Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

wonderfullife · 18-12-2013 04:40PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

There was more than one instance and more than one victim. Consecutive sentencing means it's not that difficult to reach 30 years.

"He also admitted conspiring to rape a child, three counts of sexual assault involving children, seven involving taking, making or possessing indecent images of children and one of possessing an extreme pornographic image involving a sex act on an animal."

But 14 and 17 years for the mothers ,correct me if i am wrong but they offended against one victim each? Their own child?

PropJoe10 · 18-12-2013 04:40PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

This will be an unpopular opinion but those sentences are pretty much laughable.

In the sense they are too harsh.

They are grossly disproprtionate to the crimes under the application of the law.

Whilst the crimes are abhorrent in nature, to my mind they are no less abhorrent than adult rape. Rape is rape.

What signal does it send out to nonces, paedophiles and the like? It seems to send out the message you can sexually assault adults and expect 6-10 years but go near a baby and you're goosed.

Hardly the message we want here. If it's gonna be 35 years for this then i'm going to be looking in earnest for the next adult rape offender in the same area to be getting 35.

Once we start differentiating solely based on the age of the victim it's a slippery slope. Of course, the babies had no say in what happened to them. But that's effectively the same with rape of any age. It's a crime against your will.

This sentence will be appealed (likely) and altered (almost certainly) downwards.

Tougher sentences for all. Full stop.

I think its exactly the message that we want going forward for sex crimes. Adult or child abuse is equally serious, I hope we now see a toughening of sentences across the board.

krudler · 18-12-2013 04:40PM

seanin4711 wrote: »

You mean they knew nothing about Watkins?
Surely had some suspicion he was nuts.

Paedophiles tend not to go around acting like paedophiles in front of other adults though. did the band know? doubtful, not impossible they didn't but it's unlikely.

Irish Guitarist · 18-12-2013 04:40PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Gotta feel terrible for the other band members. Everything they've spent years working for has been forever tarnished because of one depraved individual.

I don't hold the others responsible but Ian Watkins voice is really at the forefront of the music, making it hard to listen to.

I think most of the other band members are still making music. They'll most likely never have the same level of success as before, if any, though.

Amirani · 18-12-2013 04:44PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

But 14 and 17 years for the mothers ,correct me if i am wrong but they offended against one victim each? Their own child?

My initial impression was they may have been slightly high compared to other incidents and the fact that there was neo-natal depression and significant pressure from Watkins. That said, if they make genuine efforts towards rehabilitation in prison, they should be out in closer to 10 years.

Rekop dog · 18-12-2013 04:46PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

This will be an unpopular opinion but those sentences are pretty much laughable.

In the sense they are too harsh.

They are grossly disproprtionate to the crimes under the application of the law.

Whilst the crimes are abhorrent in nature, to my mind they are no less abhorrent than adult rape. Rape is rape.

What signal does it send out to nonces, paedophiles and the like? It seems to send out the message you can sexually assault adults and expect 6-10 years but go near a baby and you're goosed.

Hardly the message we want here. If it's gonna be 35 years for this then i'm going to be looking in earnest for the next adult rape offender in the same area to be getting 35.

Once we start differentiating solely based on the age of the victim it's a slippery slope. Of course, the babies had no say in what happened to them. But that's effectively the same with rape of any age. It's a crime against your will.

This sentence will be appealed (likely) and altered (almost certainly) downwards.

Tougher sentences for all. Full stop.

For me it's a whole lot worth, both hideous obviously but think the chances of an adult having any semblance of a normal life after rape would be a lot higher than a child ever being rehabilitated fully. Think an ordeal like that as a child would properly screw up most people for life.

Duggy747 · 18-12-2013 04:49PM

Also, there are possibly still victims from him out there as the investigation is still ongoing.

supersean1999 · 18-12-2013 04:49PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

You're either trying to be overly dramatic or else you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

So you Think he Would of got 35 years

wonderfullife · 18-12-2013 04:51PM

Rekop dog wrote: »

For me it's a whole lot worth, both hideous obviously but think the chances of an adult having any semblance of a normal life after rape would be a lot higher than a child ever being rehabilitated fully. Think an ordeal like that as a child would properly screw up most people for life.

i'm no expert but i would imagine a 6 month old baby wont consciously remember diddly squat of the experience - whereas an adult could never forget their episode.

Anyway it's not a competition between which is worse. All i'm saying is i don't consciously remember a thing from under the age of 2 and hopefully the babies won't either.

Amirani · 18-12-2013 04:55PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

So you Think he Would of got 35 years

I didn't make any suggestion as to how long he would have have been sentenced for in Ireland. You however claimed he'd be out in 6 years, which is either sensationalist or ignorant.

supersean1999 · 18-12-2013 05:01PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

I didn't make any suggestion as to how long he would have have been sentenced for in Ireland. You however claimed he'd be out in 6 years, which is either sensationalist or ignorant.

No Its. Neither or The above Its my opinion. Not à hope he Would get 35 yrs. Obviously The only way to know Would be The day he Would be released. Our country imo is very soft in The sentences of perverts and rapists.

supersean1999 · 18-12-2013 05:02PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

I didn't make any suggestion as to how long he would have have been sentenced for in Ireland. You however claimed he'd be out in 6 years, which is either sensationalist or ignorant.

I Think We both agree he should never be released.

Clandestine · 18-12-2013 05:06PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja was written by the band as a whole, Watkins provided the lyrics and the rest of the band composed the song. It's probably their most famous song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6FyvK4DO6U

Dammit this song is pretty good.

Also yeah, the man is finished. If I was in his position I'd probably slit my wrists because I honestly couldn't deal with such a long sentence. Then again, he may be going to a fancy private prison so life may not be so bad, who knows.

Clandestine · 18-12-2013 05:09PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

i'm no expert but i would imagine a 6 month old baby wont consciously remember diddly squat of the experience - whereas an adult could never forget their episode.

Most mental development occurs in the early stages of life. A traumatic experience like that could cause permanent damage to a persons brain structure, leading to development of severe mental disorders

wonderfullife · 18-12-2013 05:09PM

He'd have got at least 20-25 years in Ireland. No doubt.

The Irish judiciary may get a bad rep in some quarters but they are effectively the same as any judiciary in the world in the sense that high profile, abhorrent crimes are usually given full whack.

The problem here will be precedent. I'd be fairly confident he could take that sentence to the appeal courts and get it knocked down some years.

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-12-2013 05:12PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

He'd have got at least 20-25 years in Ireland. No doubt.

The Irish judiciary may get a bad rep in some quarters but they are effectively the same as any judiciary in the world in the sense that high profile, abhorrent crimes are usually given full whack.

The problem here will be precedent. I'd be fairly confident he could take that sentence to the appeal courts and get it knocked down some years.

Depends on what Judge

some of them over here hand out very light sentences for sexual offences

we wonder why

I am pie · 18-12-2013 05:13PM

Your childhood experiences shape your personality to an extremely large extent. You may not remember it, but certain images, events, smells and experiences are completely built into your subconscious which defines your personality.

PS...Excellent job by the courts. Each and every one of them got what they deserved. I hope their time in prison is unbearably hideous.

Mental Mickey · 18-12-2013 05:31PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

i'm no expert but i would imagine a 6 month old baby wont consciously remember diddly squat of the experience - whereas an adult could never forget their episode.

Anyway it's not a competition between which is worse. All i'm saying is i don't consciously remember a thing from under the age of 2 and hopefully the babies won't either.

I hope the f%@Ker's sentence gets increased!?

Clandestine · 18-12-2013 05:33PM

The sentencing remarks were posted online, and I mean damn... this is some seriously disturbing stuff, very twisted material. Those two women got off way too easily, and so did he.

Daqster · 18-12-2013 05:34PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd be fairly confident he could take that sentence to the appeal courts and get it knocked down some years.

I agree and I also agree with what you said before, that in the context of other sentences, this one is almost laughable.

Loo at that cunt Barry McCarney for example, who fractured 15 month old Millie Martin's ribs 21 times, punched her genitals, smacked her head off floors multiple times, all of which lead to her death and he only got 25 years.

Or even the guy who battered 23 month old Roxie Archer to death was only given a 18 year minimum sentence this year.

The above two cases were murders of children and so this is going to appeal without doubt and I just hope that the judge didn't totally screw this up and leave something there for the defense which could see them asking for a mistrial.

ceadaoin. · 18-12-2013 06:18PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

i'm no expert but i would imagine a 6 month old baby wont consciously remember diddly squat of the experience - whereas an adult could never forget their episode.

Anyway it's not a competition between which is worse. All i'm saying is i don't consciously remember a thing from under the age of 2 and hopefully the babies won't either.

Scientists have discovered that early childhood trauma changes brain development which can cause issues in adulthood. So even if the victims don't consciously remember, it's likely they will have some lasting effects. Hopefully they will get the care they need to deal with anything like this if or when it comes up.

Da Shins Kelly · 18-12-2013 07:06PM

Apparently the investigation into all this has extended across Europe and the US under the suspicion that there are more victims.

Rekop dog · 18-12-2013 07:14PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

i'm no expert but i would imagine a 6 month old baby wont consciously remember diddly squat of the experience - whereas an adult could never forget their episode.

Anyway it's not a competition between which is worse. All i'm saying is i don't consciously remember a thing from under the age of 2 and hopefully the babies won't either.

Was just talking about children in general not those under 2 as you were in saying that rapists should get the same length prison sentence regardless of age of victim. I'd imagine cases involving <2 year olds are quite rare and whilst I agree it wouldn't have as bad a mental affect on a child that age its such a beyond ****ed up offence that it still deserves a longer sentence than one involving an adult imo.

Nobody is saying it's a competition but when you question the difference between the length of sentences you can't expect it to not be debated. The sheer degree of trauma such an incident can have on a childs life for me justifies the difference.

18-12-2013 07:18PM

I wonder if the harsher than normal sentencing may have something to do with the whole Jimmy Saville inquiry. With so many of those involved in Operation Yewtree being dead, the courts may be going out of their way to be seen to be coming down hard on those caught now. Watkins deserves every day of his sentence and really should never be allowed see the light of day again. I wonder though just how far his reach extended and how many other cases of abuse are going to come to light.

I've found some of the women who have been selling stories about the whole ordeal to be quite sickening. They said nothing about what he wanted them to do and then when they saw that they could make some easy money they flooded the Daily Mail and it's ilk with stories. It's a shame they weren't just as quick to go to the police at the time.

Mental Mickey · 18-12-2013 07:29PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Apparently the investigation into all this has extended across Europe and the US under the suspicion that there are more victims.

Makes it even worse!

My name is URL · 18-12-2013 07:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've found some of the women who have been selling stories about the whole ordeal to be quite sickening. They said nothing about what he wanted them to do and then when they saw that they could make some easy money they flooded the Daily Mail and it's ilk with stories. It's a shame they weren't just as quick to go to the police at the time.

The promise of money is a powerful motivation for many people.

Aside from that, there's good reasons that a victim might not elect to make a complaint against someone unless they are already known to be abusers. The stress it would cause for them and their families etc could be a worse prospect than living with the secret.

What's worse than people 'selling' their stories is the fact that the media are prepared to pay for them without much thought, and that the public want to gulp it all up like nectar.

JP Liz V1 · 18-12-2013 07:58PM

super_furry wrote: »

Honestly think that in these cases that chemical castration should be an option for the judge.

That is even too good for him

Call Me Jimmy · 18-12-2013 08:11PM

Mechanical castration then?!

thecatspjs · 18-12-2013 08:15PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Mechanical castration then?!

Two rocks and no spoon to bite on

Sin City · 18-12-2013 08:54PM

This video was the last I saw of them..............listen to the seedy bastard in the intro and the ending (not to mention the kids shown through out the video)

Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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