I am so annoyed at St. Vincent de Paul

TheDriver · 17-12-2013 08:23PM #1

So I have always had great respect for SVP and all the great work they do. Anyways, a friends sister is a single Mum, mid 20s, rent allowance, mothers allowance, BF living there, has the best of everything, spends more on sky packages in 2 months than I do in a year.

Shes boasting to us today how she got 80 euro voucher for local supermarket (big chain) with no limitations.
My annoyance is SVP constantly collecting and helping the "poor" so who in their organisation checked and thought it good to give her a free voucher. 90% of the town are worse off than she is at end of the week!

I don't begrudge anyone assistance but it struck me that "someone on the dole"="poor" because there is no other calculation they could have found her needy as she wastes every penny she has on crap and giving her more money doesn't help the situation.

Rant over.

tusnumber000 · 17-12-2013 08:25PM

The grass is not always as green as it appears.

carpejugulum · 17-12-2013 08:26PM

TheDriver wrote: »

So I have always had great respect for SVP and all the great work they do. Anyways, a friends sister is a single Mum, mid 20s, rent allowance, mothers allowance, BF living there

So have you reported her or are just giving out without doing anything useful?

TheDriver · 17-12-2013 08:26PM

tusnumber000 wrote: »

The grass is not always as green as it appears.

I appreciate that but she constantly boasts about things she has bought, newest phones etc. She needs budgeting advice, not a voucher.......

Report her? she is my mates sister so as much as I as annoyed at it, I question more who in SVP decided to give vouchers to people and the criteria they use

frag420 · 17-12-2013 08:27PM

report her then!!

Red Kev · 17-12-2013 08:28PM

I'm more annoyed at a system that seems to let her live in luxury while she's on the dole.

SVP are a private charity, the only thing I'd be annoyed with them about is that the €80 is unlimited, so can be spent on fags & booze as well.

micosoft · 17-12-2013 08:29PM

So how are the SVP supposed to know that? Do ya think that SVP knew all this and took the decision, shur feck it, give her the voucher even if she lives like a millionaire. Ultimately if people want to abuse the good nature of others they will have to live with it on their conscience. Not SVP's fault that your friends sister lied to get the voucher.

Don't think supermarkets issue "poverty" vouchers that you can only spend on stuff you approve of. If this really affects you this much say it to her.

Pumpkinseeds · 17-12-2013 08:29PM

In fairness I think it's the ar*eholes who lie to St Vincent De Paul that's the problem. I know someone who has a 4 bedroom house on the hill, in one of the best areas of town, courtesy of Rent Allowance. She's getting money for 3 kids, along with everything else she can claim, also nice big divorce settlement. She came back from England 10 years ago and hasn't done a days work to support her kids.

She takes 3 holidays a year and drives her kids to school in the morning, collects them at lunch and drives them home, then drives em back after lunch. She also drives to pick them up after school. They live less than a 10 minute walk from school, a secondary school so they're old enough to walk.

She came back from her 3rd holiday last year and still managed to get money from the SVP to pay to fill her oil tank.:mad:

Thomas D · 17-12-2013 08:30PM

You'd be crazy to donate to them. It's bad enough having money taken off my wages every month for wasters without me volunteering more hard earned cash.

Shane-KornSpace · 17-12-2013 08:30PM

my gf's sister, who spends about €80 a month on alcohol, has on a few occassions recieved money from SvP to spend on her bills.
the money was infact spent on more drink.
she is in reciept of childrens allowance, jobseekers, has a council house and gets child maintenance pay from her ex hubby.

Femme_Fatale · 17-12-2013 08:30PM

I'd be more annoyed at the bint for taking advantage, then the SV de P for being well-meaning. If it had refused, she could have played the "Discrimination against single mothers" (which is alive and well in fairness - just look at After Hours) card. The charity was probably in an awkward position.

TheDriver · 17-12-2013 08:31PM

but do SVP take people on their word or is there a criteria? I thought they do some simple check (maybe naively) but taking face value surprises me.

Thomas D · 17-12-2013 08:32PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I'd be more annoyed at the bint for taking advantage, then the S de VP for being well-meaning. If it had refused, she could have played the "Discrimination against single mothers" (which is alive and well in fairness - just look at After Hours) card. The charity was probably in an awkward position.

They have a policy of not asking too many questions which is laudable. The problem with charity is that the types that need it most would be least likely to look for a handout.

anncoates · 17-12-2013 08:32PM

Shane-KornSpace wrote: »

recieved money from SvP to spend on her bills, the money was infact spent on more drink..

Did she spend it on vino?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 17-12-2013 08:33PM

So feckin report her to SVdP! Like you said they are a charitable organisation, they don't have the luxury of inspectors to vet every case, they rely on the likes of you and I to inform them if someone totally undeserving is pulling the wool over their eyes.

While your at it report her to the dole too. Tell them she wastes money on booZe fags and sky subscriptions, they'll review her case and she mightn't be as quick to brag about it next time.

wexie · 17-12-2013 08:33PM

TheDriver wrote: »

but do SVP take people on their word or is there a criteria? I thought they do some simple check (maybe naively) but taking face value surprises me.

What could they do but take people's word? Asks for bank statements? Get a credit report?

Now do the right thing :

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

Howard Juneau · 17-12-2013 08:34PM

TheDriver wrote: »

but do SVP take people on their word or is there a criteria? I thought they do some simple check (maybe naively) but taking face value surprises me.

Checks are carried out, house calls are made & she would have been interviewed, it's not easy to get one over on the interviewers, they've heard it all before believe me.

Son of a gun · 17-12-2013 08:35PM

Why are you annoyed at the St Vincent de Paul for helping someone who claimed they needed it? They're a charity. It's not their job to check she's for real.

tusnumber000 · 17-12-2013 08:36PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

In fairness I think it's the ar*eholes who lie to St Vincent De Paul that's the problem. I know someone who has a 4 bedroom house on the hill, in one of the best areas of town, courtesy of Rent Allowance. She's getting money for 3 kids, along with everything else she can claim, also nice big divorce settlement. She came back from England 10 years ago and hasn't done a days work to support her kids.

She takes 3 holidays a year and drives her kids to school in the morning, collects them at lunch and drives them home, then drives em back after lunch. She also drives to pick them up after school. They live less than a 10 minute walk from school, a secondary school so they're old enough to walk.

She came back from her 3rd holiday last year and still managed to get money from the SVP to pay to fill her oil tank.:mad:

You must live a boring life if you feel the need to spy on this single parent

dxhound2005 · 17-12-2013 08:36PM

CJC999 wrote: »

So feckin report her to SVdP! Like you said they are a charitable organisation, they don't have the luxury of inspectors to vet every case, they rely on the likes of you and I to inform them if someone totally undeserving is pulling the wool over their eyes.

While your at it report her to the dole too. Tell them she wastes money on booZe fags and sky subscriptions, they'll review her case and she mightn't be as quick to brag about it next time.

And it's very easy to do and can be done anonymously.

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

mathepac · 17-12-2013 08:37PM

I'm annoyed that you waste time and space here whinging about SVdeP. This sponger is robbing really needy people of money that could be spent better if the Social & SVdeP had the information you and others refuse to disclose.

"a friends sister is a single Mum" - no she's not, she's the typical social scrounger.

micosoft · 17-12-2013 08:37PM

Son of a gun wrote: »

Why are you annoyed at the St Vincent de Paul for helping someone who claimed they needed it? They're a charity. It's not their job to check she's for real.

They interview and do checks but they are not the revenue and don't want to be either - last thing a desperate person wants is an audit. Fact is that someone will always try to screw any system. Report her to the SVP if you believe a fraud is being commited.

The Backwards Man · 17-12-2013 08:39PM

It's never Christmas until there's a SVP bashing thread.

Merry Christmas everyone.:)

Pumpkinseeds · 17-12-2013 08:40PM

tusnumber000 wrote: »

You must live a boring life if you feel the need to spy on this single parent

I don't spy on her, she used to be a friend until I couldn't stomach her sponging any longer. Get your facts straight, have I touched a nerve or have you nothing better to do than insult me?

tusnumber000 · 17-12-2013 08:42PM

Maybe she is a witch ??

Those who didn’t admit to being a witch and under heavy suspicion were usually induced to confess by way of torture. One method was dunking, in which the accused would be held under water repeatedly until they were successfully broken down. This is also an effective means to brainwash someone into believing a lie, anything to make the inhumanity cease

lazygal · 17-12-2013 08:43PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I don't spy on her, she used to be a friend until I couldn't stomach her sponging any longer. Get your facts straight, have I touched a nerve or have you nothing better to do than insult me?

Wow.

Your thread title should probably be changed to 'So annoyed with social welfare fraud and those who commit it'. I'm not keen on the SvP myself, but if it chooses to hand over donations, that's its business.

wexie · 17-12-2013 08:44PM

lazygal wrote: »

Wow.

Your thread title should probably be changed to 'So annoyed with social welfare fraud and those who commit it'. I'm not keen on the SvP myself, but if it chooses to hand over donations, that's its business.

Can I just take this opportunity to point out that our friend Pumpkinseeds didn't, in fact, post the thread?

Some of yous seem somewhat confused....

TheDriver · 17-12-2013 08:45PM

True but it has made me realise that giving them money may not always end up where we expect it to

wexie · 17-12-2013 08:46PM

TheDriver wrote: »

True but it has made me realise that giving them money may not always end up where we expect it to

But rather than doing something about it? (which you can, with the information you have) You'd prefer to just recommend to people to not give SVP any money....

that's some ****ed up logic there driverman

Pumpkinseeds · 17-12-2013 08:46PM

lazygal wrote: »

Wow.

Your thread title should probably be changed to 'So annoyed with social welfare fraud and those who commit it'. I'm not keen on the SvP myself, but if it chooses to hand over donations, that's its business.

Hey what she's doing is the reality of what's happening in the system. The SVP was established to help those genuinely in need. There are a lot of people who desperately need help but are too embarrassed to ask for it, then you have the likes of scroungers who don't need it but exploit it shamelessly

Pumpkinseeds · 17-12-2013 08:47PM

tusnumber000 wrote: »

Maybe she is a witch ??

Those who didn’t admit to being a witch and under heavy suspicion were usually induced to confess by way of torture. One method was dunking, in which the accused would be held under water repeatedly until they were successfully broken down. This is also an effective means to brainwash someone into believing a lie, anything to make the inhumanity cease

Is that you I?

I am so annoyed at St. Vincent de Paul

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