack of rampaging headlines is noticeable.
The same day (30th Nov)The Rangers fans caused damage to the plastic pitch at Falkirk when they threw a flare. Very little fuss again.
Both these events took place 6 days before the Fir Park incident but yet it is the Celtic one which is getting all the publicity and is constantly being distorted.

Why are questions not being asked of the Celtic stewards and police as to why no action was taken at Fir Park if they were so concerned. As we have seen by their actions only last Sat they are not slow to wade in. Soon, as I stated before the crowd will be clapping in unison and singing Come on the Hoops under the direction of a conductor.

Antifa161 · 19-12-2013 07:58PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Arent St Pauli and Celtic kinda buddies?

Yes but apart from that, they became quite popular in the UK over the past few years.

also, I laughed at this sentence "if they wanted to highlight the problems with freedom of speech in the UK, Celtic Park was the wrong forum for that"

Dempsey · 19-12-2013 09:40PM

RoryMac wrote: »

TBH the past few pages of this thread is exactly the reason all politics should be removed from football.

Jesus wept, it's ridiculous the amount of crap you have to wade through when checking if something football related has happened at Celtic

Couldnt agree more

RoisinD wrote: »

I assume you mean naivety rather than the GB performing some sort of dramatic performance based on the birth of Jesus.

Perhaps you would like to elaborate on your claims and tell us how many stadiums the GB have vandalised? That is some claim you are making there. Since when are the GB responsible for policing others, especially when the seats at Motherwell were broken in front of the Celtic stewards and police who for reasons we now understand choose not to take any action at the time. The pyro at Fir Park came from upper tier and not in the GB section. There has been no claim that the GB let off the pyro at Fir Park, even the Daily Record who incidentally seem obsessed with the 'incident' claim it was Celtic fans rather than the GB. Let's face it if they are not slow to blame the GB. The 5 charged are not in the GB another fact that is being ignored. Why would anyone let the truth get in the way of having a go at the GB.

Strange that the media and indeed others have paid very little attention to the actions of Motherwell fans at New Douglas Park where they caused 'extensive damage' 'The section of the ground that housed the “Motherwell Ultras” suffered serious damage to seats as well as fixtures and fittings. The fans also let off smoke bombs'. Yet again the lack of rampaging headlines is noticeable.
The same day (30th Nov)The Rangers fans caused damage to the plastic pitch at Falkirk when they threw a flare. Very little fuss again.
Both these events took place 6 days before the Fir Park incident but yet it is the Celtic one which is getting all the publicity and is constantly being distorted.

Why are questions not being asked of the Celtic stewards and police as to why no action was taken at Fir Park if they were so concerned. As we have seen by their actions only last Sat they are not slow to wade in. Soon, as I stated before the crowd will be clapping in unison and singing Come on the Hoops under the direction of a conductor.

Yes, naivety. Stupid spell checker!:pac:

Who cares about the media focus and where it is. The issues within our support dont change because the media are focussing on it or ignoring it.

Your rhetoric seems to be all about excusing the GB of any wrongdoing, ever, despite evidence to the contrary. Are you asking how many seat have the GB broken or how many times have the GB being caught and punished for breaking seats? You and I both know it 2 different answers. They do have form for vandalism because how many seats have been replaced in section 111 after various games? All those times it was someone else I suppose :rolleyes:

blahfckingblah · 19-12-2013 10:02PM

Lennonist wrote: »

People say this all the time. It would be fine if politics was removed from football, but it would have to be across the board and politics of every hue would not be allowed at football games. In reality this is impossible, so what they should do is not make a big issue out of it by trying to proscribe certain political views while hypocritically facilitating other forms of political views.

probably the most valid point made here in a few days... aside from the revelation that samaras isnt a footballer striker

Antifa161 · 19-12-2013 10:07PM

Why weren't the people who broke seats at Rugby Park when we won the league arrested? Or the much-celebrated Dortmund fans who did this at the Emirates?

Dempsey · 19-12-2013 10:07PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

probably the most valid point made here in a few days... aside from the revelation that samaras isnt a footballer striker

Left wing is his best position imo, strikers dont play left wing :P

Antifa161 · 19-12-2013 10:13PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Left wing is his best position imo, strikers dont play left wing :P

Don't let Lawwell hear he likes the left wing, he'll get banned from Parkhead.

blahfckingblah · 19-12-2013 10:17PM

yes i know where he plays im just taking the piss out of him.. a quick look at the Rangers thread goes a long way to explaining the activity on here hahah

Dempsey · 19-12-2013 10:19PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Don't let Lawwell hear he likes the left wing, he'll get banned from Parkhead.

The club are currently denying that they offered him a pay cut! :pac:

Richard Hillman · 19-12-2013 10:19PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Why is it that the entire world loves to suck-off Barca, even though their fans are extremely political? St Pauli also became a club loved by hipsters all over the UK, none of whom were critical of their politicized support. It only appears to be one club and one brand of politics that people feel must be driven out.

St Pauli have a vile fanbase but at least they are consistent. Celtic are the most right wing, left wingers out there.

Antifa161 · 19-12-2013 10:22PM

I wasn't sure who this guy is so I had a quick look, all i can say is "lol"

RoisinD · 19-12-2013 10:42PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Couldnt agree more

Yes, naivety. Stupid spell checker!:pac:

Who cares about the media focus and where it is. The issues within our support dont change because the media are focussing on it or ignoring it.

Your rhetoric seems to be all about excusing the GB of any wrongdoing, ever, despite evidence to the contrary. Are you asking how many seat have the GB broken or how many times have the GB being caught and punished for breaking seats? You and I both know it 2 different answers. They do have form for vandalism because how many seats have been replaced in section 111 after various games? All those times it was someone else I suppose :rolleyes:

I have no problem condemning anyone who deliberately carries out any act of vandalism be it members of the GB or anyone else. I would never excuse it. Hope that is clear enough.
What concerns me are the wild allegations made against the GB. That includes what you claimed ' Doing so whilst vandalising stadiums ' I have already asked you to tell us how many stadiums the GB have vandalised and maybe you could name them as well. As I said it is a serious allegation to make and should really be backed up with facts and if the proof is there I am willing to accept it. Otherwise it is similar to the media witch hunt, which in the main I am not too bothered about but is indicative of lazy journalism to fill pages and also maybe as has been indicated over the past few days part of a wider agenda of some including Peter Lawell at Celtic.

I previously surmised that you must travel to Glasgow to games regularly as I did. If so you will be well aware that seats are broken all over the stadium particularly at big games. I have witnessed it myself on many occasions as I am sure have others on here who go to games. Once again I am not excusing any deliberate breaking of seats be it in 111 or elsewhere. Seems to be that blaming the GB for everything is fashionable with some and suits their agenda. I am not prepared to condemn and criminalise anyone without solid proof.

I have witnessed the behaviour of stewards at CP deteriorate over the past few years long before the GB came in to existence. That and the increased powers that police have been granted by Celtic inside the ground have concerned me for some time. However the situation now has reached such a serious level such as last Sat (no GB in 111 or any other section)and I am glad to see and read that there are many who share my view. I am and have been a fan of Celtic FC for too many years to change now. I will never be the customer that Lawell wants me to be.

blahfckingblah · 19-12-2013 10:42PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

St Pauli have a vile fanbase but at least they are consistent. Celtic are the most right wing, left wingers out there.

you keep believing that chief

Dempsey · 19-12-2013 11:20PM

RoisinD wrote: »

I have no problem condemning anyone who deliberately carries out any act of vandalism be it members of the GB or anyone else. I would never excuse it. Hope that is clear enough.
What concerns me are the wild allegations made against the GB. That includes what you claimed ' Doing so whilst vandalising stadiums ' I have already asked you to tell us how many stadiums the GB have vandalised and maybe you could name them as well. As I said it is a serious allegation to make and should really be backed up with facts and if the proof is there I am willing to accept it. Otherwise it is similar to the media witch hunt, which in the main I am not too bothered about but is indicative of lazy journalism to fill pages and also maybe as has been indicated over the past few days part of a wider agenda of some including Peter Lawell at Celtic.

I previously surmised that you must travel to Glasgow to games regularly as I did. If so you will be well aware that seats are broken all over the stadium particularly at big games. I have witnessed it myself on many occasions as I am sure have others on here who go to games. Once again I am not excusing any deliberate breaking of seats be it in 111 or elsewhere. Seems to be that blaming the GB for everything is fashionable with some and suits their agenda. I am not prepared to condemn and criminalise anyone without solid proof.

I have witnessed the behaviour of stewards at CP deteriorate over the past few years long before the GB came in to existence. That and the increased powers that police have been granted by Celtic inside the ground have concerned me for some time. However the situation now has reached such a serious level such as last Sat (no GB in 111 or any other section)and I am glad to see and read that there are many who share my view. I am and have been a fan of Celtic FC for too many years to change now. I will never be the customer that Lawell wants me to be.

Still managed to avoid answering my questions and ignored their form for breaking seats in section 111 at several matches. Are you still convincing yourself that the GB had nothing to do with Fir Park. It was someone else that put GB stickers on the broken seats. It wasnt the GB just supporters of the GB that buy merchandise, right? I'd say anything short of police reports & CCTV footage wont convince you since you believe the media are in on this "conspiracy".

You and indeed the GB say seats get broken all the time yet we are suppose to accept the argument that seats get broken all the time in various stadiums at away games but just never by any of their members! Given their unwillingness to take responsibility for anything they do, I'll call bullshít.

I've been to CP plenty of times, didnt notice people breaking seats tbh.

What sort of customer are you looking to be?

Antifa161 · 19-12-2013 11:55PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Still managed to avoid answering my questions and ignored their form for breaking seats in section 111 at several matches. Are you still convincing yourself that the GB had nothing to do with Fir Park. It was someone else that put GB stickers on the broken seats. It wasnt the GB just supporters of the GB that buy merchandise, right?

I think I have some GB stickers somewhere, along with a Livorno ultras scarf as well I think. Doesn't mean I'm in these groups. If you go on the GB forum you'll see there's a thread made a week prior to the match sorting out tickets for the section. As in, anybody was allowed to get a ticket to be in the GB section, not just members.

Speaking of avoiding questions, do you have anything to say about my earlier question re. Rugby Park and the Emirates?

I'd say anything short of police reports & CCTV footage wont convince you since you believe the media are in on this "conspiracy"

Police reports and CCTV footage were already used to identify the 5 fans arrested. They are not in the GB. It seems like it's you who is ignoring the facts there.

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 12:33AM

Antifa161 wrote: »

I think I have some GB stickers somewhere, along with a Livorno ultras scarf as well I think. Doesn't mean I'm in these groups. If you go on the GB forum you'll see there's a thread made a week prior to the match sorting out tickets for the section. As in, anybody was allowed to get a ticket to be in the GB section, not just members.

Speaking of avoiding questions, do you have anything to say about my earlier question re. Rugby Park and the Emirates?

Police reports and CCTV footage were already used to identify the 5 fans arrested. They are not in the GB. It seems like it's you who is ignoring the facts there.

I'm sure plenty of people have those stickers, but they were put on alot of the broken seats though. Graffiti on them with messages for Lawwell. Why am I saying this when you know this already....

I dunno why people werent arrested for Rugby park. I dont think we had a problem with vandalism that season so maybe the club were happy to take the hit. Maybe the club are now thinking that they dont have to take the hit for these sort of fans. Maybe the technology is available to catch culprits etc. The action taken by the club then doesnt mean they've set a precedent that they have to to follow for all times, does it?

As for the Emirates, how does what happened there have any meaningful impact on the issues in Scottish Football and particularly with Celtic fans?

This season, the bullseye on the GB has been growing and growing and they've done nothing to help themselves.

As for the Fir Park investigation, wasnt there 2 more recently and about 20+ to be made in the coming days?

Antifa161 · 20-12-2013 12:55AM

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm sure plenty of people have those stickers, but they were put on alot of the broken seats though. Graffiti on them with messages for Lawwell.

None of this implicates the GB. Those stickers are sold/handed out at games, a lot of non-members joined the section for that game so it makes sense that they would have bought merch, and what else are you going to do with a pocket full of stickers at an away game? I'm not saying none of them were involved, I actually know some who were (I'll decline your invitation to rat on them though), but going on as if it's ridiculous to suggest it was largely non-members is plain ignorant.

I dunno why people werent arrested for Rugby park. I dont think we had a problem with vandalism that season so meaybe the club were happy to take the hit. Maybe the club are now thinking that they dont have to take the hit for these sort of fans. Maybe the technology is available to catch culprits etc. The action taken by the club then doesnt mean they've set a precedent that they have to to follow for all times, does it?

As for the Emirates, how does what happened there have any meaningful impact on the issues in Scottish Football and particularly with Celtic fans?

I'm asking why there was no outrage over either incident. No media campaigns to vilify the fans involved etc. In fact Dortmund fans are widely regarded as being some of the best in Europe and a great example of how to support a team.

This season, the bullseye on the GB has been growing and growing and they've done nothing to help themselves.

They shouldn't have to do anything to help themselves. The club has clearly been working toward shutting them down for a long, long time now. Funnily enough it all started after the "Shame Game"... the one where 3 Rangers players were sent off a significant portion of their fans arrested - many more than there were in the Celtic end despite us having about 4x as many fans at the game. But just like every other time they end up in trouble, the media refer to it as an "Old Firm problem".

Eirebear · 20-12-2013 01:01AM

Am I seeing the sellik fans turn on their St Pauli pals?

This'll be interesting...

Antifa161 · 20-12-2013 01:07AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Am I seeing the sellik fans turn on their St Pauli pals?

This'll be interesting...

I don't think that Richard Hillman zoomer is a Celtic fan...

Dempsey · 20-12-2013 01:12AM

Antifa161 wrote: »

None of this implicates the GB. Those stickers are sold/handed out at games, a lot of non-members joined the section for that game so it makes sense that they would have bought merch, and what else are you going to do with a pocket full of stickers at an away game? I'm not saying none of them were involved, I actually know some who were (I'll decline your invitation to rat on them though), but going on as if it's ridiculous to suggest it was largely non-members is plain ignorant.

I'm asking why there was no outrage over either incident. No media campaigns to vilify the fans involved etc. In fact Dortmund fans are widely regarded as being some of the best in Europe and a great example of how to support a team.

They shouldn't have to do anything to help themselves. The club has clearly been working toward shutting them down for a long, long time now. Funnily enough it all started after the "Shame Game"... the one where 3 Rangers players were sent off a significant portion of their fans arrested - many more than there were in the Celtic end despite us having about 4x as many fans at the game. But just like every other time they end up in trouble, the media refer to it as an "Old Firm problem".

If I suggested anything it was ridiculous to think that the GB had no involvement, nothing else. If you know individuals, you can assume that stewards, police and the club know these individuals too or eventually will in a worse case scenario.

I do agree about the Shame Game and I've said as much when it comes to freedom of speech in the UK. That night was used as an excuse to erode it further.

When I say help themselves, I mean dont do anything the police,stewards, clubs SPFL, UEFA etc can use against them. 1st rule of politics is be like teflon, make sure nothing sticks! Naive to think you can break rules whilst protesting other ones or rub people up the wrong way and have nothing come back at you imo.

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