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Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,231 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    If anyone has the stomach for it, here's the judges sentencing remarks on the trial

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf

    Those saying that 30 years seems harsh may have their minds changed upon reading it.
    Watkins said “if u belong to me so does ur baby”

    You responded “understandable… a mother - daughter slave duo worshipping
    you”.

    Watkins said “that’s all she will know... a life of filth”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    If anyone has the stomach for it, here's the judges sentencing remarks on the trial

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf

    Those saying that 30 years seems harsh may have their minds changed upon reading it.

    Thats absolutely horrifying to be quite honest. I wouldnt recommend anyone to read it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    Thats absolutely horrifying to be quite honest. I wouldnt recommend anyone to read it.

    Yeah that's a lot more detailed than I expected tbh, I thought it would be the judges comments on the offences, not an actual outline of the specific acts. Very graphic. Couldn't read it all but wish I hadn't read the small amount I did.

    Maybe edit the post to warn people, I know you say if you can stomach it but I personally didn't expect specific details of the abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,948 ✭✭✭✭Neyite



    What signal does it send out to nonces, paedophiles and the like? It seems to send out the message you can sexually assault adults and expect 6-10 years but go near a baby and you're goosed.

    Hardly the message we want here. If it's gonna be 35 years for this then i'm going to be looking in earnest for the next adult rape offender in the same area to be getting 35.

    Once we start differentiating solely based on the age of the victim it's a slippery slope. Of course, the babies had no say in what happened to them. But that's effectively the same with rape of any age. It's a crime against your will.

    This sentence will be appealed (likely) and altered (almost certainly) downwards.

    Tougher sentences for all. Full stop.

    I think the reason for harsher sentences is that a rape of a child younger than four is highly likely to result in the child dying from the assault due to extensive internal injuries. Furthermore, should the poor child survive an attack, they would likely have lifelong internal damage to bowel, internal organs, and in the case of a little girl, almost certainly infertility. :(

    Thats not even going into what psychological damage.

    So I personally dont see it as anything other than attempted murder to be honest. I think rape at any age destroys your quality of life, and dont feel that most sentences I see reflect that. Harsher sentences overall would be welcomed by me.
    i'm no expert but i would imagine a 6 month old baby wont consciously remember diddly squat of the experience - whereas an adult could never forget their episode.

    Anyway it's not a competition between which is worse. All i'm saying is i don't consciously remember a thing from under the age of 2 and hopefully the babies won't either.

    I have several distinct memories of a holiday I had with my granny when I was 14 months. I didnt know how old I was on that holiday when I was younger but came across photos with the date on the back. Thankfully they were memories of getting icecream and tickles and being read stories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    If anyone has the stomach for it, here's the judges sentencing remarks on the trial

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf

    Those saying that 30 years seems harsh may have their minds changed upon reading it.

    I just read that its absolutely shocking. The most shocking part for me is the mothers behaviour. He is a despicable sexual predator that deserves to be shot imo. The mothers actions are so shocking i just can hardly believe it.

    I really hope the 3 of them have a terrible time in prison.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Where can i find the names of these 2 women i am going to name them on twitter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    woodoo wrote: »
    Where can i find the names of these 2 women i am going to name them on twitter.

    They havent been named for legal reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    woodoo wrote: »
    Where can i find the names of these 2 women i am going to name them on twitter.

    That will only defame the children as well. Their names and tumblr accounts are all over the internet anyway. Typical social-media obsessed vapid airheads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    woodoo wrote: »
    Where can i find the names of these 2 women i am going to name them on twitter.

    They've already been named all over twitter. Including by peaches geldof who got a severe telling off for it. The reason their identities aren't released officially is to protect the children not them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,231 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    woodoo wrote: »
    Where can i find the names of these 2 women i am going to name them on twitter.

    You can't be serious.. :p

    The reason they haven't been named is to protect the identities of their victims and innocent family members.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    snausages wrote: »
    That will only defame the children as well. Their names and tumblr accounts are all over the internet anyway. Typical social-media obsessed vapid airheads.

    Yeah the blood was rushing to my head. I read a bit more on twitter. The children don't deserve to be publicised. I've changed my mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    woodoo wrote: »
    Yeah the blood was rushing to my head. I read a bit more on twitter. The children don't deserve to be publicised. I've changed my mind.

    Its just as well not to get involved with those types of things on Twitter, especially after the trouble people got into for tweeting the names of alleged suspects in the Jimmy Savile investigation. The authorities are starting to take action against people on Twitter which is probably for the best, in fairness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭anamara86


    Christ, that is absolutely horrific. I didn't think they would have released that much information. It is truly sickening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    I'm usually strongly against the death penalty, but I hope he gets shanked in prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    woodoo wrote: »
    Where can i find the names of these 2 women i am going to name them on twitter.

    MOD

    Any posting of the names, hinting of names or requests will result in bans.

    Boards.ie has a zero tolerance policy on this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭loubian


    If anyone has the stomach for it, here's the judges sentencing remarks on the trial

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf

    Those saying that 30 years seems harsh may have their minds changed upon reading it.

    I can't believe I read this.

    I can't believe there are people are capable of this.

    What sick disgusting vile individuals they are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    The reason for his sentence is easily to see for anyone, who he is, a famous rock star. I'd say it will be reduced, if he doesn't top himself he might have some form of a life in a number of years.

    After reading all the stuff about this the guy sounds completely insane, bonkers, can only imagine the amount of mental problems he has!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 BobTheNihilist


    I hope he spends most of his jail time either having the **** kicked out of him or being held down and raped by some 20 stone gang member. It's serve the filth right. But it still wouldnt be punishment enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    how anyone can deem the sentence harsh , is quite shocking - I believe this is the most horrible and evil crimes I have read about/encounterd - ever - abusing babies, sick sick evil man , may he rot for the rest of his miserable horrible life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    thebaz wrote: »
    how anyone can deem the sentence harsh , is quite shocking - I believe this is the most horrible and evil crimes I have read about/encounterd - ever - abusing babies, sick sick evil man , may he rot for the rest of his miserable horrible life.
    Well then you have not really read anything around the area of crime.

    It's harsh in that if you look at other similar cases they have received less. I do believe even people who have killed children would not serve 30 years.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    If anyone has the stomach for it, here's the judges sentencing remarks on the trial

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf

    Those saying that 30 years seems harsh may have their minds changed upon reading it.

    I now have new understanding to the phrase "Ignorance is Bliss"
    Really wish I did not read that..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Holsten wrote: »
    The reason for his sentence is easily to see for anyone, who he is, a famous rock star. I'd say it will be reduced, if he doesn't top himself he might have some form of a life in a number of years.

    After reading all the stuff about this the guy sounds completely insane, bonkers, can only imagine the amount of mental problems he has!

    I guess there's a question surrounding whether he can or cannot be helped, if rehabilitation is even a possibility for a person like this. He's shown no remorse thus far, and he does genuinely sound like a serious threat to children and women (bearing in mind that there is suspicion that there are more victims in other countries, so who knows what's going to come out?).

    I'd have doubts about him surviving prison, to be honest. There's a whole other society in prisons, with their own set of rules. Paedophiles are the bottom of the barrel. If anything happens, and other prisoners get anywhere near him, he'll get done, especially with all the publicity surrounding this. They'll all know exactly who he is before he sets foot in the place. That's if he doesn't do himself in first. Remember yer man that killed the two little girls in England there about 10 years ago? Think he got stabbed and scalded in prison shortly after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Holsten wrote: »
    Well then you have not really read anything around the area of crime.

    It's harsh in that if you look at other similar cases they have received less. I do believe even people who have killed children would not serve 30 years.

    I've read eneogh - raping , attempting to rape a baby , I repeat a 30 year sentence is lenient - this piece of filth should be sentenced to life , and never ever released - attempting to intoxicate and rape babies is beyond human


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭shano1888


    Holsten wrote: »
    Well then you have not really read anything around the area of crime.

    It's harsh in that if you look at other similar cases they have received less. I do believe even people who have killed children would not serve 30 years.

    Links to similar cases please? Assume these similar cases show similar levels of premeditation?? I have not read anything around the area of crime so I assume you can enlighten me?

    Its not harsh. Hope they are maimed and abused each and every day of their sentences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Stormington


    I now have new understanding to the phrase "Ignorance is Bliss"
    Really wish I did not read that..
    One of the first cases you read in criminal law is R v Brown (it was for my class anyway): this judgement puts that into the shade.

    That Watkins fella will be dead before the end of next year, which to be honest, is too good for him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭Vito Corleone


    I hope he spends most of his jail time either having the **** kicked out of him or being held down and raped by some 20 stone gang member. It's serve the filth right. But it still wouldnt be punishment enough.

    Wow. What a perverse fantasy to have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    loubian wrote: »
    I can't believe I read this.

    I can't believe there are people are capable of this.

    What sick disgusting vile individuals they are
    thats the most upsetting thing Ive ever read, had to close it when it described the mother and infant,
    no words..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    I'm fairly sure this FB Page about "Ian Watkis is Innocent" was just set up as a horrible trolling excercise (last post kinda gives it away) but still Disturbing all the same


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭shantolog


    That is truly horrendous reading to be honest, I wouldn't recommend reading that judgement, will be very upset by graphic descriptions of baby rape...I know I was :(

    Something the judge said about the two " mothers " annoyed me, its below :
    "B
    You are aged 21. You have one previous conviction for an offence of fraud for
    which you received a suspended sentence. Apart from that you are of good
    character...
    P
    You are aged 25 now and are of previous good character...
    21. You B and you P will hopefully mature and on your eventual release will steer
    clear of the corrupting influence of the likes of your Watkins"

    These two pedophile animals raped their own children, and wanted to destroy their child for their sick needs, and that scum Watkins, and the judge is talking to them like they happened to fall in with the crowd who smokes at school, as if a bit of maturity is what they need to curb their sick minds, as if they wern't major facilitators of what happened to their children.

    That comment by the judge boggled my mind,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭kingtubby


    That document darkened my outlook on humanity and I imagine that anyone who read it had a similar experience


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